Photographer's Rights Survey

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This survey is done by a Gent who posts on another forum (Amateur Photographer) and works for photographer's rights.

It takes about 1 minute and is strictly "no name, no pack drill".

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It doesn't say what the point of the survey is.. the why ?
 
Completed myself, I think the 'why' factor is trying to establish in which certain areas photographers (professional/otherwise) feel they lack in confidence when dealing with the photographic legalities. This survey could show the area's where people feel they are being more obstructed by the Police/PCSOs/PMSCs aswell as the nature of the incidents, to wether it's in a public or privatised setting.

ie. I live in the Peak District and less likely to get questioned for taking photographs of buildings or the hillsides unlike someone in a population center, where a more alternate 'motive' could be suspected. Either by the Police themselves or a member of the public.
 
It appears to be a very badly structured set of questions. I'm unclear what meaningful data it could gather.
 
Here is the homepage with explanations (for those who were so concerned but could not manage to click on the "Home" button).

This guy is working for us, lets support him.
 
Oggy said:
Here is the homepage with explanations (for those who were so concerned but could not manage to click on the "Home" button).
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a survey should explain why its a survey not expect people to search...and he certainly aint working for me..
 
What are "photographers rights"?
 
Well his statistics are going to be seriously flawed, inaccurate and open to criticism from Day One.

I visited the survey link page from this thread, read it (without going further to complete any of the 12 questions) and then went to the Home page to see and understand more about what is behind "Scene That" as I had some concerns I wanted answered before proceeding.

After looking at and reading some of the links, I went back to the Survey page with a view to completing the questions only to be told my survey was already "100% complete" - which is odd as I never saw, read or completed so much as one question.

Perhaps someone gets to fill in the answers for me using my IP address as a supposed legitimate survey response?

Deeply, deeply flawed and open to criticism from the outset.

Lots of comments about "Photographers Rights" - hardly anything on "Photographers Responsibilities" and some major omissions concerning the differences between "Public" and "Private" land where most of the problems and confusion exist.

If this website is as truly impartial as it claims to be, let's see more information on "Photographers Responsibilities" and "Private Landowners Rights" as well.
 
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I clicked on the link in the first post, looked at the home page then back to the survey and got this:

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Oggy said:
This guy is working for us, lets support him.
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I certainly hope not, he has put together a victim survey and not even structured it to provide meaningful data.

Example - a photographer mostly shoots landscapes in mid-Wales, he has no problems with anyone doing this. So on the first set of questions we have "landscape photography" and "Wales". He makes one trip to Newcastle and has a run-in with a private security guard outside an office building whilst shooting candid street portraits. If he completes the survey as requested, the record will show that a Welsh landscape photographer had a negative interaction with someone. It won't record what that photographer was specifically doing or where they were at the time of such an incident.

:bonk:

Flawed survey. Unless it's simply to gain victim points. If those behind the survey want it to be meaningful, they need to have a useful outcome. It would be useful to know where in the country these adverse encounters happen and what people are doing at the time. That way the patterns can be identified and addressed accurately.
 
:plusone: - a "victim" survey where the data will be used and shared elsewhere perhaps?
 
I agree it's flawed.
The entire thrust of the questions is towards 'hostility'.
For example, he asks if you've been stopped and questioned in a hostile way, surely it should be have you been stopped, followed by specific questions about that.
Sorry, this guy is working for himself, not 'us', and aiming to get an answer he wants, not a reflection of life.
 
Bernie174 said:
I agree it's flawed.
The entire thrust of the questions is towards 'hostility'.
For example, he asks if you've been stopped and questioned in a hostile way, surely it should be have you been stopped, followed by specific questions about that.
Sorry, this guy is working for himself, not 'us', and aiming to get an answer he wants, not a reflection of life.
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Good assessment Bernie - totally agree
 
I had a look through this and got to the point where is says "Security checks...
We have logged your IP address for security purposes: (my IP address recorded!)

So much for my rights nobody asked my permission. This does appear to have been endorsed by the photographic press or appears to have links to them. If I was being cynical then I would suggest that some lawyer was setting himself / herself up in a niche market.
 
Blank_Canvas said:
I had a look through this and got to the point where is says "Security checks...
We have logged your IP address for security purposes: (my IP address recorded!)

So much for my rights nobody asked my permission.
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There is a beautiful irony there - logging someones IP address for security purposes without their permission on a site allegedly dedicated to protecting photographers rights :lol:

So they say you don't have to give the police any personal details when requested but it's OK for them to take them without asking ROFL
 
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That says it all...
 
fabs said:
I clicked on the link in the first post, looked at the home page then back to the survey and got this:
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The Internet hates you. You just need to accept the truth gracefully!









:D
 
Blank_Canvas said:
I had a look through this and got to the point where is says "Security checks...
We have logged your IP address for security purposes: (my IP address recorded!)

So much for my rights nobody asked my permission. This does appear to have been endorsed by the photographic press or appears to have links to them. If I was being cynical then I would suggest that some lawyer was setting himself / herself up in a niche market.
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rhody said:
There is a beautiful irony there - logging someones IP address for security purposes without their permission on a site allegedly dedicated to protecting photographers rights :lol:

So they say you don't have to give the police any personal details when requested but it's OK for them to take them without asking ROFL
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An IP address is never "yours", you borrow it from your ISP - unless you have explicitly paid to reserve it - and even then, you don't actually own it, just the right to use it.

Every website (including this one) records your IP address when you hit the site, it's not purely a security thing.
 
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OutLore said:
An IP address is never "yours", you borrow it from your ISP - unless you have explicitly paid to reserve it - and even then, you don't actually own it, just the right to use it.

Every website (including this one) records your IP address when you hit the site, it's not purely a security thing.
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That's true but you then have to question;

1 - why do they mention it in the first place and,

2 - why lie about the reason the IP address is logged?
 
The problem I find with this and any survey,half of it is,not an easy yes or no answers,so your left with a feeling,that if you fill them in,it's not quite what you wanted to say.
 
simonblue said:
The problem I find with this and any survey,half of it is,not an easy yes or no answers,so your left with a feeling,that if you fill them in,it's not quite what you wanted to say.
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That's because the questions have been designed by someone only thinking about the answers they want to receive, not the answers you might want to provide.

Questionaire design isn't easy.
 
It reminds me a little of a Youtube video of a group of photographers who go out with the sole intention of taking pictures of private buildings from public land – nothing wrong with that – except they do it purely to provoke a reaction from security and police so they can have an argument about ‘photographers rights’. :bang:

Im in no way suggesting that the police / security are always correct but trying to purposely provoke a negative reaction doesn’t really help.

They certainly shouldn’t have bothered on my behalf
 
Alastair said:
That's because the questions have been designed by someone only thinking about the answers they want to receive, not the answers you might want to provide.
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"Don’t ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to…”

Fleetwood Mac ;)
 
odd jim said:
That's true but you then have to question;

1 - why do they mention it in the first place and,

2 - why lie about the reason the IP address is logged?
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I don't know - but it didn't do it for me... maybe they're out to get you? :lol:
 
OutLore said:
I don't know - but it didn't do it for me... maybe they're out to get you? :lol:
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No it wasn't me it did it to. I know they're out to get me so I'm not even looking!
 
Blank_Canvas said:
I had a look through this and got to the point where is says "Security checks...
We have logged your IP address for security purposes: (my IP address recorded!)

So much for my rights nobody asked my permission. This does appear to have been endorsed by the photographic press or appears to have links to them. If I was being cynical then I would suggest that some lawyer was setting himself / herself up in a niche market.
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sometimes this happens on logging sites which are used for naughty things, like making you enter your credit card details to be 'released'

sounds very dodgy to me...
 
sturisoma said:
sometimes this happens on logging sites which are used for naughty things, like making you enter your credit card details to be 'released'

sounds very dodgy to me...
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I'm pretty sure that most web server software has "logging on" as the default setting. I seem to remember that was the case when I was running apache a while back (when ADSL first came out in about 2000 running your own webserver/mailserver etc seemed to be the thing to do "because you could" ;) )
 
The worry for me is the fact that my IP address is already linked to a "100% complete" survey on the Scene That database - when in actual fact I never even saw the questions or completed a single answer.
 
rhody said:
The worry for me is the fact that my IP address is already linked to a "100% complete" survey on the Scene That database - when in actual fact I never even saw the questions or completed a single answer.
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If you were that worried,why did you link to the site :thinking:
 
There's nothing secret about your IP address. Whenever you use the internet you advertise your IP address to every site you contact - it's included in the header of every message you send out.
 
simonblue said:
If you were that worried,why did you link to the site :thinking:
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As has already been stated several times in this thread by different people, I followed the link in the original post to see what it was about.

From that moment on, my IP address was registered with Scene That and I was told that the survey was "100% complete" even though I had not seen, completed any of the questions or taken part in any survey.

To have my IP address automatically linked to "100% complete" survey which I have not taken part in, is worrying and completely devalues and undermines the Scene That results.

Perhaps Scene That will now complete the survey associated with my IP address to get the results they want anyway.

A highly dubious survey and questionable agenda all round.

Anyway to answer your original question simonblue - I wasn't worried when I originally visited the site but I certainly was after leaving it.

This is a bit like the police asking you to sign and blank witness statement so they can fill it in later - no-one would be happy with that situation either would they?
 
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roseway said:
There's nothing secret about your IP address. Whenever you use the internet you advertise your IP address to every site you contact - it's included in the header of every message you send out.
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I understand about IP addresses - but I dislike having mine associated with a "100% complete survey" originated by Scene That which I have not taken part in, entered any answers to any questions at all or given my consent to.

That is what is highly questionable and completely devalues the Scene That survey results.
 
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rhody, I don't think the "100% complete" condition is suspicious or questionable, I think it's a further symptom of shoddy survey/website design. By following the link to the survey and then clicking on the homepage of the site before you filled any of it in you were logged as having completed it even though you hadn't answered a single question. The completion trigger is set at the wrong point of the survey - the first page, rather than the last page. I wouldn't worry about it, noone that's given any "statistics" resulting from this survey is going to take it seriously anyway. It's got even less weight/credibility than an e-petition, and they are already scraping the bottom of the credibility barrel.
 
Alastair said:
rhody, I don't think the "100% complete" condition is suspicious or questionable, I think it's a further symptom of shoddy survey/website design. By following the link to the survey and then clicking on the homepage of the site before you filled any of it in you were logged as having completed it even though you hadn't answered a single question. The completion trigger is set at the wrong point of the survey - the first page, rather than the last page. I wouldn't worry about it, noone that's given any "statistics" resulting from this survey is going to take it seriously anyway. It's got even less weight/credibility than an e-petition, and they are already scraping the bottom of the credibility barrel.
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I agree, the ip address logging is most likely to prevent multiple surveys being completed by one person. Not the best way as the address logged will be the one assigned by your ISP and may not be your actual ip address assuming you are behind a router of some type. Therefore this method usually means only one person from that household (router) can complete the survey when there could be several people interested.
Anyhow looking at the replies on here it doesn't look worth bothering with in any case.

Paul.
 
PaulF said:
I agree, the ip address logging is most likely to prevent multiple surveys being completed by one person. Not the best way as the address logged will be the one assigned by your ISP and may not be your actual ip address assuming you are behind a router of some type. Therefore this method usually means only one person from that household (router) can complete the survey when there could be several people interested.
Anyhow looking at the replies on here it doesn't look worth bothering with in any case.

Paul.
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Unless it's cookie driven of course!
 
DemiLion said:
Unless it's cookie driven of course!
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Quite possible, just guessing the ip address logging message is there as that is the method being used, again not the best but it appears this particular survey has not been thought out that well in any aspect.
 
Many thanks Alastair, Paul and Mark for taking the time to reply on my concerns - much appreciated.

According to the Scene That info - it is indeed "cookie driven"
 
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