Photographer's rights- esp shooting children?- *1 more question added*

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A question from another forum has prompted me to ask- if I am at a horse show, am I allowed to take photos of children?

Every show I go to is listed in the local papers, anybody can go and watch. I've never been told not to take photos of children (and obviously if I was, I would put camera away), but is there any legal stuff preventing me from taking the photos?

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Simple answer is no.

More complicated answer if the land is private property, or if any of the children are on a child protection list, then it gets trickier
 
Your biggest prob down here is over zelous Horse togs !!
 
Is that a no to being allowed to shoot children, or a no to there being legallities preventing me from shooting?

The land is obviously owned by someone, but as far as I know anybody can go along and watch the show, you don't have to have permission to go along, and nobody has ever batted an eyelid at me taking photos there...
 
There is no legal problem to photographing children on public property. If it is private property then the owner can lay down rules. Parents may also object but they have no legal right to prevent you if you are on public property.
 
So if the owner doesn't lay down any rules, am I ok to take photos? You can't miss a camera like mine and the show organisers haven't said anything, I know several members of the comittee that run the show who also have no problem with it...
 
You are free to take photographs unless it was stated otherwise as a condition of entry.
You are never free to take unsuitable photographs of children. Though this does not apply photographs children going about their normal business.

However if you concentrate on photographing children expect to be questioned or even asked to leave if you are unable to give a reasonable reason for doing so.

It is wise to not to further upset irate parents, or other laws might come into effect.
 
As far as I understand you can photograph anyone in public, if it is private land and there are no signs telling you not to take photos, as it is open to the public, you can take any photos you like unless asked by staff or the police.
Its time all this nonsense it put to an end
 
You are free to take photographs unless it was stated otherwise as a condition of entry.
You are never free to take unsuitable photographs of children. Though this does not apply photographs children going about their normal business.

However if you concentrate on photographing children expect to be questioned or even asked to leave if you are unable to give a reasonable reason for doing so.

It is wise to not to further upset irate parents, or other laws might come into effect.

It is unusual for someone who gives every appearance of being a pro to be challenged.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
It is unusual for someone who gives every appearance of being a pro to be challenged.
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I think that is key - if you pussy foot around you will be challenged. I take pics of kids in the street all the time as part of my coverage of events for the local paper - everyone just assumes I am press if I go about the job with confidence - which 37 years experience has taught me to do. I have never had a problem - in fact parents line the kids up to be photographed!
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
You are free to take photographs unless it was stated otherwise as a condition of entry.
You are never free to take unsuitable photographs of children. Though this does not apply photographs children going about their normal business.

However if you concentrate on photographing children expect to be questioned or even asked to leave if you are unable to give a reasonable reason for doing so.

It is wise to not to further upset irate parents, or other laws might come into effect.
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Terry - let's not confuse the issue. What you mention is absolutely nothing to do with what the OP is asking, and only serves to confuse the issue here. Of course it is never appropriate to take unsuitable photos of children, that's rather obvious, but that isn't what is being asked here is it.

Uneducated_Rick said:
Sorry, I meant no to "any legal stuff preventing me from taking the photos"
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Thanks Rick... that's clarified my understanding of your comment. Cheers.
 
theMusicMan said:
Terry - let's not confuse the issue. What you mention is absolutely nothing to do with what the OP is asking, and only serves to confuse the issue here. Of course it is never appropriate to take unsuitable photos of children, that's rather obvious, but that isn't what is being asked here is it.
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Unfortunately many Parents are unaware where to draw the line, so believe that all photographs of children are by definition unsuitable. This is also the position taken by many councils and schools.

May be the OP did not specifically ask this question, but it is certainly something he should be aware of.

I have never myself been challenged, but expect to be so one day.
If I am singling out a single child, I always ask the parents. I did this twice at the recent Saddleworth show; though many children were included in my other shots.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
Unfortunately many Parents are unaware where to draw the line, so believe that all photographs of children are by definition unsuitable. This is also the position taken by many councils and schools.

May be the OP did not specifically ask this question, but it is certainly something he should be aware of.

I have never myself been challenged, but expect to be so one day.
If I am singling out a single child, I always ask the parents. I did this twice at the recent Saddleworth show; though many children were included in my other shots.
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Fair comment, but I shoot kids almost every weekend from September through to May, and rarely have any issues. Only once have I been approached, and I put that chap to rights too.

I am sure the OP is well aware of the considerations one must be mindful of when photographing children; there are countless threads on TP addressing those very issues.
 
Terry I am a she :D

I can understand the bit about having confidence- when I'm at a show I know exactly what shots I want, so will find a place to stand to get those shots- if it means standing right at the front of the ring side then so be it. I think I would probably be challenged a lot more if I were standing at a distance, trying to be subtle?

Cheers for clearing that up guys- so I'm right in thinking that if it's a public place I am fine to take photos, and if it's private land (i.e. any shows etc) but there are no stipulations upon entry that photography isn't allowed, that I am ok again to shoot?

How complicated... but I want to be able to answer questions if I am challenged by anyone :(
 
Another question- if I have taken the photos within the correct terms listed above, what am I allowed/not allowed to do with them? Can I post them on a forum like this one (see the sports forum- showjumping photos from today thread), put them on my website, add them to my portfolio etc? I am not selling them if that makes things clearer.
 
awp said:
There is no legal problem to photographing children on public property. If it is private property then the owner can lay down rules. Parents may also object but they have no legal right to prevent you if you are on public property.
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yup i totally agree with u
 
Twizzel said:
if it's private land (i.e. any shows etc) but there are no stipulations upon entry that photography isn't allowed, that I am ok again to shoot?
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Correct. If the land owner wants to stipulate no photography as a condition of entry, it has to be clearly stated before the ticket was purchased. If it's free entry, conditions of entry should still be clearly comunicated at the point of entry.


Steve.
 
Twizzel said:
Another question- if I have taken the photos within the correct terms listed above, what am I allowed/not allowed to do with them? Can I post them on a forum like this one (see the sports forum- showjumping photos from today thread), put them on my website, add them to my portfolio etc? I am not selling them if that makes things clearer.
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You can post them on a forum - you can post them on a website - you can submit them to a picture library for editorial use only.
 
Chaz Photos said:
I read this rights V2 and was thinking do the press get sign model release of all the people they take? From horse event to courts I don’t think so, so why do the rest of us have to if we wish to publish?
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you don't need a model release in the UK, most distributors insist on it though as many forign markets particularly the states insist on model releases.
 
You don'r need a release if the picture/subject is on public property - as long as you publish as editorial - you can't use the pics for advertising without a release.
 
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