Photographer wannabes

This may sound like dippy-hippy stuff or cheap psychoanalysis but...

Anger is just your bodies way of telling you that your will has been blocked ie. That something you wanted (or didnt want) to happen has happened. You don't have to stay angry after the initial reaction, instead try to analyse why you are angry and sort it out. In this situation there's honestly not a lot you can do about it I would guess other than do your best with your photos, hope your client has loyalty and learn some lessons for next time, maybe pick up a conversation with the guy beforehand and actually try to get him to be helpful instead? At the end of the day YOU got the shots that YOU wanted from the direction YOU wanted with the framing and lighting and exposure YOU wanted and YOU can post-process them however YOU like (or client likes? :P)

Hope this helps somehow.
 
Once again, posting up on this site will make ZERO difference, use your ability to speak to get your message across, he is probably unaware of his wrong-doing unless its pointed out. Be polite.

We have voices people - use them.
 
I don't see the problem. Surely you've got a contract to turn up and provide a product.

Provide the product and bill the client. If the client also takes the freebies, so what?
 
dod said:
I don't see the problem. Surely you've got a contract to turn up and provide a product.

Provide the product and bill the client. If the client also takes the freebies, so what?
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There's always the issue that the client may well offer the next job to the guy that's giving them away for nowt. ;)
 
maybe the guy thought it was the right thing to do, as he has had free advice and was alowed to shoot something he would not normally have the chance to shoot

and the old shooting something for free/hobbyists giving away something for free....have we not put that argument to bed yet?
 
and the shoulder shooter will rarely have the eyes in the direction of the camera either. There are always a few but it can be annoying when they are shouting at the subject to turn their way.
 
fabs said:
There's always the issue that the client may well offer the next job to the guy that's giving them away for nowt. ;)
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but that would be very short sighted of the client.

it's a bit like an electrician wiring your house up.. and then some bloke coming along to switch on the lights for you (for free)... you wouldn't employ that bloke to do your next electrical job would you.


<crap analogy i know :bonk:> but you get the drift.
 
Skips said:
This may sound like dippy-hippy stuff or cheap psychoanalysis but...

Anger is just your bodies way of telling you that your will has been blocked ie. That something you wanted (or didnt want) to happen has happened. You don't have to stay angry after the initial reaction, instead try to analyse why you are angry and sort it out.
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Damn hippies. ;)

You could also take the wannabe aside and tell him you want to give him some personal tips about wedding photography, then show him a DVD of the russian photographers fighting and say that's what will happen to him if he doesnt bog off.
 
urbanx said:
I'm a member of a great facebook group called " you're not a photographer, you own a digital camera" it has great daily posts like, "but it has 14mp of course I'm pro" or "I took a photo of a chairs shadow, it has so much meaning" love it!
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chuckle
 
I have not read the whole of this thread, if i was in your position i would be saying to anyone near by that was taking photos that you will show them what they should be doing but any photo's they take have to be handed to you.
Some thing on the lines of "Hello, if you want i will show you what you need to do but any pictures you take i will be needing. Afterall this is money i need."
 
Auwyn said:
Damn hippies. ;)

You could also take the wannabe aside and tell him you want to give him some personal tips about wedding photography, then show him a DVD of the russian photographers fighting and say that's what will happen to him if he doesnt bog off.
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LMAO:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
fabs said:
There's always the issue that the client may well offer the next job to the guy that's giving them away for nowt. ;)
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then we'd see him on here saying "how much do I charge?" ;)
 
I was at a concert on Saturday. I'd been asked to come along by the promoter and shoot some shots. I got myself a good position at the front, bag on the stage in front of me, my young lad and his friend by my side.

Another event tog thought that was the place to be and so using the fact was twice the size of me, made her way to stand by my side, leaning in front of me all evening to try to stop me getting shots. Slightly annoying but it didn't stop me getting the shots.

I'm sure she'll see it that I've done her out of job, because the bands have asked for my shots.

Other times I've asked if I can attend as second shooter on magazine shoots etc. I've found the tog's very friendly, I've helped hold reflectors, flash, driven the chase cars, watched what's going on, learnt lots. I've taken shots but tried hard not to just copy what the other togs were doing.
 
Skips said:
This may sound like dippy-hippy stuff or cheap psychoanalysis but...

Anger is just your bodies way of telling you that your will has been blocked ie. That something you wanted (or didnt want) to happen has happened. You don't have to stay angry after the initial reaction, instead try to analyse why you are angry and sort it out. In this situation there's honestly not a lot you can do about it I would guess other than do your best with your photos, hope your client has loyalty and learn some lessons for next time, maybe pick up a conversation with the guy beforehand and actually try to get him to be helpful instead? At the end of the day YOU got the shots that YOU wanted from the direction YOU wanted with the framing and lighting and exposure YOU wanted and YOU can post-process them however YOU like (or client likes? :P)

Hope this helps somehow.
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if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around does it make a sound?
 
lol - kinda funny, but everyone learns from everyone else..

I'm in no way a pro, i've done a few weddings etc and alot of family weddings... and am always learning new styles and new images. The fact is the client has booked you, so doesnt matter if their nearest and dearest are taking your pictures that youve set up, they are never going to get the same result as you...

funny moment for me was when my cousin got married, decided to take the camera along with just one lens... whislt the tog was taking their shots I had a go once they had done, they were fine with it...

I decided to do some posing of the couple when the photog had finished and get a few shots off, and realised the togs were taking shots of the poses I'd done lol... so it works both ways ;)
 
chip said:
We stipulate in our contract that no other photography is permitted on a commercial shoot.

Chris.
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So how does that work for you?
I go on loads of jobs and sometimes 2 local newspaper togs are present and other freelancers working for another client.

In reply to the OP, just learn to live with it. I did a job for the Royal Ballet yesterday. The Ballet PR was taking pics along with a couple of others from various charities. My shots were done on a 200mm wide open, looked great, their's were done on a wide snappy camera. probably with loads of rubbish in the background.
Something you learn to live with and doesn't bother me in the slightest as I know mine will be the better pics.
 
leftcurl said:
but that would be very short sighted of the client.

it's a bit like an electrician wiring your house up.. and then some bloke coming along to switch on the lights for you (for free)... you wouldn't employ that bloke to do your next electrical job would you.


<crap analogy i know :bonk:> but you get the drift.
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A lot of clients only see in £££s and if the freebies are of acceptable quality (to them) then they certainly aren't going to see a downside in that option.

Afraid it is rather a crap analogy. The client is getting the finished product either way in the case of photography, switching on the lights is hardly comparable to rewiring a house.
 
archangel said:
I know the client wont take the freebies, and my pp always does what the client wants and i don't feel threatened but I do feel ****ed off at the idea that someone feels that they can offer the same service as me but by piggy backing my visions and thoughts and then under cut me with FREE!!!
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That's quite a price drop, I'd find it very hard to beat free, maybe pay them to take your work? :lol:
 
fabs said:
A lot of clients only see in £££s and if the freebies are of acceptable quality (to them) then they certainly aren't going to see a downside in that option.

Afraid it is rather a crap analogy. The client is getting the finished product either way in the case of photography, switching on the lights is hardly comparable to rewiring a house.
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I think the difference here is that the OP sets up the scene, the lighting, the product, the model etc and somone comes in and takes advantage of that by shooting over the OP's shoulder.

That doesn't establish any level of skill or creativity so the client would be shortsighted in assuming that the person offering a freebie would be able to duplicate the efforts of the OP if they were doing it on their own. They might be able to but there's no guarantee of that.
 
dod said:
I think the difference here is that the OP sets up the scene, the lighting, the product, the model etc and somone comes in and takes advantage of that by shooting over the OP's shoulder.

That doesn't establish any level of skill or creativity so the client would be shortsighted in assuming that the person offering a freebie would be able to duplicate the efforts of the OP if they were doing it on their own. They might be able to but there's no guarantee of that.
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A fair point in this instance, but I was speaking in more general terms.
 
fabs said:
A fair point in this instance, but I was speaking in more general terms.
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aye, true. We get it all the time as well :(
 
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