Photographer = candidate for Sex Offenders Register?!

[CT]

I would have told the stupid tart to #### off.

I'd have been similarly tempted.

Try telling her you're on parole from your third consecutive stretch for GBH, and with the anger management counselling, youre trying really hard not to go back. Adopt a slightly demented demeanour for best effect.

 

[Wobbler]

How many paedophiles openly take pictures of children, especially in public places and with professional looking cameras?

a paedophile isn’t going to advertise his intentions any more than a burglar is going to wave his house breaking equipment around in public.

This is the point that really grates...if there was actually a P****, do these people not think he'd try and hide it, rather than wandering around with a big very obvious camera on his shoulder? and again, I can't see how someone will get their rocks off from looking at a picture of little Billy, fully clothed, on the swings...it's just beyond pathetic.

It's never happened to me - thankfully - but the temptation to give a wise answer must be massive....'are you taking pictures of little Billy?' 'Yes, he's got a great ass!' - though that would probably get you lynched lol.

 

[Wobbler]

Anyone remember the paedophile Brass Eye episode?

Nonce sense

 

[swanseamale47]

Probably Just watching it now on Google videos, it's hilarious! The first 2 minutes are actually quite relevant.

Gary Linekar, sat holding a photograph of a hill side.. and asks if it is just a picture of a hill side. He answers, 'no, if we look closer there is a child in the picture' (about the size of your thumbnail!). He continues, 'if you show this to a paedophile, he will attack you to try and get the picture'

ROFLMAO !!

 

[Splog]

It's never happened to me - thankfully - but the temptation to give a wise answer must be massive....'are you taking pictures of little Billy?' 'Yes, he's got a great ass!' - though that would probably get you lynched lol.

 

[Musicman]

Maybe it time for the response "are you calling me a pervert? I'm calling the police."

It's tempting.

Section 5, Public Order Act 1986.

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

 

[hollis_f]

A few years ago I was photographing the wheel in Manchester, when I was approached by a woman who asked me “did you take a photograph of the girl over there “ I replied’ no’ but she stated that she was a social worker’ and she thought I had.

And my reply would have been - "Good for you, now go away or I shall call the police."

 

[wibbly]

I know how everybody hates this reaction but I would have told him/her to **** off and started maybe snapping them...in a really exagerated glamour shoot way....

'Work with the me baby, yeah, show the camera who's the daddy' type thing...

But then again if you did that with me or my 4 year old I'd be having serious words with you :nono:

The world has gone mad with this kind of thing now, and it's the photographer who are easy pickings....!

 

[willbaroo]

But then again if you did that with me or my 4 year old I'd be having serious words with you :nono:

The world has gone mad with this kind of thing now, and it's the photographer who are easy pickings....!

Go for it wibbly, I can quite clearly see you have had a catastrophic sense of humor failure! Or I have mis-enterperated your some what confusing use of smillies...

Don't forget about this though...

Section 5, Public Order Act 1986.


Quote:
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

 

[Biscuit761]

The only thing I can add to this is my worry that the practice of telling these people to "f*** off" gives the complainer the impression that the photographer is another loudmouth idiot. There are a lot more words that can be used of a more acceptable nature before having to reduce oneself down to that level.

Bill

 

[wibbly]

Go for it wibbly, I can quite clearly see you have had a catastrophic sense of humor failure! Or I have mis-enterperated your some what confusing use of smillies...

Don't forget about this though...

Section 5, Public Order Act 1986.


Quote:
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

Oh don't worry I hadn't forgotten about the public order act, I think by telling me to **** off you'd already broken it so I think a strong word wouldn't. Constitue anymore of a break from my side

At the end of the day people have to recognise the responsibilities and nervousness people have about others when it's to do with kids generally. I see no harm as a Parent in someone coming over and talkin to me about photo taking and I have no issue with making them aware of what I am interested in taking photos of, and reassurng them that their kids are not a subject of interest to me!

 

[CT]

This whole thing with kids and camera has got entirely out of hand. If you take your kids into a public place then you're in the public domain as far as photographers are concerned. Unless you approach the photographer in the proper manner it's likely to be you who ends up very much in the wrong and as photographers we shouldn't retreat from that position. I find it a bit surprising that a photographer parent would even question the motives of the photographer.

Common sense of course says we should respect the wishes of the parent, and if I was approached in a proper manner I could easily be persuaded to delete any images if that was the parents wish, although I'd ask how taking a picture of a nameless child in a public place puts the child at any risk whatsoever. If I was approached in a threartening or hostile manner, that I'd be a lot less co-operative.

The public perception of what is a paedophile has become a joke, with parents thinking that challenging photographers going about a lawful pursuit somehow 'does their bit' to protect children.

On a course many years ago I was subjected to two full days of pornographic images and films, culminating in genuine snuff moves from the Far East and sex films involving children. Of all the material I saw, the latter left me feeling physically sick and emotionally badly affected for days afterwards, along with most others on the course.

Paedophiles do not roam about with cameras taking pics of kids in the street.

 

[willbaroo]

Wibbly, if some one came up to me whilst I was taking landscape photo's and told me they were going to have me put on the sex offenders register I would'nt even think twice about telling them to get a grip and f*** off.

I'm not saying that my reaction to ANYONE who comes up to me and questions me in a polite manor would get the foff treatment, I will treat those people as they choose to treat me.

I'm saying that if somebody comes up to me and accuses me of being a pervet/sex offender/rapist etc etc because I have a big camera, they will get the f*** off reaction. Simples.

 

[Kev R]

Coming back to the original post from Puddleduck, this drives me mad...

Twice a week in all weather, I stand for one and a half hours while my Son trains...I then get up at the crack of dawn on a Sunday and drive him to wherever he needs to be for whatever time he needs to be there. I stand for the best part of two hours while he goes through his brilliant motions each week...

He is 12, he amazes me with his ability, I wanted to be just like him but never was, he scores the most wonderful goals and turns away with joy etched on his face and generally runs straight toward me! He and his team mates celebrate the end of a winning game with water fights etc.

AND I DON'T HAVE ONE BLOODY PHOTOGRAPH OF ANY OF THIS...

I would video every game so we could watch again at home and analyse, plus keep a record of his goals (69 from his last 78 games) I would keep a photographic record of his key moments, for him to cherish when his playing days are over.

For me to take a photograph of my own Son I need to have permission from the local FA, permission from both teams (Managers/secretary) plus give adequate written notice to the parents of all participants so they can refuse if necessary. We tried to arrange it once for a tournament in the summer, three parents refused to give permission, obviously they have me down as a suspected paedophile!!!

It is a real shame it has come to this, narrow minded people spurred on by paranoid lynch mobs (The media) baying for blood, any blood, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time you will have a Puddleduck type experience I guarantee it...

Cheers...Kevin.

I would give anything for a photographic memory!

 

[rellik666]

Bloody Hell....thats awful.....I know when I was in the UK...I went to the park with my sister and my brother and their children...I had my D50 and took some great shots...but I felt like I shouldn't be taking photos, but no-one bothered me....I think that if I was a man it would have been a different story! Sadly....

 

[whiteflyer]

........
For me to take a photograph of my own Son I need to have permission from the local FA, permission from both teams (Managers/secretary) plus give adequate written notice to the parents of all participants so they can refuse if necessary. ...

This is were we really need to put some effort in, to get organization to issue sensible guidelines and rules. There is far too many saying you need this and that permission when it should not be necessary.

I have posted on here before about the guidelines issued by the Young Athletes League ( Sponsored by McCain's and part of UK Athletics)

At this years final all competing team where sent an info pack stating that the event would be photographed and if you did not want your child to be photographed then DO NOT travel to the event.

 

[jerry12953]

I was just a guy wandering around looking for some nice light and a decent scene. Wasn't the slightess bit interested in the football match.

I'm still baffled by what this person though tthey were "protecting" their kid against, as I was 200 yards away, shooting trees and cloudscapes and not even in their general direction!

I did ask her nicely if she would mind getting out my my light as she was casting a shadow, and please be more polite and less shrill.

When that didn't work I told her to **** off and mind her own business!

 

[jerry12953]

I'd have been similarly tempted.

Try telling her you're on parole from your third consecutive stretch for GBH, and with the anger management counselling, youre trying really hard not to go back. Adopt a slightly demented demeanour for best effect.

Photography as occupational therapy........

 

[Steve Smith]

For me to take a photograph of my own Son I need to have permission from the local FA, permission from both teams (Managers/secretary) plus give adequate written notice to the parents of all participants so they can refuse if necessary. We tried to arrange it once for a tournament in the summer, three parents refused to give permission, obviously they have me down as a suspected paedophile!!!

Where are these matches taking place? If they are in public (council owned) parks then you don't need any permission.


Steve.

 

[Anorakus]

...

AND I DON'T HAVE ONE BLOODY PHOTOGRAPH OF ANY OF THIS...

<snip>

I would give anything for a photographic memory!

Honestly.. if this was my child, I would take my camera anyway and get a few shots before being thrown out by Security/lynched by hysterical parents/having the police called on me, etc.

In the long run it would be worth it for having some pictures to treasure.

A.

 

[Photodiva]

I've never (yet) had a problem. May be its being, you know, the opposite gender. I was at our local summer festival, wearing a high viz jacket and taking a few shots for a little local magazine that I shoot for. I asked the parents, or where the kids were older, asked them direct for permission. No problem. And that despite the disgusting case of that George woman.

Reading the thread made me think about possible responses to irate do-gooders. I think I might say "I don't take pictures for free, but since you asked, if you'd like me to do some family portraits, I'll do you a good deal ..."

Between paedos and terrorists the government has done a pretty good damn job at keeping the plebs fearful. Its all about control.

 

[Ambermile]

OK, me again, compelled to get back into this discussion despite earlier misgivings and digs... Rather than listening to hearsay and so on, and trying to interpret what really happened to Joe Bloggs last Sunday, I have written to the FA asking for their viewpoint, because I, too, want pictures of #1 son's footie career. They have replied with a very nice email and a pdf of their "guidelines". I quote...

"The Football Association does not have specific rules in relation to the taking of photographs and images of children and young people in football, there is however some recommended guidelines which I have attached for your information."

If anybody would like a copy of said guidelines I suggest they PM me.

Much is made of "best practise", "guide", "common sense" and similar words, but none about "the Law".


Arthur

 

[Wail]

Andy,

Sorry to hear about this, I am sure it wasn't an amusing experience no matter how mature you are!

Funny as this is, I have never been stopped from shooting in schools (when living in Swansea). Christmas Carol 2007, indoors with my D200 and Sigma 70-200 was not a problem at a very well known school over there :shrug:. Various kids' outdoor activities (couple of schools), all through 2008, again, not a single problem and this time with the Nikon 70-200VR & 1.7TC! i should point out that I had relatives attending these schools / events and I wasn't just walking in as a total stranger; but still, I was never intimidated or asked "why" or "what" I was up to.

The one time I was insulted for shooting was walking along the beach from Swansea to Mumbles, a few sad kids kept calling me "pervert", and no one could do much about it. I was with a female relative and we were both walking together. Temperature was close to 5C at the time, so no one was sunbathing (in case anyone gets a wondering idea). What got me on that is, had this name calling happened in Saudi, they would have been arrested for defamation and that kind of crime carries a hefty jail sentence (but then so does a many other things here ).

I don't take lightly to such incidents and it saddens me to read about this.

I guess my experiences in UK have been very lucky, especially when I see all the treads the come along with such incidents. Especially in a society as "mature" as the UK.

I hope you're not too overly upset by this incident; the world, as a whole, is regurgitating some funny, yet sad, incidents.

 

[Wail]

I think the answer to stupid parents is to say that you're not the slightest bit interested in their kids but would they move out of the shot you are taking of the CCTV system for your mate Osama. You might like to advise them if they want to keep their offspring safe they would be best keeping them indoors for the next few months as Osama has just bought a large van and a couple of tons of fertalizer

Well, if it's not one stereotype it's the other :shake:

You could of course state some bogus stat like their child is 37 times more at risk of being at risk of paedophiles at school and 105 times more at risk in their own home than they are on the street. I say bogus but it's probably quite close to the truth.

In reference to Osama, and let me state that I've never used this line, but it is 100% true ...

My uncle is Osama, though I am 100% certain that he's not the same Osama you are referring to!

 

[cowasaki]

Nobody has ever approached me to complain. I obviously need to get out more If they did though I don't think they would be happy with the response.

 

[Photodiva]

Coming back to the original post from Puddleduck, this drives me mad...

Twice a week in all weather, I stand for one and a half hours while my Son trains...I then get up at the crack of dawn on a Sunday and drive him to wherever he needs to be for whatever time he needs to be there. I stand for the best part of two hours while he goes through his brilliant motions each week...

He is 12, he amazes me with his ability, I wanted to be just like him but never was, he scores the most wonderful goals and turns away with joy etched on his face and generally runs straight toward me! He and his team mates celebrate the end of a winning game with water fights etc.

AND I DON'T HAVE ONE BLOODY PHOTOGRAPH OF ANY OF THIS...

I would video every game so we could watch again at home and analyse, plus keep a record of his goals (69 from his last 78 games) I would keep a photographic record of his key moments, for him to cherish when his playing days are over.

For me to take a photograph of my own Son I need to have permission from the local FA, permission from both teams (Managers/secretary) plus give adequate written notice to the parents of all participants so they can refuse if necessary. We tried to arrange it once for a tournament in the summer, three parents refused to give permission, obviously they have me down as a suspected paedophile!!!

It is a real shame it has come to this, narrow minded people spurred on by paranoid lynch mobs (The media) baying for blood, any blood, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time you will have a Puddleduck type experience I guarantee it...

Cheers...Kevin.

I would give anything for a photographic memory!

Kevin, that sounds totally ott. If its YOUR son playing, I can't see any reason for that sort of nonsense. A friend suggested I take some shots of his son playing rugby (a 13 yr old). Turned up, parent had word with coach/ref, no problem. What is it with some people. I'd be interested to see those FA guidelines, can you pm me?

 

[cowasaki]

The guidelines can go away! IF you are in a public place and the thing you are photographing is visible you can photograph it. Seeempulllls.....

There are very few things that fall outside of this such as (not all) military bases, nuclear energy stations, railway stations, dock yards etc.

 

[Wail]

Nobody has ever approached me to complain. I obviously need to get out more If they did though I don't think they would be happy with the response.

If memory serves me right, it was the one time I used the Sigma 20 f/1.8 that's when I got called a "pervert"

Though, that wasn't the reason for me to sell it :shrug:, honest!

 

[cowasaki]

If memory serves me right, it was the one time I used the Sigma 20 f/1.8 that's when I got called a "pervert"

Though, that wasn't the reason for me to sell it :shrug:, honest!

Not really a pervert's lens that one. OOO but it is nice though

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Common sense of course says we should respect the wishes of the parent,

lets not get carried away with the 'common sense ' debate which is no substitute for rational thinking.

In a public place you should be able to do anything you like within the law, if a parent objects to their children being in a photograph , then I would respectfully suggest they take the child to a private area which has in it's covenents no photography.

We are as a society becoming more and more paranoid, because the powers that be like us that way ( easer to controll ) and it self policing ,more and more people are 'making up' laws to suit their paranoia.

It seems bizare to me that in an age of enlightenment, we are revisiting the dark ages with some of our thinking especially around photography.

 

[Ambermile]

The guidelines can go away! IF you are in a public place and the thing you are photographing is visible you can photograph it.

Actually, that's what the FA guidelines state as well. However, the majority of footie games played by the younger players are *not* on public grounds. They are on club fields, or school fields.

Arthur

 

[cowasaki]

A photographer taking pictures in a public place is not breaking the law. Someone calling someone else a Pedophile could be deemed an offence under section 4A of the public order act and therefore an offence!

:rules:

 

[mastertrinity]

i think its stupid how modern days people say that there is a safe environment and no slavery and nothing bad apart from minorities like peados, and it seems that us togs are getting treated like the black people in the old days where we cant go anywhere with human activity because riots will be caused.

it really pee's me off seeing these people who think they have the power to do such things. were living in a nanny state full of goody two shoes.

 

[lawrie29]

I sat on the front row at the Nativity this year. Next to the Governers. WHole thin recorded in video mode on the S9600, cept for the few bits I took stills. Even had the flashgun on for a couple at the end. No issues at all.