photographer's rights

TBH I've had about 15 encounters with the police while out taking photo's and everyone of them has ended just fine, they are perfectly reasonable with photographers if you are reasonable with them :thumbs:

But if you feel that this is something that you need fair enough :thumbs:

Matt
MWHCVT
 
hi everyone, i thought i would share this with you all. this sets out the legal rights that we have as photographers written by a legal consultant

http://www.sirimo.co.uk/2009/05/14/uk-photographers-rights-v2/

there is a link in the page which will take you to a downloadable pdf

You have no specific rights as a photographer. You're just a member of the public with a camera, same rights and responsibilities as anyone else.


.. and it's not as if this hasn't been posted 1001 times before..
 
firstly, it isnt only about police its about general rights i.e. taking pictures from a highway to private property and secondly it may have been posted before but i'm sure there are people here who havn't seen previous posts, perhaps you should just read it and let others read it instead of making comments like you know everything
 
do you think that your rights have changed drastically in 2.5 years? i'm so sorry to have tried to help people, i should have left it to all the 'experts' who clearly know the law inside out. don't bother posting any replies.
 
do you think that your rights have changed drastically in 2.5 years? i'm so sorry to have tried to help people, i should have left it to all the 'experts' who clearly know the law inside out. don't bother posting any replies.

Cheers Rog, it's may have been linked before but these questions come up all the time and it's the best single piece of advice I've seen :thumbs:
 
do you think that your rights have changed drastically in 2.5 years? i'm so sorry to have tried to help people, i should have left it to all the 'experts' who clearly know the law inside out. don't bother posting any replies.
Dont take it to heart there are some on here that just like to put you down, personally thankyou for the link. :thumbs:
 
I think it's worth bearing in mind that everybody has rights - both those carrying cameras and those who find cameras pointed at them.

If the paparazzi had behaved professionally and responsibly they would not now find they now have an injunction against them for harassment

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/nov/11/hugh-grant-baby-mother-injunction

Sorry about the double post - I thought the first one had been lost
 
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You have no specific rights as a photographer. You're just a member of the public with a camera, same rights and responsibilities as anyone else.


.. and it's not as if this hasn't been posted 1001 times before..

When the met police issues statement,in the past saying all photographer,should be treated with suspicion,I think it's very good for people to know their rights.

If you don't like theses thread why post on them :shrug:
 
I think a lot of the problems which have hit the press are due to some photographers choosing to ignore or refusing to acknowledge the difference between public and private land.

It's not all the fault of the police and security officers - there are two sides to every story.
 
I think a lot of the problems which have hit the press are due to some photographers choosing to ignore or refusing to acknowledge the difference between public and private land.

It's not all the fault of the police and security officers - there are two sides to every story.

Their is an issues here,when the private want to attract the public on to the private, with the every increasing tec now having cameras build in,theses thing are bound to happened,I think it's the heavy handed way that some security officers handle it, that make it worst :)
 
If you don't like theses thread why post on them :shrug:
Because it's always about rights and never about responsibilities. Photography doesn't need me-ism.
 
rhandley said:
do you think that your rights have changed drastically in 2.5 years? i'm so sorry to have tried to help people, i should have left it to all the 'experts' who clearly know the law inside out. don't bother posting any replies.

Our rights have not changed, but certain pieces of relevant legislation I believe have.

I believe S.44 is no longer valid, however it was replaced with something in a similar guise which provides the police with slightly different powers (and different criteria for invoking them).

I'm on my phone atm, but will try to find the document which included that information.
 
Because it's always about rights and never about responsibilities. Photography doesn't need me-ism.
Thats like saying im allowed to drive on the M4 so i will, even when its 100 miles from my house lol, really there are some people on here that just like to put others down, dont be one of them.
 
Their is an issues here,when the private want to attract the public on to the private, with the every increasing tec now having cameras build in,theses thing are bound to happened,I think it's the heavy handed way that some security officers handle it, that make it worst :)

And that I think is the biggest cause of misunderstanding. When members of the public are granted access to private land that does not mean they are on public land and are allowed to take photographs without permission or having restrictions applied.

Allowing someone on to your land does not make it public land - it is private land and the landowners can impose whatever conditions they like.

Carrying a camera does not override the rights of private landowners to restrict or control images taken on their properties.
 
Because it's always about rights and never about responsibilities. Photography doesn't need me-ism.

responsibilities :)

I think most photographer show that,its just i am fed up with being the new bogey man,as those their are waves of us going around hauting our city & town centres,being :naughty:
 
It's all about using common sense and has been said, 'responsibilities'. If you feel the slightest bit uncomfortable about a particular situation, walk away. I can say in all honesty that I've only had the 'tap on the shoulder' just the once in over 50 years of photography. That 'tap on the shoulder' came in Odessa in 1975, all was amicably resolved and I kept the film ;)
 
Dear god. Not again.

As already stated, as a "photographer" you have no specific rights other than the ones already set out in UK law which applies to everyone.
 
rhandley said:
do you think that your rights have changed drastically in 2.5 years? i'm so sorry to have tried to help people, i should have left it to all the 'experts' who clearly know the law inside out. don't bother posting any replies.

That's a bit ironic, you telling someone not to reply after they've made a valid comment in a thread you created promoting peoples rights!

What about the right of free speech (within forum rules if course, which it was)?

And FYI the reason a lot of people are tired of these "photographers rights" threads is they pop up all the time and cause arguments in a community where we all are all on the same side.
 
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Took a slap last time from the nothing has changed mob, so keeping my opinions to myself as I don't fancy another beating from Jim lol.
 
do you think that your rights have changed drastically in 2.5 years? i'm so sorry to have tried to help people, i should have left it to all the 'experts' who clearly know the law inside out.

Why so belligerent, you have posted out of date info on a subject that pops up with regularity, and you posted as if you were the expert posting definitive info. Other posters just pointed this out. I haven't seen anyone, not even serving or former police officers profess to be experts or to "know the law inside out".

don't bother posting any replies.
That is not how a forum works, you can't pick and choose who answers, nor can you demand other people stop posting because you don't like their opinion.

For anyone who would like some more up to date info, (incl. the repeal of Sec 44 TACT), this link has some decent info.
http://static.photographernotaterrorist.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/pamphlet.pdf
 
If you didn't like what I said that's what the RTM button is for there's no need to get petulant :shake:

I just think that as photographers we should work with not against the police, as I've said above I've had a number of dealings with the police, and none of them have ever been bad or got to the point where my rights have needed to be discussed

It's all a your attitude, as to how police encounters will go ;)

Matt
 
i give up
That would be a pity if you did.

Everyone has rights and responsibilities - whether they are behind or in front of the camera.

There are professional photographers and paparazzi who overstep the mark and behave so badly they get put in jail or have injunctions served on them to prevent harassment.

Lee Cropper - jailed
http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/9371398.Celebrity_photographer_jailed_for_sex_assaults_on_models/

Injunction against paparazzi for harassment
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/nov/11/hugh-grant-baby-mother-injunction

Lifting up a camera does not imply a "right" to take any image - a true professional will know when to take the shot or when to walk away.

The lowest actions of the gutter press are far more likely to bring about a change in the law than a few over zealous security guards in shopping centres.
 
That would be a pity if you did.

Everyone has rights and responsibilities - whether they are behind or in front of the camera.

There are professional photographers and paparazzi who overstep the mark and behave so badly they get put in jail or have injunctions served on them to prevent harassment.

Lee Cropper - jailed
http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/9371398.Celebrity_photographer_jailed_for_sex_assaults_on_models/

Injunction against paparazzi for harassment
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/nov/11/hugh-grant-baby-mother-injunction

Lifting up a camera does not imply a "right" to take any image - a true professional will know when to take the shot or when to walk away.

The lowest actions of the gutter press are far more likely to bring about a change in the law than a few over zealous security guards in shopping centres.

Just 2 points here.

1/ The first case has nothing to with photographer rights,it just happen he was a photographer,same as could been a pop star,or any other profession.

2/Clebs v press,they want them,when it help their careers,and Mr Grant has got a huge hard on for the press,after been caught with his pants down,LA hooker,a lot of so called clebs have this love/hate thing with the paps :shrug:

Should pap behave better,in some cases yes,and most paps would be out of a job tomorrow,if the public stopped buying the **** press/mags that publish this junk.

:)
 
Just 2 points here.

1/ The first case has nothing to with photographer rights,it just happen he was a photographer,same as could been a pop star,or any other profession.

2/Clebs v press,they want them,when it help their careers,and Mr Grant has got a huge hard on for the press,after been caught with his pants down,LA hooker,a lot of so called clebs have this love/hate thing with the paps :shrug:

Should pap behave better,in some cases yes,and most paps would be out of a job tomorrow,if the public stopped buying the **** press/mags that publish this junk.

:)

Hi Simon,

Re:1. I agree was nothing to do with photographers rights - it was more about the subjects rights, and therefore relevant. It was about a professional photographer abusing his position and behaving badly enough to be sent to jail for it. Interestingly, the court has ordered the destruction of the images as well and that does not happen very often.

Re: 2 - Please don't let's keep on playing the "celebs want publicity"card. Some do - some don't and celebs are entitled to their privacy and time to themselves just as anyone else. Just being a celeb does not mean you can't have privacy. The mother of Hugh Grant's baby was so badly harassed in public and on private land she secured an injunction to stop it. That's not professionalism that's just unscrupulous and unprofessional.

For those that believe the UK privacy laws should be strengthened, acts like these give them all the ammunition they want.

I do agree that the lowest common denominator mags and tabloids are to blame but that does not excuse the behaviour of the photographers.
 
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Hi Simon,

Re:1. I agree was nothing to do with photographers rights - it was more about the subjects rights, and therefore relevant. It was about a professional photographer abusing his position and behaving badly enough to be sent to jail for it. Interestingly, the court has ordered the destruction of the images as well and that does not happen very often.

Re: 2 - Please don't let's keep on playing the "celebs want publicity"card. Some do - some don't and celebs are entitled to their privacy and time to themselves just as anyone else. Just being a celeb does not mean you can't have privacy. The mother of Hugh Grant's baby was so badly harassed in public and on private land she secured an injunction to stop it. That's not professionalism that's just unscrupulous and unprofessional.

For those that believe the UK privacy laws should be strengthened, acts like these give them all the ammunition they want.

I do agree that the lowest common denominator mags and tabloids are to blame but that does not excuse the behaviour of the photographers.

I think were going to have to disagreed,as I have said a lot of people abuse their positions of power,it matter not that he was a photographer.

Also your right clebs do have a right to privacy,and a lot do by not courting the press when it suit them,then moaning about when it does not suit them.

And again the unscrupulous and unprofessional,could not make a living,if the public did not buy,it's the high demand for this sort of crap that allow them to work.
We ourselves need to look hard into the mirror.
 
We ourselves need to look hard into the mirror.

As an industry - I'm in total agreement with that statement.

Let's talk about everyone's "rights and responsibilities" - both those with cameras around their necks and those having cameras pointed at them.

Open discussion is good.

Some people just carry a camera and others carry a camera and a conscience.
 
I have to say it was an interesting read. Also following the comments thru the post. I being in the United States have differing laws governing what is acceptible. Yes, rule 1 use your common intelectual brain, "sorry I didn't know" only gets a person so far. In the military I have enforced rules to stop persons from taking photos that were deamed a security issue. In law inforcement I took it apon myself to inform others I was working with the basic rights of persons taking photos. Also how to handle being the subject of someones camera.

The lure of a quick buck $$ causes people to loose their sences, pushing limits and crossing lines.

My two cent
 
Simon
In the case of the first photographer, he could have been anyone else, but he wasn't. He was a photographer, and it is therefore relevent, if only to show that just because someone has a camera, it does not mean they are as innocent of any and every wrong doing.

Given that should be blatantly obvious, what unfortunately isn't always, is what a photographers motives are. Until Police Officers are recruited for having ESP, or Minority Reports becomes non fiction, photographers will continue to get stopped and asked what they are doing. As a former Policeman, I could always find a reason to conduct a stop on pretty much anyone, all perfectly legally.

In about 60% of cases those encounters went with no problem, in the others, when photog got on his high horse, then it ended badly, for them.

As a photographer, I have been stopped, sometimes with very good reason and asked what I am doing. I have been visited at home by the local Special Branch too, and guess what ALL of those encounters have ended with no problem. Not because I quoted legislation at them, but because I just answered the questions, let them search me, so what, whats the issue? When I put myself in their position, actually, I can see the point, and I accept thats an advantage I have over you, I've seen it from both ends.

Lastly, the PDF is out of date, and wasn't very accurate in the first place. I don't care who wrote it, it was full of errors.

The best, and in reality only advice people need, is to be polite, co operate, and 9999 out of 10000 time you will be on your way carrying on what you were doing within minutes. Being belligerent or waving inaccurate bits of paper, or claiming you have rights isn't going to help anyone. Yes, occasionally, and in relation to the number of people who take photos every day those occasions are very few and far between, Police Officers will get it wrong. Yep, shouldn't happen, but they are human, they carry round a huge amount of information, and photographers are not the only people that sometimes get the wrong end of it. Nut hey, until someone comes up with an infallible human being thats going to continue as well. After all, you make mistakes, as my last paragraph points out, if its ok for you to get it wrong why isn't it for them? More so given that in reality this is such an unimportant aspect of policing.

Lastly, the Met Police didn't issue any such edict. The put out an advertising campaign, that asked people to think about what they saw, people photographing unusual things, people paying for vans or commercial vehicles with cash, both of which can be perfectly innocent, but both can be the opposite. If you would rather people didn't report matters to Police, just because of a 'right' you think you have, then thats your problem, I'd rather they did, because I've picked up bits of bodies when people didn't.
 
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here we go again.........

I have been stopped and questioned twice, once by a real plod and once by a community service officer plod

I am well aware of what they can / cannot do............and believe me it was tempting to tell the CSPO to b****r off and arrest me........ but in all honestly much easier to explain what I was doing and why, and feel free to take a look through the pics on the memory card, via the screen on the camera, and as he was also a little bit into photography, he could see that was all above board......... I really don't have a problem if their attitude is good to start. If they start off being an arse, I will be an arse.
 
I got stopped by traffic on the B6265 near Grassington at 04:30 on a Sunday morning, they asked me what I was doing, I explained that I did a bit of wildlife photography. They then asked to look in the back of the Hilux,OK, as long as I can look in the back of your Range Rover, they agreed. Their boot was ful of dull road cones and crap, mine had a stove, kettle and water, so we had a brew, a chat and a right good laugh.

Moral is, none of us like being ridden roughshod over, police are people like you and I. Give and take a bit, makes for an easy life................;)
 
fracster said:
I got stopped by traffic on the B6265 near Grassington at 04:30 on a Sunday morning, they asked me what I was doing, I explained that I did a bit of wildlife photography. They then asked to look in the back of the Hilux,OK, as long as I can look in the back of your Range Rover, they agreed. Their boot was ful of dull road cones and crap, mine had a stove, kettle and water, so we had a brew, a chat and a right good laugh.

Moral is, none of us like being ridden roughshod over, police are people like you and I. Give and take a bit, makes for an easy life................;)

Now that's the attitude! Sharing a brew... This whole police vs tog rubbish, thats almost playing football with the enemy from the trenches on Xmas day (in some people's eyes!!)
 
mine had a stove, kettle and water, so we had a brew, a chat and a right good laugh.

Moral is, none of us like being ridden roughshod over, police are people like you and I. Give and take a bit, makes for an easy life................;)

Indeed :thumbs:

You should have knocked on the door at the Old Hall in Threshfield and bought them a beer ;)
 
Simon
In the case of the first photographer, he could have been anyone else, but he wasn't. He was a photographer, and it is therefore relevent, if only to show that just because someone has a camera, it does not mean they are as innocent of any and every wrong doing.

Given that should be blatantly obvious, what unfortunately isn't always, is what a photographers motives are. Until Police Officers are recruited for having ESP, or Minority Reports becomes non fiction, photographers will continue to get stopped and asked what they are doing. As a former Policeman, I could always find a reason to conduct a stop on pretty much anyone, all perfectly legally.

In about 60% of cases those encounters went with no problem, in the others, when photog got on his high horse, then it ended badly, for them.

As a photographer, I have been stopped, sometimes with very good reason and asked what I am doing. I have been visited at home by the local Special Branch too, and guess what ALL of those encounters have ended with no problem. Not because I quoted legislation at them, but because I just answered the questions, let them search me, so what, whats the issue? When I put myself in their position, actually, I can see the point, and I accept thats an advantage I have over you, I've seen it from both ends.

Lastly, the PDF is out of date, and wasn't very accurate in the first place. I don't care who wrote it, it was full of errors.

The best, and in reality only advice people need, is to be polite, co operate, and 9999 out of 10000 time you will be on your way carrying on what you were doing within minutes. Being belligerent or waving inaccurate bits of paper, or claiming you have rights isn't going to help anyone. Yes, occasionally, and in relation to the number of people who take photos every day those occasions are very few and far between, Police Officers will get it wrong. Yep, shouldn't happen, but they are human, they carry round a huge amount of information, and photographers are not the only people that sometimes get the wrong end of it. Nut hey, until someone comes up with an infallible human being thats going to continue as well. After all, you make mistakes, as my last paragraph points out, if its ok for you to get it wrong why isn't it for them? More so given that in reality this is such an unimportant aspect of policing.

Lastly, the Met Police didn't issue any such edict. The put out an advertising campaign, that asked people to think about what they saw, people photographing unusual things, people paying for vans or commercial vehicles with cash, both of which can be perfectly innocent, but both can be the opposite. If you would rather people didn't report matters to Police, just because of a 'right' you think you have, then thats your problem, I'd rather they did, because I've picked up bits of bodies when people didn't.

I will still stick by my first and second post,it has nothing to do with photographer rights,we know a lot grooming go on with children,on the intenet if you saw someone using an laptop in the street or a moblie, i-pad would you stop them and ask what they are doing ?

I have travel all over,been to a few warzone and seen my fair share of bodies and people die,and also a few places where the police forces,are just state thugs :(
Plus i was outside the Old Baliey,when an IRA bomb went of.
After all i have seen it make me belive more in human rights more than ever.
Also no one is above or below the law,even a policeman on duty.
 
“Kate and Gerry McCann demanded a ban on publishing photographs of people taken without their consent” and “that repeat offenders in the press be thrown out of journalism” – yesterday’s Leveson inquiry.

Forget worrying about photographer "rights" - we might find that the pendulum swings the other way if we ever get to the stage demanded by the McCann's and others.

Photographers may have certain rights but so do the people having cameras pointed at them - and supplying the gutter press with images is no excuse for appalling behavior by some.

A ban on publishing photographs of people without consent may be the only way forward on this as the industry is obviously unable to regulate itself.
 
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