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Im 24 and have been I'd for scissors, cigarette papers and cigarette filter tips. never been i'd for booze though 
dont quite understand that one?
the scissors one is ridiculous because its meant to deter someone who is buying it as a weapon, when someone who is over the legal age could be doing exactly that! The scissors were also cable tied shut so i needed scissors to open my new scissors :bang:
dont quite understand that one? the scissors one is ridiculous because its meant to deter someone who is buying it as a weapon, when someone who is over the legal age could be doing exactly that! The scissors were also cable tied shut so i needed scissors to open my new scissors :bang:
Its not under 18s that the main problem is with, its 18-21 year olds who drink loads, and they're legally able to.
Under 18 you get what you can, which usually isn't enough to do any real harm (at least in my experience). But get to uni with everyone having a new found freedom, I just can't believe how much they all spend on getting drunk! (Especially in newcastle, its so cheap here)
Under 18 you get what you can, which usually isn't enough to do any real harm (at least in my experience). But get to uni with everyone having a new found freedom, I just can't believe how much they all spend on getting drunk! (Especially in newcastle, its so cheap here)
First tried to get in to a nightclub on Boxing Day 1989, aged 15. My mate had already been turned away so we sat in a friends car deliberating what to do. Decided to try again - swapped jackets; he wore my glasses and rubbed dirt on his face to make it look like stubble and off we went... Didn't get asked for ID and in we went!
I do look a lot younger than I actually am.. Started a new job last year and keep getting asked if I am on the graduate scheme. I graduated 17 years ago!
I do look a lot younger than I actually am.. Started a new job last year and keep getting asked if I am on the graduate scheme. I graduated 17 years ago!
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sorry to bump an old'ish thread but i thought id highlight some of the penalties to stores caught selling alcohol to persons under age:
im sure thats a reasonable dent in tesco profit for those stores. no doubt some staff will have been removed from stores also.
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im sure thats a reasonable dent in tesco profit for those stores. no doubt some staff will have been removed from stores also.
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They should just ID everyone with no exceptions for anything you need to be a certain age for, then there'd be no problem with staff having to judge ages and possibly getting it wrong. It would save all the faffing shops have to do with coming up with "Think [whatever age]" policies and trying to get the denser members of staff to understand how to apply them too.
Then you could put the legal responsibility solely with the staff member who serves the person so businesses aren't at risk because of the actions of staff who can't be bothered with the hassle. Hardly fair that whole shops get shut down because of an individual not IDing someone.
Then you could put the legal responsibility solely with the staff member who serves the person so businesses aren't at risk because of the actions of staff who can't be bothered with the hassle. Hardly fair that whole shops get shut down because of an individual not IDing someone.
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Is it more sensible to lose a shopload of jobs (at least temporarily) or to ID everyone? The middle ground of using judgement obviously doesn't work (unsurprisingly as it requires people to care and to guess right) or there wouldn't be any problems.
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If someone sells booze to someone who clearly looks overage like a 40yo and it turns out to me a prematurely aged person or someone in a good disguise then no-one should be punished. If someone sells booze to someone clearly 13 then of course action should be taken.
However, while there will be some 15yo who can look 20, very few if any will be mistaken for 30+, so the rule of looking under 25 should remain.
Is it just me or are we talking about a sledgehammer to open a nut? There will always be kids that manage to buy booze, yes, minimise on the majority being able to do this, but stop inconveniencing other people. We all (pretty much) bought stuff underage we shouldnt have, and most are normal law abiding people. We have all drank far too much and done silly things... where the lawmakers should focus their attention is on the outcome. If someone repeatedly commits an offence then punish them properly, or if they commit serious acts of crime then again, punish properly and that does not mean a slap on the wrist.
I get ID'd now and then at 29, OH does often but she's 22.
To be fair I really don't mind. It's not just the store that gets fined if they are caught out, its the member of staff who served you/them. A huge fine on minimum wage isn't something they really want.
Also OH works for a chain supermarket. The lack of training in "duty of care" is shocking. Apparently its fine for her to sell alcohol to someone with servier learning difficulties if over 18 and also drunks who can hardly stand/walk from what they have drank already. I do think that's a little worse than the odd 17 1/2 year old slipping through.
Also still think it's crazy parents can give children alcohol at home http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/parents/yourchildshealthandsafety/worriedabout/dg_10026211
To be fair I really don't mind. It's not just the store that gets fined if they are caught out, its the member of staff who served you/them. A huge fine on minimum wage isn't something they really want.
Also OH works for a chain supermarket. The lack of training in "duty of care" is shocking. Apparently its fine for her to sell alcohol to someone with servier learning difficulties if over 18 and also drunks who can hardly stand/walk from what they have drank already. I do think that's a little worse than the odd 17 1/2 year old slipping through.
Also still think it's crazy parents can give children alcohol at home http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/parents/yourchildshealthandsafety/worriedabout/dg_10026211
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Along a similar theme. I was looking after my cousin a few years back, she was about 9. I went into a sainsburys to pick up some cigarettes and, they wouldn't serve me "incase I was buying them for her".
I had a moan, told them I felt insulted that they think im so stupid, that 1 - I would buy cigarettes for someone under age and 2 - while doing so, I would actually take them into the shop with me!
So help me out here mums and dads, if you have your children with you, how do you manage to buy any age restricted products?
On a seperate not, Sainsburys again, more years back, when you only had to be 16 to smoke, I put some petrol in the car, then got ID'd for cigarettes when I went to the till. I'd not got my ID with me this time and so stated that if I was under age, surely you cannot sell me the petrol? They said, real quote "Well I can hardly take the petrol back out of your car can I!? And for all I know, you could have stolen that car."
I had a moan, told them I felt insulted that they think im so stupid, that 1 - I would buy cigarettes for someone under age and 2 - while doing so, I would actually take them into the shop with me!
So help me out here mums and dads, if you have your children with you, how do you manage to buy any age restricted products?
On a seperate not, Sainsburys again, more years back, when you only had to be 16 to smoke, I put some petrol in the car, then got ID'd for cigarettes when I went to the till. I'd not got my ID with me this time and so stated that if I was under age, surely you cannot sell me the petrol? They said, real quote "Well I can hardly take the petrol back out of your car can I!? And for all I know, you could have stolen that car."
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Last year a lad came into the shop, and was refused blue wkd for having no idea, so he told the cashier that he'd get his dad to buy it. few minutes later bloke comes in looking to buy WKD blue, I'm now stood behind the cashier as I'm cashing up (nearly closing time) who refuses him because he knows fine well that it's for an underage kid. The bloke was not amused but as the cashier pointed out he wasn't about to serve him with his supervisor stood over his shoulder!
I got a bit uncomfortable acouple of weeks ago with a group of kid buying booze, with a copper behind them , none of them look 18 but I've seen their ID before and know they're 18! (only just mind).
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Many moons ago...... (I think I was 21 so that would have been 1998)
I went into Sainsbury's to get my Dad some crates of beer that were on offer.
Got to the counter, credit card out to make the payment and I was asked for ID. All I had on me was my paper driving license but I said to the assistant and her supervisor who'd been summoned "Look, I'm paying by credit card, if you're not going to serve me when I'm trying to pay by credit card you should also call the police as I would be trying to commit credit card fraud too!"
Luckily common sense prevailed, they checked my driver's license and let me by the beer..... Ironically I can't stand the stuff
I went into Sainsbury's to get my Dad some crates of beer that were on offer.
Got to the counter, credit card out to make the payment and I was asked for ID. All I had on me was my paper driving license but I said to the assistant and her supervisor who'd been summoned "Look, I'm paying by credit card, if you're not going to serve me when I'm trying to pay by credit card you should also call the police as I would be trying to commit credit card fraud too!"
Luckily common sense prevailed, they checked my driver's license and let me by the beer..... Ironically I can't stand the stuff
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a few years ago 10 to be exact i was with a very good friend 35 ish i think at the time we both went to same check out i looked very young and always got ID i got served with out ID and she got refused because she had no ID i was stood there lauging my head off as she id and did look 35
when i worked the doors we had the best reputation in the area where we worked and the pub was always in good books with the police compared to other pubs
getting the correct people ID is not hard there are so many tell tale signs men are the easiest as they cant hard behind make up and the young lads blow them self's up to make them look bigger very easy to tell
women are not as easy but there is various tell tale signs too
too much make up , listen to way they talk when walking up to the venue or lets say check out body language this should be a few things to watch out for i understand the person behind the till cant always watch but there should make small amount of time to look out
some of these points may not make sense if you have never worked behind a till but trust me they would make perfect sense to some one who has
when i worked the doors we had the best reputation in the area where we worked and the pub was always in good books with the police compared to other pubs
getting the correct people ID is not hard there are so many tell tale signs men are the easiest as they cant hard behind make up and the young lads blow them self's up to make them look bigger very easy to tell
women are not as easy but there is various tell tale signs too
too much make up , listen to way they talk when walking up to the venue or lets say check out body language this should be a few things to watch out for i understand the person behind the till cant always watch but there should make small amount of time to look out
some of these points may not make sense if you have never worked behind a till but trust me they would make perfect sense to some one who has
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