"Panasonic G series" Owners Thread

I was a shutter-shock naysayer, despite having owned all brands of mirrorless, till I had a Sony A7R Mk1. That camera was diabolical at the speeds I normally used.
 
Stephen L said:
I was a shutter-shock naysayer, despite having owned all brands of mirrorless, till I had a Sony A7R Mk1. That camera was diabolical at the speeds I normally used.
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Exactly.

So far, I've never seen it.
 
Cockney said:
But even so. It exisists.
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"exisistsence" (or even existence) is always debatable until you meet it face to face. Until then, it's a theory. :popcorn:
 
Stephen L said:
Hmm. Well, so are car crashes ;)
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I've tried that once. Before you ask, I was found not to have caused it and my solicitor got the costs in full for proving it... :naughty:
 
Again. It's not a theory and it's nothing I've made up and it's not an internet rumor it's a caused by the camera when fitted with some lenses when you use the mechanical shutter within a certain shutter speed range. It's not that one person has the problem and another one doesn't it's simply down to kit and setting combinations. Simple as that. What makes one lens susceptible and another one not I just don't know. Maybe it's to do with mass, how easily internal elements move, I just don't know.

Anyone who has a camera that's affected like the GX7 and G7 (and others) who hasn't seen the effect will be covered in that long explanation I wrote. If you deny this issue exists or simply don't know about it you could end up with pictures affected by shutter shock if you buy an affected camera, mount a susceptible lens on it (like the 14-42mm G Vario, I believe that the 14-140mm was another known for this) and use the mechanical shutter in the shutter speed range which is most likely to induce shutter shock. Take that affected lens off the camera and replace it with a 12-35mm f2.8 and you wont see shutter shock as that lens AFAIK isn't susceptible.

One of my biggest gripes with this is that it's difficult to know which lenses are affected without researching it and I'd advise anyone with a GX7 or G7 or any other affected camera to research any lens they're thinking of buying just in case this could be an issue. Lenses which are susceptible like the 14-42mm G Vario may be fine on bodies not known to cause shutter shock like the GX80 and GX9 I have now on which that lens works perfectly.

It's not just a Panasonic thing, other marques have had this issue too. I know that with the Sony A7R some claimed to cure the problem by attaching a weight adding plate to the bottom of the camera. Enabling EFCS also reportedly cured it but could bring other issues. I've never seen it with my A7.

I really have wasted enough time and energy on this out of politeness and a feeling that I should explain for the benefit of anyone reading this. Anyone reading this has a choice, cover your eyes singing "Lalalalalala" and insist it doesn't exist until you see it and recognise it yourself or be informed and armed to avoid it or cope with it should the need arise.
 
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nandbytes said:
So basically what your are saying is for something to actually exist you much have seen it or experienced it yourself otherwise it's just a theory?
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What I'm doing, is making a joke... :coat:
 
Workman, Exmouth - GX7/12~32mm...


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Looking through the old files, I came across this shot of "The Telfs Troll" in Austria, made with a 45-200 on a G2...

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A few photos from RAF Benson using the GH5 and 12-60 Leica for the first one and the Olympus 9-18 for the last two.

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The Ospreys occasionally fly over our house for low-flying practice in the Dales.
 
Has anyone added a full frame Panasonic to their MFT kit, would be interested to hear your thoughts.
 
seadog99 said:
Has anyone added a full frame Panasonic to their MFT kit, would be interested to hear your thoughts.
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Hi, are you asking if you can use your existing MFTs lens on a pana full frame S Series body?

I would say no. But I'm not really sure. An adapter would be required, of course, but does the S body have a crop mode? If it does, it would mean you are using (effectively) half the full frame sensor. !?!? :thinking:
 
d00d said:
Hi, are you asking if you can use your existing MFTs lens on a pana full frame S Series body?

I would say no. But I'm not really sure. An adapter would be required, of course, but does the S body have a crop mode? If it does, it would mean you are using (effectively) half the full frame sensor. !?!? :thinking:
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I doubt you'll get an adaptor for that. As you say, m4/3 is quite a crop from 35mm frame, and any lens adaptors around tend to be going from 35mm format lenses down the way to APSC or m4/3.
 
Thanks David, no, I was after thoughts on comparisons between the two. Now that the size and weight difference between the two systems is shrinking it is an intriguing prospect. I currently have a gx8, I would like a little more low light capability and a bit more resolution for landscapes for when I travel.

I suppose a natural progression would be the G9 but the S5 has got my attention.

Thanks
 
d00d said:
Hi, are you asking if you can use your existing MFTs lens on a pana full frame S Series body?

I would say no. But I'm not really sure. An adapter would be required, of course, but does the S body have a crop mode? If it does, it would mean you are using (effectively) half the full frame sensor. !?!? :thinking:
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I don't think that was the question, but:
I can & have used my MFT lenses on my Sony A7ii, but unsurprisingly most of them fail to even cover the APSC portion of the sensor. The dumb adapter I got for this was actually so I could make use of my multitude of MFT adapters, but the adapter proved very fiddly so I've gradually collected adapters direct to e-mount.
The Leica L mount, as used on the S series, has a registration of 19mm only 0.25mm less than MFT which would only make adapters for infinity focus even more awkward, but the wider mount diameter might allow designs that get round the issues.

Crop mode is not required, it's very easy to crop the images manually to remove the dark outer areas & this can give you a slightly greater FOV. FWIW my MFT fisheye gives an almost perfect circular image on FF and is actually far better with the crop mode turned off.

The low coverage of MFT lenses will generally make them poor choices on FF, but sometimes making use of something you have handy is better than getting the proper solution.

Thanks David, no, I was after thoughts on comparisons between the two. Now that the size and weight difference between the two systems is shrinking it is an intriguing prospect. I currently have a gx8, I would like a little more low light capability and a bit more resolution for landscapes for when I travel.
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I wouldn't consider a new FF body, but a used A7ii has worked out very well for me. I don't see any advantage to sticking with Panasonic when going FF, your hardware will not be compatible, and the used Sony options are much more affordable.
 
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Petrochemist said:
I wouldn't consider a new FF body, but a used A7ii has worked out very well for me. I don't see any advantage to sticking with Panasonic when going FF, your hardware will not be compatible, and the used Sony options are much more affordable.
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I have used Panasonic since the GF1 so I am very familiar with the UI and AF system. With all that the s5 has and it’s current price their is no attraction for me in the Sony at that generation. Thank you for your input though.
 
I did briefly consider buying a S5 outfit when there was a particularly good offer on.
Came to the conclusion that I wasn't sure why I wanted it or what improvement it would bring.

Going from high quality zooms to a kit lens if i wanted to keep the size, weight and cost down.
For example a 16-35/4 to replace my 8-18 lens would cost about about 1300 quid and would no doubt be a fair bit larger.
Then what replaces my 12-100/4, nothing I can see in the current offerings.

Most of my recent photography has been using a GX9 and 12-45/4, would definitely miss the compactness and portability

Sticking with what I have, not like my photography requires anything the S5 might bring.
I did have Canon FF gear and can't say i've ever missed it, so its a no thanks from me
 
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There are specific MFT camera and lens combinations that would need much larger and more expensive FF setups to replace them but other combinations are much easier to replace with FF. I'm mostly a 24-50mm prime guy and currently have three MFT cameras and one FF camera and it's the FF camera that gets used most of the time as even with a compact prime like the Olympus 17mm f1.8 my Panasonic GX80 and GX9 are too big to fit in a pocket and need to go in a bag and if I'm taking a bag I might as well take my Sony A7 and a prime as that set up isn't significantly bigger and doesn't weigh too much to be a significantly heavier package.

I keep thinking about selling my MFT kit or at least trying to sell it but two lenses keep me hanging on to it, the Panasonic 45-150mm and 100-400mm. I do hope that both Olympus and Panasonic stay with MFT but I can see how MFT must be being squeezed from all sides.
 
tijuana taxi said:
I did briefly consider buying a S5 outfit when there was a particularly good offer on.
Came to the conclusion that I wasn't sure why I wanted it or what improvement it would bring.

Going from high quality zooms to a kit lens if i wanted to keep the size, weight and cost down.
For example a 16-35/4 to replace my 8-18 lens would cost about about 1300 quid and would no doubt be a fair bit larger.
Then what replaces my 12-100/4, nothing I can see in the current offerings.

Most of my recent photography has been using a GX9 and 12-45/4, would definitely miss the compactness and portability

Sticking with what I have, not like my photography requires anything the S5 might bring.
I did have Canon FF gear and can't say i've ever missed it, so its a no thanks from me
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That makes rather too much sense for my liking ;)

I would be keeping my m43 gear and this is to purely supplement my existing gear. I enjoy my gx8 and gx85 too much. With no major trips on the horizon, I think it makes sense to tread water and see what comes down the line the first part of this year.

I have a Kowa Prominar 8mm f2.8 for the wide stuff but have been meaning to have a look at the 8-18 though.

Thank you for your thoughts, much appreciated.
 
woof woof said:
There are specific MFT camera and lens combinations that would need much larger and more expensive FF setups to replace them but other combinations are much easier to replace with FF. I'm mostly a 24-50mm prime guy and currently have three MFT cameras and one FF camera and it's the FF camera that gets used most of the time as even with a compact prime like the Olympus 17mm f1.8 my Panasonic GX80 and GX9 are too big to fit in a pocket and need to go in a bag and if I'm taking a bag I might as well take my Sony A7 and a prime as that set up isn't significantly bigger and doesn't weigh too much to be a significantly heavier package.

I keep thinking about selling my MFT kit or at least trying to sell it but two lenses keep me hanging on to it, the Panasonic 45-150mm and 100-400mm. I do hope that both Olympus and Panasonic stay with MFT but I can see how MFT must be being squeezed from all sides.
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Thats it, its the size of the S5 with its highly regarded 20-60, that's making me ponder. It would be very close to a G9 with my 12-35 size and just a touch heavier. Ok to travel with whilst being better for low-light and DR.

I have never given full frame a second glance until now. I spent most of my working life with large DSLRs, the last one being a D3, the MFT was a breath of fresh air and amazingly capable ex low-light etc

Going to sit a while and ponder !
 
One more thing in favour of MFT against my creaking old Sony A7 is that MFT cameras and some lenses are blisteringly fast. With my GX80 and GX9 and some lenses you don't have to wait for the camera to acquire focus, you can just point the camera, press the shutter and the camera will have locked focus before your finger gets to the point of activating the shutter. My A7 is quite slow in comparison and that additional speed of operation can obviously be an advantage in some situations. Other newer FF cameras will be faster than my A7 but MFT's speed of operation is something else to think about when looking at a replacement.

Although I don't use my MFT cameras much that speed of operation for social shooting and other stuff when speed is good plus those compact longer lenses really add up to a very useful system that I can't see myself ditching any time soon.
 
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For what it’s worth, my mirrorless travels took me from Panasonic and Olympus m4/3 to Fuji, then up to Nikon Z6, on to Sony APSC then Sony FF, and now back to Panasonic and Olympus m4/3. Says something about the increase in quality, both physically and image-wise, of m4/3.
 
Stephen L said:
For what it’s worth, my mirrorless travels took me from Panasonic and Olympus m4/3 to Fuji, then up to Nikon Z6, on to Sony APSC then Sony FF, and now back to Panasonic and Olympus m4/3. Says something about the increase in quality, both physically and image-wise, of m4/3.
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Good old M43

I've got no plans to get anything bigger, but the big sensor fixed lens compacts do appeal.
 
I have been known to use the occassional APS format camera and even a FF camera. I still find that the M43 cameras get the pictures I want with the minimum of fuss. They're useful tools... :naughty:

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