Pentax K-5 better than any Canon?

Now you did say ANY Canon didn't you.

Canon 1D IV

45-point AF system with 39 cross type sensors
10fps(121 frames)
Flash Sync Speed 1/320
Auto Bracketing 7 Shots


Pentax K-5

11 AF points (9 cross type in the center)
7.0 fps (40 frames)
sync-speed: 1/180 sec
Auto Bracketing 3 Shots
 
Now you did say ANY Canon didn't you.

Canon 1D IV

45-point AF system with 39 cross type sensors
10fps(121 frames)
Flash Sync Speed 1/320
Auto Bracketing 7 Shots


Pentax K-5

11 AF points (9 cross type in the center)
7.0 fps (40 frames)
sync-speed: 1/180 sec
Auto Bracketing 3 Shots

Eh? Pentax can HSS and also has more than 3 shots bracketing. Get your facts right and come back to the table. Thanks.
 
Question for the OP. If the K5 is as good as you suggest then why do a vast majority of the worlds top pro's, Chase Jarvis etc, use Nikon and Canon?! Do you know something they don't?!
Go on, enlighten me!!

Andy
 
HSS is kind of irrelevant if you are using studio lights and the sync speed becomes very relevant if you are trying to balance ambient and flash.

A shot i could make with a 1200ws pack with the 1dmk4 i'd need 2x 1200ws packs with the k-5 and suddenly that small number in the depths of a technical specs page is costing £2000 to overcome
 
@Keebs, actually i read some of the top pros are moving to Red Epic cameras, Laforet posted the other day that "Bruce Weber, Mark Seliger and Annie Leibovitz are shooting with the Epic already."

oddly enough it has a sort of built in hdr mode (it blends 2 frames @ 96fps) for a rather extreme dynamic range so maybe the op is onto something :D
 
Question for the OP. If the K5 is as good as you suggest then why do a vast majority of the worlds top pro's, Chase Jarvis etc, use Nikon and Canon?! Do you know something they don't?!
Go on, enlighten me!!

Andy

Andy, the thread is light hearted - although sadly some people do not realise that. The K-5 is very recent and probably the best camera Pentax have released for some time - therefore it is highly unlikely that any top pro would switch as it would mean a total kit change.

As a Pentax user for some time I have had to talk on forums alongside Nikon and Canon fanboys and always feel inferior - now us Pentaxians have something to shout about and to be honest it's worth shouting about. Can we have our 15 mins of glory? :-)
 
DaydreamJay said:
Andy, the thread is light hearted - although sadly some people do not realise that. The K-5 is very recent and probably the best camera Pentax have released for some time - therefore it is highly unlikely that any top pro would switch as it would mean a total kit change.

As a Pentax user for some time I have had to talk on forums alongside Nikon and Canon fanboys and always feel inferior - now us Pentaxians have something to shout about and to be honest it's worth shouting about. Can we have our 15 mins of glory? :-)

Nothing wrong with 15 minutes of fame tbh!

Many moons ago Pentax were THE name in photography. It would be nice to see the name challenging the more popular brands. It will only be good for all of us imvho.

Andy
 
Well, [relatively] not if you then print your cropped version at 6x4 instead of 9x6 for the full frame version :)
That's my whole point - the CoC is a measure of sharpness when you view the image and it's an industry standard that approximates average viewing distances and human visual acuity. You need to know the size you are viewing at and how far away you are viewing it to really understand DoF...
 
Eh? Pentax can HSS and also has more than 3 shots bracketing. Get your facts right and come back to the table. Thanks.


HSS has got diddle squat to do with basic sync speed, they are just not the same thing at all.

I cant find it on the Pentax site anywhere, but do now see that the K-5 will do 5 bracketed shots, still not 7 like the Canon.

ISO double on the Canon at 102400, and is available in ANY shooting mode unlike the K-5 which has an ISO 1600 limit when in bulb mode.

I'm guessing the K-5 does not hold two memory cards, that records each image to both cards to create instants back-up if desired, or raw to one and jpeg to the other, then again you may just want to recorded to one card then automatically switch to the other card when the first is full the choice
is yours.

I see the K-5 will shot at either 7fps or 1.6 fps when in continuous shooting, unlike the Canon which has user selectable continuous shooting frame rates of anything from 1 fps to 10 fps you can decide for yourself how fast you want it.

Has the K-5 got AF point-linked spot metering (on it 11 points) or just spot meter at the centre point.

I could go on, but there are just so many custom functions on the Canon that allow you to set the camera to your own preferences it would take all day to list everything.
 
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The dynamic range difference is 2 ev. Most canons seem to top out at 12, including the 1dmk1v. The pentax, nikon and sonys with the same sensor are all around 14.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en...view-for-APS-C-camera-2010-who-takes-the-lead

I'm sure sony or pentax will bring out something that offers the same level of customisation that canon offer. Then there wouldn't be much reason to stay with them if the competition is superior on image quality, equal on customisation and probably significantly cheaper on price :D
 
vrapan said:
I think this is exactly what's going on, it is only the pictures that are missing :)

Can I make a start in this? I'll have to go panoramic though if that's ok?
 
i dont know but anything is better than mine has 7fps yours has 6.9 there!
 
Eh?
 
Size of the image is relevant when processing film of course, but sensor size has become less important. I'll try find the reference to it, it was something I was reading a few days ago.

This is the flaw in your argument. Sensor size does matter - a lot, in every respect. Bigger sensors gather more light, and don't have to be magnified so much. And further, because lenses don't have to work so hard to deliver a given level of resolution from a larger image (basic MTF theory) lens performance is better too.

As I said... you take the shot differently.

There seems to be a misconception that FF gives shallower DoF and we see this repeated so many times that I just thought that it was worth saying, politely, that it simply isn't strictly true.

It is repeated many times because it is shorthand for what actually happens in practise. It is true. You have quoted Bob Atkins a lot here, including the bit where he actually says this.

When you change anything in the imaging chain, there are knock-on effects. In terms of the DoF formula, the factors are f/number, distance, focal length and sensor size. Sensor size is expressed in the size of the Circle of Confusion, and is unrelated to pixels or film grain. If you are to make sense of these factors in practical terms, you have to establish a level playing field.

The level playing field for comparison purposes can only be the same picture, framed the same, from the same position (same perspective). If you then shoot side by side with a crop camera and full frame, at the same f/number you will get less DoF with the full framer.

I guess you might then say that in order to do that and frame the shots the same, you have had to adjust focal length. Yes, of course you have, But why was that necessary? Because the sensor sizes are different, and that's the primary driver.

Ergo, changing the size of the sensor changes the amount of DoF you get. The conversion formula is the same as the crop factor, ie with Canon, f/number x 1.6 - about one and a quarter stops difference.
 
In terms of the DoF formula, the factors are f/number, distance, focal length and sensor size. Sensor size is expressed in the size of the Circle of Confusion, and is unrelated to pixels or film grain.
At last, someone who speaks sense ;) :D
 
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