Photo dpi question

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When I open my RAWs in photoshop the dpi/ppi is always 240. I'm using a Canon 60D so is this due to the crop sensor? Also is it worth changing them to 360 and will it degrade the photo? I use an Epson 1500W for printing and I always drop the image onto a canvas for the paper size. The canvas ppi is set to 360. However, printing aside, I put photos on 500px and they like higher resolutions so should I upgrade the actual photo to 360 or 300 though image size, or leave them at 240?
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The dpi figure in Photoshop is to give an indication to a designer what size the image will be, when you open up the "Image Size" dialogue box. It's simply a entry in the files metadata . You can set the dpi to whatever figure you like, it wont make any difference to the file size, that stays the same. ( unless to up scale it deliberately) . Most Epson printers like multiples of 1440 for image size. It's the native resolution the software works on, so 1440, 720, 360, makes sense. It speeds up any resizing the software has to do. I have my dpi set to 300, as a lot of my images go to repro and the designers like that size as if makes their job easier when fitting images into a page within InDesign. ( it's strange that the default setting for InDesign is 300 and Photoshop is 240, both Adobe graphics products. ). If 500px will accept 360 dpi then change the default to that. Anything to make life easier
 
DPI is totally meaningless until you want to print an image. You can change the dpi value in the exif data to whatever you like -

This is 10 dpi
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this is 300 dpi
300ppi.jpg

and this is 3000
3000ppi.jpg
 
Thank you both very much. I didn't realise you could change the default on PS. I'll put it to 360 just to make it easy for my Epson. I found that 500px take anything over 180.
 
DPI is the incorrect term. DPI is a printer setting

PPI only controls the physical print size of your images from a set number of pixels.

All that matters in your images is the number of pixels (and quality of them).
 
The dpi figure in Photoshop is to give an indication to a designer what size the image will be when you open up the "Image Size" dialogue box.

Actually partly incorrect. PPI figure sets the print size of your image. So if you have say an A4 page and you send a 3000x2400 pixel image @ 300ppi, it will preview as taking up a ratio of 10x8 inches on the page. Smaller ppi will mean it will display larger.

Most Epson printers like multiples of 1440 for image size. It's the native resolution the software works on, so 1440, 720, 360, makes sense. It speeds up any resizing the software has to do.
The Epson R3000 printer is actually incapable of true 1440dpi printing

To make up a single coloured drop, it may need to use up to 8 inks per dot. So divide the resolution by 8 to get the true dpi. 5760 x1440 gives a resolution of 720 x 180dpi effective maximum resolution.

I have my dpi set to 300, as a lot of my images go to repro and the designers like that size as if makes their job easier when fitting images into a page within InDesign. ( it's strange that the default setting for InDesign is 300 and Photoshop is 240, both Adobe graphics products. ). If 500px will accept 360 dpi then change the default to that. Anything to make life easier

Actually you have your ppi set to 300 I guess (dpi is a printer setting).

Photoshop has no "native" ppi setting. that is dependant on the camera you use.

But for anything other than a printg the ppi value is meaningless - Why would you send images to 500px with 360ppi? It means absolutely Nothing for anything other than the Print Size of the image

All that matters for an image is the number of pizxels.

Not sure if this helps http://www.jbdavies.co.uk/resolution/ppi-dpi/
 
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Sort of connected......

What dpi do you upload to the likes of Zenfolio ?

I'm not talking about uploading thumbnails and then sending the larger file to meet a large size print order - but where you just want to ensure the file is already with Zenfolio to ensure they can handle whatever product somebody may order ?
 
Sort of connected......

What dpi do you upload to the likes of Zenfolio ?

I'm not talking about uploading thumbnails and then sending the larger file to meet a large size print order - but where you just want to ensure the file is already with Zenfolio to ensure they can handle whatever product somebody may order ?

It's PPI - not dpi. The only thing that matters is the number of pixels.

I normally send 3000 pixels on the longest edge./ Big enough for a print of around 30"
 
Cheers Jim

So if I upload the original file (after doing any PP in photoshop) to Zenfolio - that's as good as I can provide for allowing larger print orders ?

The only reason I ask is I've had a few folk after product sizes which Zenfolio (or at least the print partners) flagged as not possible - despite them being uncropped images.
 
Can you give an indication? I use Zen and have never had that.
 
Product size also relates to ratio. You can't make a 10x8 image from a 3:2 ratio image (without some cropping). Wondering if that has anything to do with it?
 
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Pick list looks like this - Apologies, base prices as I'm logged in as myself........

Medium & Large Format Prints
12" x 10"
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2.86 each
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14" x 10" Large Print
3.58 each
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15" x 10" Large Print
3.84 each
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14" x 11" Large Print
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15" x 12" Large Print
5.20 each
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A3 Large Print
5.20 each
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16" x 12" Large Print
5.20 each
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18" x 12" Large Print
6.83 each
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20" x 16" Large Print
11.38 each
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24" x 16" Large Print
12.29 each
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Insufficient photo resolution for this product.
A2 Large Print
12.29 each
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Insufficient photo resolution for this product.
24" x 20" Large Print
13.65 each
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30" x 20" Large Print
19.11 each
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30" x 24" Large Print
22.93 each
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I'm not familiar with Zenfolio, but it does seem a bit odd that they'll sell a 12x10 print from an image which is 15x10 shape. The purchaser would have to crop off 20% of the image to do that.

But anyway. I think they're being needlessly conservative in their requirements. If you have 6 megapixels (3000x2000) you can print to any size you like and it will look great if viewed from an appropriate distance. Your image exceeds that so they shouldn't be restricting it.

Ironically if you upscaled your image to 35170x23450, you'd have 100 times as many pixels so presumably they would allow large prints. But there would be no more detail than in the original 3517x2345 image - you can't create detail by upscaling - so it wouldn't print any better.
 
Thanks Jim and Stewart

I'll look at it again later today but here is the blurb from the Zenfolio site.....




When ordering prints and photo products it is important to have sufficient image size. Zenfolio's vendors have different requirements, depending on the product.

Zenfolio uses a built-in feature that will alert you during the ordering process if the photo you are ordering have an insufficient image size for the product you have chosen.

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MPIX
Mpix uses photo imaging equipment with the minimum required image resolution of 100 pixels per inch (ppi). For the best results, however, make sure your images are large enough to print at 250ppi or higher.

For example, to print an 8" x 10" print, the minimum image size required would be 800 x 1000 pixels. However, for best results, it is recommended that the image size be 2000 x 2500 pixels.

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IYP
IYP has different image size requirements depending on the product. Please see their product guide for exact requirements.

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fotoflōt
fotoflōt products are printed using photo imaging equipment with the minimum required image resolution of approximately 100 pixels per inch (ppi), but you may want to use higher resolution to enhance clarity and sharpness. A Durst Theta 51 machine is used to produce the fotoflōts at a resolution of 200 dpi, which is the recommended resolution.

For example, to print a 20" x 10" panorama, the minimum image size required would be 2000 x 1000 pixels. However, for best results, it is recommended that the image size be 4000 x 2000 pixels.

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Photobox
Photobox uses photo imaging equipment with the minimum required image resolution of 100 pixels per inch (ppi). For the best results, however, make sure your images are large enough to print at 250ppi or higher.

For example, to print an 8" x 10" print, the minimum image size required would be 800 x 1000 pixels. However, for best results, it is recommended that the image size be 2000 x 2500 pixels.

Refer to the Recommended Resolution Guide from Photobox for specific resolution recommendations.

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Recommended resolution guide

When ordering a print you should pick a print size that is appropriate to the resolution of your image. If you are seeing a warning for one of your images, try ordering a smaller print size. If you wish, contact us for advice.


The following table shows the minimum acceptable image size in pixels for each print size (based on the longest edge).



Product/longest side Minimum no. of pixels across (minimum megapixels) Preferred no. of pixels across (preferred megapixels)
Passport print mini-prints 200 pixels ( < 1m ) 400+ pixels ( < 1m )
5" 300 pixels ( < 1m ) 800+ pixels ( < 1m )
6" cards, coasters, mug, mousemat, t-shirts 600 pixels ( < 1m ) 1200+ pixels ( 2m + )
7" 600 pixels ( 1m ) 1200+ pixels ( 2m + )
Large and medium calendars 800 pixels ( 1m ) 1600+ pixels ( 3m + )
8" bags, cushions 900 pixels ( 1m ) 1600+ pixels ( 3m + )
10" placemats 900 pixels ( 1m ) 1600+ pixels ( 3m + )
A4 12" 900 pixels ( 1m ) 1600+ pixels ( 3m + )
15" 1000 pixels ( 1.3m ) 2000+ pixels ( 4m + )
A3 poster 1200 pixels ( 1.3m ) 2000+ pixels ( 4m + )
40x30cm and 40cm square canvases 1250 pixels ( 1.5m ) 2000+ pixels ( 4m + )
A2 poster 1500 pixels ( 2m ) 2400+ pixels ( 4m + )
30" 1500 pixels ( 2m ) 3000+ pixels ( 4m + )
60x40cm canvas 1500 pixels ( 2m ) 3000+ pixels ( 4m + )
70cm square canvas 2000 pixels ( 2.5m ) 3000+ pixels ( 4m + )
80x53.5cm canvas 2250 pixels ( 2.5m ) 3000+ pixels ( 4m + )
110x47cm canvas 2500 pixels ( 3m ) 3000+ pixels ( 4m + )
 
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If you have been mis-sold PPI, you could be entitled to compensation!
 
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WOW!! Thanks all, I think I've got it. Upload the photo but leave the ppi alone. As for printing like I say I do my own and it's on photo quality at 720 dpi (and thats a measurement of print quality, whcih I asume the higher tyou go the more ink you use). The ppi has nothing to do with the print dpi, yes?
 
WOW!! Thanks all, I think I've got it. Upload the photo but leave the ppi alone. As for printing like I say I do my own and it's on photo quality at 720 dpi (and thats a measurement of print quality, whcih I asume the higher tyou go the more ink you use). The ppi has nothing to do with the print dpi, yes?

Yes. dpi lays the ink on the paper. The higher the dpi the more accurately the ink will be placed and the more the ink will be used.
ppi can be amended totally seperately as all ppi does is control the spacing of the pixels. Higher ppi means keeping the pixels located tight together and smaller prints and spreading them out a little will result in larger images and depending on the image the quality will not change greatly until you are using a very small number.

The ppi only controls the print size and the printers dpi controls the way the dots of ink are laid on the paper.
 
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Yes. dpi lays the ink on the paper. The higher the dpi the more accurately the ink will be placed and the more the ink will be used.
ppi can be amended totaslly seperately as all ppi does is control the spacing of the pixels. Higher ppi means keeping the pixels located tight together and smaller prints and spreading them out a little will result in larger images and depending on the image the quality will not change greatly until you are using a very small number.

The ppi only controls the print size and the porinters dpi controls the way the dots of ink are laid on the paper.

Thats really helpful, thank you. And thanks to everyone for the interesting replies :):)
 
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