Over 70's to be asked to self-isolate - how will you pursue your hobby?

DemiLion said:
I still find it hard to understand that, despite the huge advances in technology, the delivery of the mail has actually become significantly slower.
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It's a bit like bus privatisation. Free up the service to the market, and surprise surprise, all the best bits get snatched up, leaving those with a statutory duty to do the harder bits left over.
 
Pound Coin said:
It's a bit like bus privatisation. Free up the service to the market, and surprise surprise, all the best bits get snatched up, leaving those with a statutory duty to do the harder bits left over.
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Back door privatisation. The regulator split the business in to sections and allowed competition in.

Delivery.

RM had to continue delivering to every address in the country. New delivery services were allowed to cherry-pick the most densely populated areas.

Collections.

RM had to collect from post boxes. Competitors could choose who they collected from and chose large business sending standard size mail that could be machine sorted and dropped off at specified sorting offices for the RM to deliver.

Posting mail. The RM have to sell stamps, collect & deliver the public's stamped mail. Competition don't want to know that part of the operation.

What was not passed on to the public was that 1 or 2 new companies couldn't cope and ended up bulldozing the mail they couldn't handle in to skips for disposal.
 
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DemiLion said:
I still find it hard to understand that, despite the huge advances in technology, the delivery of the mail has actually become significantly slower.
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The post is not getting slower but less people doing (individually) more drops/work being made to start later. Only the town centre lads used to have trolleys but many urban posties have massive trolleys (if not on mini-starburst).
 
I like Boris he makes me smile, reminds me of Columbo.
 
mikew said:
Lets hope its a sobering thought to the idiots that cant grasp the current situation
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Indeed ... amazing how many seemingly intelligent people fail to grasp how this virus is spreading.
 
gramps said:
Indeed ... amazing how many seemingly intelligent people fail to grasp how this virus is spreading.
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Let me amend that: Amazing how many stupid, selfish, a***holes fail to grasp how the virus is spreading and choose to interpret the guidelines to suit themselves or to totally ignore them whenever they see fit.

If we're ever in this situation again then I really do hope the virus will be genetically engineered to only infect selfish, spoilt, arrogant, ignorant people; as I firmly believe the world would be a much better place without their presence.
 
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I thought Trump sounded a bit breathless today. Given we all thought Boris was a buffoon I find it ironic we are now looking at him as our saviour and terrified he'll croak.
Obviously I hope he doesn't, under exceedingly difficult circumstances I think he's done a pretty good job.
 
Mr Badger said:
If we're ever in this situation again then I really do hope the virus will be genetically engineered to only infect selfish, spoilt, arrogant, ignorant people; as I firmly believe the world would be a much better place without their presence.
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The irony of my highlighting aside, I fail to see how anyone with the slightest ounce of compassion could wish this virus upon another human being.

IMO, that's no different from the moronic, so-called ministers of religion claiming that God sends diseases to punish people's sins.
 
DemiLion said:
The irony of my highlighting aside, I fail to see how anyone with the slightest ounce of compassion could wish this virus upon another human being.

IMO, that's no different from the moronic, so-called ministers of religion claiming that God sends diseases to punish people's sins.
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To be honest, I can't help but find your highlighting of the word arrogant somewhat ironic too.

We are now in the situation where the PM is hospitalised in an intensive care unit, NHS staff and care workers are amongst the 5,000+ UK dead... and still some people don't seem to be taking this seriously and following the stay at home guidelines.

Would someone with the slightest ounce of compassion wish to increase the chance of spreading or contracting this virus though not following the guidelines... or to prolong the misery of lockdown for others because they don't want to be inconvenienced themselves?

Fair enough if they want to risk their own lives... but it doesn't work like that does it? I do not wish ill on others, I just wish that a few more people would reap what they sow.
 
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If the only people to catch the virus were people who broke the lockdown rules then not many would break them
 
MatBin said:
Given we all thought Boris was a buffoon I find it ironic we are now looking at him as our saviour and terrified he'll croak.
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Because the multitude of talent behind him is worse?
 
tijuana taxi said:
Can only hope age is keeping IDS in confinement, worrying times indeed
His actions with welfare payments are nearly as damaging to the old and disabled as this virus
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IDS has popped up saying how much he loves Johnson (always a bad sign in politics), asserting that he will recover (due to his extensive medical knowledge no doubt) and that Dominic Raab is the Deputy Prime Minister (untrue).
 
sphexx said:
IDS has popped up saying how much he loves Johnson (always a bad sign in politics), asserting that he will recover (due to his extensive medical knowledge no doubt) and that Dominic Raab is the Deputy Prime Minister (untrue).
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The worst of the worst, that man is rotten to the core
 
gramps said:
Just saw this too ... 55 years old, a sobering warning to all.
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Just bare in mind he is under a lots of pressure and stress at the moment and that can affect the immune system,
as I said in the other thread, he is a VIP so they will be taking extra special care of him
His pregnant fiance tested positive and she is doing ok
I do actually like Boris, I don't believe he is the bumbling idiot everyone thinks he is and wish him well
 
Gremlin said:
Just bare in mind he is under a lots of pressure and stress at the moment and that can affect the immune system,
as I said in the other thread, he is a VIP so they will be taking extra special care of him
His pregnant fiance tested positive and she is doing ok
I do actually like Boris, I don't believe he is the bumbling idiot everyone thinks he is and wish him well
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Medic this morning on Sky News saying the virus was no respecter of age, initially thought to be targeting the elderly, it has now taken a high toll of younger ones, from 5 years up. It doesn't appear to have any predictable pattern, bar effective transmission. :(
 
gramps said:
Medic this morning on Sky News saying the virus was no respecter of age, initially thought to be targeting the elderly, it has now taken a high toll of younger ones, from 5 years up.
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Very sad we can only do our best to protect ourselves.
I live on an age restricted estate, over 50s, majority of the residents in both the cottages and flats are 70/80/90 yo
Last Sunday a group of them decided to sit in the centre garden round a table quite close together, and yet they do nothing but
moan about other people being out and about
Before anyone says it is a private area, many of them have family bringing shopping and others do actually shop for themselves
so any one of them could easily be infected
 
Gremlin said:
Very sad we can only do our best to protect ourselves.
I live on an age restricted estate, over 50s, majority of the residents in both the cottages and flats are 70/80/90 yo
Last Sunday a group of them decided to sit in the centre garden round a table quite close together, and yet they do nothing but
moan about other people being out and about
Before anyone says it is a private area, many of them have family bringing shopping and others do actually shop for themselves
so any one of them could easily be infected
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It's the 'It doesn't happen to me' mentality ... mind you, to many older ones isolation is, to them, worse than catching the virus!
 
gramps said:
Still getting the occasional wildlife visit, our garden is on a fox route and we just had a visit.
It sat down on the lawn so I rushed upstairs to get the camera ... typical wildlife, gone before I got to the window. :(
Another day, another fox in the city. :tumbleweed:
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Fox came again today ... heard a noise and a cat tore up the steps and across the garden followed by the fox.
Don't know whether the fox wanted to play with it, mate with it or kill it!
The cat took refuge in part of the hedge and the fox was still trying to get at it ... eventually the fox came back down the garden alone.
 
gramps said:
It's the 'It doesn't happen to me' mentality ... mind you, to many older ones isolation is, to them, worse than catching the virus!
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Yes I do appreciate isolation isn't good at any age, but many of them have moaned about people flouting the rules,
bit hypocritical , when they are doing the same and often have gatherings on their very small patios
If they kept distant from each other it wouldn't be a problem
 
Some yeas back we watched a fox carrying a white cat to the den site Roger. I have no way of knowing if the cat was killed by the fox or for example road kill. If foxes do predate cats it must be very rare but maybe just maybe that is what you saw. ? Who knows interesting though. ;)

stu
 
Stuart Philpott said:
Some yeas back we watched a fox carrying a white cat to the den site Roger. I have no way of knowing if the cat was killed by the fox or for example road kill. If foxes do predate cats it must be very rare but maybe just maybe that is what you saw. ? Who knows interesting though. ;)

stu
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I wondered that Stu, what particularly got me thinking is that there isn't going to be the discarded takeaway food available in bins etc now.
 
gramps said:
Don't know whether the fox wanted to play with it, mate with it or kill it!
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Probably kill it. Urban foxes aren't as wary of getting injured as rural ones and will attack and kill cats which rural foxes will avoid.
 
DemiLion said:
The irony of my highlighting aside, I fail to see how anyone with the slightest ounce of compassion could wish this virus upon another human being.
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However, a slow government response, a just-in-time approach to emergency service funding, a lack of learning from tabletop disaster exercises, all to pander to the voter - that's a big factor in spreading this virus to other human beings.
Wishing it on someone is bad.
Not doing what governments should do, so the virus spreads, kills. That's very bad.
 
Pound Coin said:
However, a slow government response, a just-in-time approach to emergency service funding, a lack of learning from tabletop disaster exercises, all to pander to the voter - that's a big factor in spreading this virus to other human beings.
Wishing it on someone is bad.
Not doing what governments should do, so the virus spreads, kills. That's very bad.
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That explains why we're the worst in the world for coronavirus?
It could be argued that it was a planned response, not a slow response.
The time to judge is not now, but when it's all over and all the facts and figures are available in full.
I'm sure there are plenty of countries may look back and say they should have done this or that.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
That explains why we're the worst in the world for coronavirus?
It could be argued that it was a planned response, not a slow response.
The time to judge is not now, but when it's all over and all the facts and figures are available in full.
I'm sure there are plenty of countries may look back and say they should have done this or that.
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I would imagine by then we will have moved onto something far more important to politicians!
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
That explains why we're the worst in the world for coronavirus?
It could be argued that it was a planned response, not a slow response.
The time to judge is not now, but when it's all over and all the facts and figures are available in full.
I'm sure there are plenty of countries may look back and say they should have done this or that.
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The wonderful gift of 20/20 hindsight. When it's all over I'm sure there'll be no shortage of self-professed experts telling us that if we'd done such and such the outcome would have been so much better. However, could their scenario actually have been implemented within the time-frame they suggest, and were the resources there (including public will) to actually implement it? Truth is, most likely we'll never know for sure.

Hopefully some important lessons will be learned globally, and next time something like this happens the world will be better prepared to deal with it. However, if a long time elapses before the next global pandemic (it's been over 100 years since the 1918 Spanish flue epidemic) then the world may well have changed unrecognisably again, so the lessons on how to deal with it may not be transferable.
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
That explains why we're the worst in the world for coronavirus?
It could be argued that it was a planned response, not a slow response.
The time to judge is not now, but when it's all over and all the facts and figures are available in full.
I'm sure there are plenty of countries may look back and say they should have done this or that.
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I think all countries will look at what they did and using that powerful tool called hindsight will say 'we should have done ??? differently'. I agree a planned response, but no matter what the response was it would have been wrong in the eyes of many, either to hard or too soft. As Bart Simpson would say ' you're dammed if you do and you're dammed if you don't'. I don't know which country (if any) got it right but IMHO Italy got it wrong, the US got it wrong and the UK has made mistakes, every country has made mistakes but there isn't a rule book to follow so it's a case of learn on the job and if you do something right tell others, if you do something wrong tell others not to follow suit and sort it all out when you have time.


Wuhan where the outbreak is said to have started are just about ready to start ending a severe 11 week lockdown and from what I understand from the news I have heard they have had a couple of false starts and are hoping the one on Wednesday isn't another.

It's not like they can draw from past experience is it. All they can do is adapt what knowledge they have of other viruses and hope it gives them some insight to help fight this one.

Went to the supermarket again today and what a difference, no panic buying, only empty shelves were the egg shelves and I got a dozen in stead of the usual 2 dozen. I did have to dodge a few who weren't keeping the required 2 mtr clearance. How many of these were the elderly ....... urrrr ..... none, all were 35 -50 age group & female. I've not seen the elderly doing all the things others are claiming and everyone seems to be behaving well up in the north east.
 
Mr Badger said:
The wonderful gift 20/20 hindsight. When it's all over I'm sure there'll be no shortage of self-professed experts telling us that if we'd done such and such the outcome would have been so much better. However, could their scenario actually have been implemented within the time-frame they suggest, and were the resources there (including public will) to actually implement it? Truth is, most likely we'll never know for sure.

Hopefully some important lessons will be learned globally, and next time something like this happens the world will be better prepared to deal with it. However, if a long time elapses before the next global pandemic (it's been over 100 years since the 1918 Spanish flue epidemic) then the world may well have changed unrecognisably again, so the lessons on how to deal with it may not be transferable.
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The lessons were there, both in recent Coronavirus outbreaks, and in government disaster modelling.

The problem is that the message of low tax, more personal freedom, goes against some of the steps needed to control outbreaks.
 
Nod said:
Probably kill it. Urban foxes aren't as wary of getting injured as rural ones and will attack and kill cats which rural foxes will avoid.
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Partly because rural cats know how to take care of themselves :)
 
More that urban foxes don't usually have to hunt down or fight for their supper (and cat makes a change from KFC bones...)
 
Nod said:
More that urban foxes don't usually have to hunt down or fight for their supper (and cat makes a change from KFC bones...)
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I know, animal ‘rescue’ bodies based in Leeds (I assume) release dump them in the countryside not far from me, they don’t last long :(.
 
A few years ago I looked out into the garden to see my fighting tom cat and a big fox lying about 3 ft. apart, staring at each other.

I watched until the fox slowly backed away and then ran for it.
 
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