"Panasonic G series" Owners Thread

Crotal Bell said:
G80 vs G90?

I like the idea of having 20MP, the extra will help with the occasions i have to crop. The reviews are not very positive in general. A high quality used G9 is just a bit too costly for mu budget but I could stretch to the G90 in excellent condition, ad sell the G80. What are peoples thoughts? (stills are my priority)
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Being honest and brand agnostic for a moment if focus tracking ability for things like birds in flight is important perhaps it'd be wise to look beyond Panasonic and to take at least a quick look at the Olympus offerings with better focus tracking ability?

20mp wise I have the GX9 and the mini SLR styled G100.
 
woof woof said:
Being honest and brand agnostic for a moment if focus tracking ability for things like birds in flight is important perhaps it'd be wise to look beyond Panasonic and to take at least a quick look at the Olympus offerings with better focus tracking ability?

20mp wise I have the GX9 and the mini SLR styled G100.
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Might be negated with the loss of the dual is from his Panasonic lenses.
I thought about suggesting an E-M1 ii until I considered the above.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Might be negated with the loss of the dual is from his Panasonic lenses.
I thought about suggesting an E-M1 ii until I considered the above.
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I'm not a great believer in IS as many pictures I take don't need it. I think the most practical use for me would be with longer lenses and slower shutter speeds but would anyone shooting action like birds in flight be using shutter speeds at which IS would help? That's the sort of question I'd consider if deciding if dual IS or even any IS was a necessity or not. It could be that better tracking is more useful.

These are decisions we must make based on usage. As I always recommend... Start at the end picture and work back to decide the kit and the settings.
 
I have both the G9 and the GX9. Whilst the GX9 is lighter and more compact, I find it harder to use than the G9 because of this size. I find it rather fiddly, whilst the G9 is just about the best handling mirrorless camera I have owned, and I have owned examples of most makes. Obviously image quality is identical, but if circumstances permit the carrying and use of the larger camera then it’s no contest. I must add that I have absolutely zero interest in video, so cannot comment on this aspect. Nor, indeed, of fast-moving subjects.
 
Stephen L said:
I have both the G9 and the GX9. Whilst the GX9 is lighter and more compact, I find it harder to use than the G9 because of this size. I find it rather fiddly, whilst the G9 is just about the best handling mirrorless camera I have owned, and I have owned examples of most makes. Obviously image quality is identical, but if circumstances permit the carrying and use of the larger camera then it’s no contest. I must add that I have absolutely zero interest in video, so cannot comment on this aspect. Nor, indeed, of fast-moving subjects.
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"Obviously image quality is identical"

And that's the thing, that's what I care about so can't see the point of adding the extra cost for the G9. I did rea a review that suggested the prcessor in the G90 is not as good as the one in the G9, but I find that hard to believe when the G90 was released 2 years later.
The G90 is more shaped like the G9 so should be less fiddly than than GX9, and I find the G80 very comfortable right now :)
 
woof woof said:
Being honest and brand agnostic for a moment if focus tracking ability for things like birds in flight is important perhaps it'd be wise to look beyond Panasonic and to take at least a quick look at the Olympus offerings with better focus tracking ability?

20mp wise I have the GX9 and the mini SLR styled G100.
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I considered selling up and moving to something like 24MP Nikon D6500, but once you start to factor in lens costs I realised I should stick with MFT
 
Crotal Bell said:
"Obviously image quality is identical"

And that's the thing, that's what I care about so can't see the point of adding the extra cost for the G9. I did rea a review that suggested the prcessor in the G90 is not as good as the one in the G9, but I find that hard to believe when the G90 was released 2 years later.
The G90 is more shaped like the G9 so should be less fiddly than than GX9, and I find the G80 very comfortable right now :)
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That sounds a sensible plan to me
 
Crotal Bell said:
I considered selling up and moving to something like 24MP Nikon D6500, but once you start to factor in lens costs I realised I should stick with MFT
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I moved down from 2 excellent FF systems (Nikon and Sony) for lens weight reductions. Not regretted it. With the appropriate processing software you can get just as good output for real-world uses. Perhaps if you were to place 2 otherwise identical shots together you maybspot a difference, but who really does that? And if so, why? As you say, it’s what pleases you.
 
Crotal Bell said:
I considered selling up and moving to something like 24MP Nikon D6500, but once you start to factor in lens costs I realised I should stick with MFT
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I don't think I could go back to a DSLR now as I much prefer mirrorless. Some DSLR setups could be quite a bargain these days though, so there's that.
 
Crotal Bell said:
"Obviously image quality is identical"

And that's the thing, that's what I care about so can't see the point of adding the extra cost for the G9. I did rea a review that suggested the prcessor in the G90 is not as good as the one in the G9, but I find that hard to believe when the G90 was released 2 years later.
The G90 is more shaped like the G9 so should be less fiddly than than GX9, and I find the G80 very comfortable right now :)
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"I care about so can't see the point of adding the extra cost for the G9"

How much extra are you looking at?

The G9 is a higher market camera, and although not as new, does have a much faster processor than the newer lower end camera.

The image quality may be identical if you capture the same image, does the G9 not have features that will help you capture the image, that you may wish you had further down the line?

It may be cheaper in the long run to go straight to the G9, than get to it through G90 :)
 
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Stephen L said:
I moved down from 2 excellent FF systems (Nikon and Sony) for lens weight reductions. Not regretted it. With the appropriate processing software you can get just as good output for real-world uses. Perhaps if you were to place 2 otherwise identical shots together you maybspot a difference, but who really does that? And if so, why? As you say, it’s what pleases you.
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That's the thing isn't it. Under test conditions you may see the difference, but so what.
But in MFT, the added 4MP of the higher models will help when I need to crop a bit and keep sharpness, that's my theory.
 
woof woof said:
I don't think I could go back to a DSLR now as I much prefer mirrorless. Some DSLR setups could be quite a bargain these days though, so there's that.
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Yes there's some incredible DSLR bargains out there, but when you start thinking of additional longer range lenses...............ouch.
 
Sangoma said:
"I care about so can't see the point of adding the extra cost for the G9"

How much extra are you looking at?

The G9 is a higher market camera, and although not as new, does have a much faster processor than the newer lower end camera.

The image quality may be identical if you capture the same image, does the G9 not have features that will help you capture the image, that you may wish you had further down the line?

It may be cheaper in the long run to go straight to the G9, than get to it through G90 :)
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Very fair point and this is something that is going around in my head.
 
The GX9 and G90 use the IMX269 sensor and the G9 and GH5 have the newer IMX272

No idea what difference this might produce for stills, but i'm guessing it would be more noticeable in the video capability.
 
Stephen L said:
And remember, the bigger the print, the greater the viewing distance
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This helps my confidence in MFT, as a beginner with little experience of modern cameras, it's easy to assume you're missing out on a lot. So much info on how bigger sensors capture more detail and better pictures, but in real life it seems it may not be as important as a lot of the feedback can make you think.
 
tijuana taxi said:
The GX9 and G90 use the IMX269 sensor and the G9 and GH5 have the newer IMX272

No idea what difference this might produce for stills, but i'm guessing it would be more noticeable in the video capability.
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Interesting, so even though the G9 came out 2 years earlier, Panasonic chose to put an older sensor in the G90.
 
Crotal Bell said:
This helps my confidence in MFT, as a beginner with little experience of modern cameras, it's easy to assume you're missing out on a lot. So much info on how bigger sensors capture more detail and better pictures, but in real life it seems it may not be as important as a lot of the feedback can make you think.
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In 2002 (I think) I photographed Puffins using a 2 megapixel Olympus C2020. In 2006 I was still selling prints of them at A4 size. And they were cropped!
 
Crotal Bell said:
Interesting, so even though the G9 came out 2 years earlier, Panasonic chose to put an older sensor in the G90.
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It is what market sector it is aimed at that decides.
The G90 came out later to fill a gap at the lower end of the market at the right price for that market.
 
Sangoma said:
It is what market sector it is aimed at that decides.
The G90 came out later to fill a gap at the lower end of the market at the right price for that market.
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I'm guessing its the same one used in the GX8 and Pen F.
 
Sangoma said:
It is what market sector it is aimed at that decides.
The G90 came out later to fill a gap at the lower end of the market at the right price for that market.
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From what I've read, it makes no difference in stills quality, which makes sense really as all the cameras in this price/quality bracket shoot great stills, but I guess with the added video features and full frame 4K on the G9 then the advanced sensor is part of the improved package.

I was reading a chat thread on DP review and interesting how many people preferred the G90 over the G9 from a handling perspective as they like the smaller camera. Not really sure how important this is because I tend to think people adapt to whats in their hands. To counter my own argument though, I much prefer the feel of my G80 over my FZ82 bridge camera, although part of that comes down to liking a bit more weight in the hands. I find it easier to get sharp images with the G80, and obviously it has better stabilisation than the FZ82, but I think the weight must help too.
 
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Crotal Bell said:
From what I've read, it makes no difference in stills quality, which makes sense really as all the cameras in this price/quality bracket shoot great stills, but I guess with the added video features and full frame 4K on the G9 then the advanced sensor is part of the improved package.

I was reading a chat thread on DP review and interesting how many people preferred the G90 over the G9 from a handling perspective as they like the smaller camera. Not really sure how important this is because I tend to think people adapt to whats in their hands. To counter my own argument though, I much prefer the feel of my G80 over my FZ82 bridge camera, although part of that comes down to liking a bit more weight in the hands. I find it easier to get sharp images with the G80, and obviously it has better stabilisation than the FZ82, but I think the weight must help too.
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The G9 is quite heavy, in comparison to the G80, but I only notice it if I pick the two up to compare, not if I pick up one to use.

The differences between the G9 and G90 will make more difference in getting the shot than the actual shot if both are taken of the same thing at the same time.
The sensor has a faster read speed, the processor is more powerful, bigger buffer, it has dual memory card slots with two write channels (you can put jpegs on one card and raw on the other) which all gives faster burst speeds and smoother operation, and other features help as well. Some are small things, but very useful, like if you have a bird just behind or just in front of a branch, often it can take several tries to get a camera to focus on the bird and not the branch, even with spot focus selected, with the G9 you can set it so you just press one of two buttons to focus on the nearest or farthest object.

I can understand people liking the lighter one of the two, but one thing I keep seeing is comments that the G9 is the best camera ergonomically that people have used.

The viewfinder image is very good as well, another thing I really like about it.

I mentioned before, I have not seen a great difference in price between the two (used), if there was, I may be more inclined to look at the G90.

I find the G9 doesn't leave me wanting something else.

And your reason wanting something else seems to be resolution. The G9 can take 80MP stills (not of moving subjects though) :)
 
d00d said:
:oops: :$

BTW, did you know when zooming in on a Pana pic, getting into a single pixel, zooming some more and it appears to be made up of baby pixels!
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And what happens if you zoom into those baby pixels?
 
d00d said:
:oops: :$

BTW, did you know when zooming in on a Pana pic, getting into a single pixel, zooming some more and it appears to be made up of baby pixels!
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I wondered what that noise was in my G9! It's the pixels breeding!
 
d00d said:
Hmmm, yeah, when zooming in on a single pixel, cropping and resizing, digital art takes over.
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Well, I did this for another discussion, but I suppose it's just about appropriate here... :naughty:

Pixel.JPG
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Well, I did this for another discussion, but I suppose it's just about appropriate here... :naughty:
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Some people will use that as justification for...

- A new higher mp count camera.
- A new sharper lens.
- A new monitor.
- A new computer.
- A calibration kit.
- Buying Topaz Denoise and Sharpening software (or something.)
 
woof woof said:
Some people will use that as justification for...
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I herebye swear and affirm that no camera was harmed or even involved in the creation of that rubbish (sorry) work of art! :coat:
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I am not now and never have been in a position to comment on the purchase of kit or software... ;)
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Why? Mrs looking over your shoulder? :D

I keep thinking I've got more than enough and in fact I've started selling, or trying to.
 
woof woof said:
Why? Mrs looking over your shoulder? :D

I keep thinking I've got more than enough and in fact I've started selling, or trying to.
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The first rule of photography is only to sell to make room for more.
 
I'm in Scotland at the moment and brought along my S5 and a couple of lenses and my G9 with the 12-35 F2.8 and the 45-175mm. So far, I haven't touched my S5 and have been using the 12-35 the most. Once I've looked at pictures I will drop some in the thread
 
Two new, near completed, buildings in Shepherds Bush. Builders were busy during lockdown.

Offices: Calvin Klein, Tommy Hilfiger. And The Hoxton, a 240 room hotel.

GX80 + Pana 12-60

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