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MatBin said:
Germany 1938/39?
Seems a good enough reason to meddle in the affairs of other countries. Extreme example I know.
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FFS. Extreme?? Yeh and pretty bloody irrelevant or have I been stereotyped because of my avatar and signature (again).:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
BRASH said:
It's certainly not for us to interfere. We can have opinions on it but really it's for the Spanish to decide if they want to keep it.
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True enough

BRASH said:
have I been stereotyped because of my avatar and signature (again).:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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But don't get me started on skin-heads :p
 
Cobra said:
True enough


But don't get me started on skin-heads :p
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How?? You've probably been duped by all the media [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] over the years like most folk who don't understand what it's all about:rolleyes:. I'll boot yer nutz yah bass:D:D:D:D:D
 
BRASH said:
............ or have I been stereotyped because of my avatar and signature (again).:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Now why on earth would that avatar lead anyone to think of anything but fluffy bunnies and marshmallows?
 
viv1969 said:
Now why on earth would that avatar lead anyone to think of anything but fluffy bunnies and marshmallows?
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I eat both - RAW:);) The occasional pussy too:giggle:
 
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How?? You've probably been duped by all the media [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] over the years like most folk who don't understand what it's all about:rolleyes:. I'll boot yer nutz yah bass:D:D:D:D:D
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PMSL. :D

You and I are of a similar age,
I lived through it all too ;)
But preferred to keep my hair for (and as) as long as possible :p
(Sadly its a loosing battle these day :( )
And I preferred a leather jacket to a cromby, two tone tonics and Doc Martins ;)
 
Cobra said:
PMSL. :D

You and I are of a similar age,
I lived through it all too ;)
But preferred to keep my hair for (and as) as long as possible :p
(Sadly its a loosing battle these day :( )
And I preferred a leather jacket to a cromby, two tone tonics and Doc Martins ;)
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Long hair, leather jackets ????? I'll deffo have to boot yer nutz. Greaser, grebo mess!!:D:D

My best petrol blue Tonic suit (bespoke, none of yer off the peg/made to measure crap) will be getting an airing tomorrow at my brothers daughters wedding. Nice white button down Ben Sherman Oxford weave shirt, pair of highly polished Royals brogues, paisley pattern cravat and matching three point fold down pocket square, yellow socks and of course a pair of 1/2 inch braces. Sharp as.;)
 
BRASH said:
Long hair, leather jackets ????? I'll deffo have to boot yer nutz. Greaser, grebo mess!!:D:D
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When you are big enough your'll be too old :D
As I said don't get me started on skin heeds :p

BRASH said:
My best petrol blue Tonic suit (bespoke, none of yer off the peg/made to measure crap) will be getting an airing tomorrow at my brothers daughters wedding. Nice white button down Ben Sherman Oxford weave shirt, pair of highly polished Royals brogues, paisley pattern cravat and matching three point fold down pocket square, yellow socks and of course a pair of 1/2 inch braces. Sharp as.;)
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Have fun :)
 
I love all the self-righteous indignation in these threads. I bet not one of the (steak-eating, leather-wearing) antis here has written to their MEP or the Spanish or French embassies. Not one of them feels strongly enough about it to wave a placard outside the amphitheatre in Nîmes or Plaza de Toros in Valencia. It's just hot air.
Feel strongly about it? Then instead of writing the usual gutless rubbish (like "I love seeing them gored"), actually DO something about it.
Unless you don't really care THAT much or course.....
Lastly for those of you that say you enjoy or would enjoy seeing the maiming or death of a fellow human being; is that the level a bull-fighting aficionado has to rise up to? One moment you pin the "barbaric" badge on bullfighting, then next moment you tell us you'd delight in seeing a man maimed. Who's barbaric?
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I love all the self-righteous indignation in these threads. I bet not one of the (steak-eating, leather-wearing) antis here has written to their MEP or the Spanish or French embassies. Not one of them feels strongly enough about it to wave a placard outside the amphitheatre in Nîmes or Plaza de Toros in Valencia. It's just hot air.
Feel strongly about it? Then instead of writing the usual gutless rubbish (like "I love seeing them gored"), actually DO something about it.
Unless you don't really care THAT much or course.....
Lastly for those of you that say you enjoy or would enjoy seeing the maiming or death of a fellow human being; is that the level a bull-fighting aficionado has to rise up to? One moment you pin the "barbaric" badge on bullfighting, then next moment you tell us you'd delight in seeing a man maimed. Who's barbaric?
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Oh do calm down dear, you'll give yourself a turn :-)
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I love all the self-righteous indignation in these threads. I bet not one of the (steak-eating, leather-wearing) antis here has written to their MEP or the Spanish or French embassies. Not one of them feels strongly enough about it to wave a placard outside the amphitheatre in Nîmes or Plaza de Toros in Valencia. It's just hot air.
Feel strongly about it? Then instead of writing the usual gutless rubbish (like "I love seeing them gored"), actually DO something about it.
Unless you don't really care THAT much or course.....
Lastly for those of you that say you enjoy or would enjoy seeing the maiming or death of a fellow human being; is that the level a bull-fighting aficionado has to rise up to? One moment you pin the "barbaric" badge on bullfighting, then next moment you tell us you'd delight in seeing a man maimed. Who's barbaric?
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What about those who do enjoy the bull fighting? How does the bull fight actually affect those who don't like it. It doesn't impinge on them at all. I'm looking forward to seeing one.
 
Didn't know they did them in Portugal too. I'm off there in September. If I get the chance I'll be taking one in too.
 
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ST4 said:
Take pictures, you'll need a long lens I reckon, 200mm plus.
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Yeh, I'll probably use the 100-400. Should cover it;)
 
BRASH said:
Didn't know they did them in Portugal too. I'm off there in September. If I get the chance I'll be taking one in too.
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Portuguese bullfighting is quite different to Spanish. I'm sure it'll be an interesting spectacle though.
 
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BRASH said:
Yeh, I'll probably use the 100-400. Should cover it;)
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I've got nothing like that gear wise, I will stock up. I mainly do landscapes/cityscapes. Perhaps a lens hire for my holiday is way to go, something upto 500mm would be ideal.

I'd be driving over in 2016 anyway, so luggage ain't an issue. The CO2 might kill a few polar bears though....;)
 
ST4 said:
I've got nothing like that gear wise, I will stock up. I mainly do landscapes/cityscapes. Perhaps a lens hire for my holiday is way to go, something upto 500mm would be ideal.

I'd be driving over in 2016 anyway, so luggage ain't an issue. The CO2 might kill a few polar bears though....;)
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Unless you are going to a huge plaza like Las Ventas in Madrid or La Real Maestranza in Sevilla a 200mm will be plenty.
 
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I've got nothing like that gear wise, I will stock up. I mainly do landscapes/cityscapes. Perhaps a lens hire for my holiday is way to go, something upto 500mm would be ideal.

I'd be driving over in 2016 anyway, so luggage ain't an issue. The CO2 might kill a few polar bears though....;)
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Bloody global warming. I blame the hippies. We should maybe pitch them against the bulls. Now I'd deffo pay to see that.:D:D
 
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Doesn't matter where they do it, it is still barbaric.
herd a bull into the ring, provike it, then stick shark spikes into its shoulders and finally when it is too exhausted and maimed to do anything about it run it through with a sword ... brave matadors???
I think not, animal torturers ... this has nothing to do with 'culture', these are the actions of a barbarous people, and as for those who watch it as a spectacle ... no doubt Christians before lions would have been equally as entertaining!
 
Some African countries have the same cultural view of FGM, though I'm not aware of it being a spectacle - do you think that should remain as it's 'cultural', 'heritage', 'customs' etc ... or do you think that it is barbaric and should be stopped?
 
Only sad people could possibly find it entertaining.
 
gramps said:
Doesn't matter where they do it, it is still barbaric.
herd a bull into the ring, provike it, then stick shark spikes into its shoulders and finally when it is too exhausted and maimed to do anything about it run it through with a sword ... brave matadors???
I think not, animal torturers ... this has nothing to do with 'culture', these are the actions of a barbarous people, and as for those who watch it as a spectacle ... no doubt Christians before lions would have been equally as entertaining!
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So what have you done to eradicate it?
 
gramps said:
Some African countries have the same cultural view of FGM, though I'm not aware of it being a spectacle - do you think that should remain as it's 'cultural', 'heritage', 'customs' etc ... or do you think that it is barbaric and should be stopped?
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Equating bullfighting with female genital mutilation is laughable Gramps. Surely even you can see that?
 
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Ricardodaforce said:
Equating bullfighting with female genital mutilation is laughable Gramps. Surely even you can see that?
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I don't think it is laughable at all, both are barbaric and actions of a backward people.
 
gramps said:
One person cannot eradicate it, however unlike you I do nothing to perpetuate it.
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That's a soft answer Gramps. The bottom line is that despite your indignation you have done NOTHING against it. Bravo you.
 
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I don't think it is laughable at all, both are barbaric and actions of a backward people.
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Ah, so compared to you the Spanish. the Sourhern French and many South American peoples are "backward". You sound like Nigel Farage!
 
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That's a soft answer Gramps. The bottom line is that despite your indignation you have done NOTHING against it. Bravo you.
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Nothing soft at all. I don't support it, pay to watch it and I speak out about it as I am doing now ... I cannot control what happens in the barbaric areas of this world - you are just deflecting criticism from something that is barbaric animal torture and that you enjoy watching.
How someone can enjoy animal torture for entertainment is beyond my understanding and nothing that you can say or do will change it from being the barbaric animal torture that it is.
 
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Ah, so compared to you the Spanish. the Sourhern French and many South American peoples are "backward". You sound like Nigel Farage!
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Don't care who I sound like, anyone who enjoys seeing animals tortured is wanting in morality.
 
gramps said:
Nothing soft at all. I don't support it, pay to watch it and I speak out about it as I am doing now ... I cannot control what happens in the barbaric areas of this world - you are just deflecting criticism from something that is barbaric animal torture and that you enjoy watching.
How someone can enjoy animal torture for entertainment is beyond my understanding and nothing that you can say or do will change it from being the barbaric animal torture that it is.
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As I said, you have done NOTHING against it.
 
gramps said:
Don't care who I sound like, anyone who enjoys seeing animals tortured is wanting in morality.
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Thing is Gramps, but in this instance you really have no idea what you are talking about. No one goes to a corrida de toros because they enjoy "seeing animals tortured" (yes we'll use your own words). They go to see something of which you are totally clueless. They go to see the skill and artistry of the torero. In fact the crowds petition to allow particularly brave bulls walk free, which they do. If the torero fails to kill the bull quickly and cleanly the air is full of whistling and cat-calls. Contrary to what you say (from the ignorance of never attending nor knowing nothing about bullfighting) those "backward" people actually do vocalise their displeasure and seeing the estocada (the final bit) done badly.
 
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