OSX 10.9 hits the fan

arad85 said:
Well... it comes cross that way :p
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Whereas others doughy eyes for alternate products never does ;) :p

I am a big fan based on my experiences over the past 6 or 7 years use, however I once owned a Nikon & a Canon, and now I have a Fuji... So I now there's always alternatives out there...for everything :)
 
wibbly said:
Whereas others doughy eyes for alternate products never does ;) :p
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I think you may be mistaking me for someone else :p You'll find I have wandering eyes which scan Windows as well as ESXi, FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Mint, CentOS and Debian (yes, there really are machines running these somewhere in the house right now).... in fact, I'm far more at home on a Linux command line than elsewhere and use whatever is most appropriate for the task at hand. I don't use Macs as, IMHO, OSX doesn't integrate well with other platforms and I don't like the UI or closed environment on offer. I also don't use any form of *nix as a day to day UI as I keep finding bugs in the window managers and the lack of applications on the platforms is a pain (the OS's are stable as a rock mind you).

On the other hand, I believe I have enough of an understanding of both the strengths and weaknesses of the main platforms and only ever make glib statements like "My Windows PCs just work" when others do the same for Mac or Linux based OS - simply to prove the point. There are enough sys admins here who deal with both and will tell you that Macs don't "just work" and they are about as reliable as PCs. Choose the one you want to use, and be happy, but take the rose tinted glasses off before making sweeping statements as your superiority is misplaced....
 
arad85 said:
I think you may be mistaking me for someone else :p You'll find I have wandering eyes which scan Windows as well as ESXi, FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Mint, CentOS and Debian (yes, there really are machines running these somewhere in the house right now).... in fact, I'm far more at home on a Linux command line than elsewhere and use whatever is most appropriate for the task at hand. I don't use Macs as, IMHO, OSX doesn't integrate well with other platforms and I don't like the UI or closed environment on offer. I also don't use any form of *nix as a day to day UI as I keep finding bugs in the window managers and the lack of applications on the platforms is a pain (the OS's are stable as a rock mind you).

On the other hand, I believe I have enough of an understanding of both the strengths and weaknesses of the main platforms and only ever make glib statements like "My Windows PCs just work" when others do the same for Mac or Linux based OS - simply to prove the point. There are enough sys admins here who deal with both and will tell you that Macs don't "just work" and they are about as reliable as PCs. Choose the one you want to use, and be happy, but take the rose tinted glasses off before making sweeping statements as your superiority is misplaced....
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Wow, that's quite a sermon especially considering my comment wasn't aimed at you. :D

Anyway, I'll stick to my misplaced superiority, thanks. :)
 
daugirdas said:
Updated my mac 5 days ago and already had 3 major system crashes in Windows 98 style (something like it freezes, goes to white screen of death and reboots, or fails to wake up from sleep and reboots)

Anyone else suffer from this?

I have phoned apple, but they seem to suggest maybe it is just a one off. I also reported it to their bugzilla, but would want to find out if there is anything in particular that could be done.

Next time I shall not upgrade anything until it is more mature and hopefully at x.0.2 or x.0.1
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No can't say that I've noticed any of that. I've been running Beta's since July 2013 for development purposes and haven't come across anything like that. I just did an upgrade in place....

Did you upgrade and existing system? Did you check/verify your permissions? Have you run a hardware diagnostics? Have you got anything plugged in the USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt ports that you can remove to try and isolate? Those kind of crashes in my experience are either hardware failure related, or you have a kernel extension installed for something specific (any iSCSI perhaps?), or you are running some software utility which tries to bypass the standard API's and hooks into accessibility or human interface hooks to get its stuff done.

Check you startupitems in \system\library and also in ~\library. Plus in ~\library check your launchagents. And don't forget to check the Safari extension. You may want to disable them and enable one by one if there are any unfamiliar ones in there.
 
dejongj said:
No can't say that I've noticed any of that. I've been running Beta's since July 2013 for development purposes and haven't come across anything like that. I just did an upgrade in place....

Did you upgrade and existing system? Did you check/verify your permissions? Have you run a hardware diagnostics? Have you got anything plugged in the USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt ports that you can remove to try and isolate? Those kind of crashes in my experience are either hardware failure related, or you have a kernel extension installed for something specific (any iSCSI perhaps?), or you are running some software utility which tries to bypass the standard API's and hooks into accessibility or human interface hooks to get its stuff done.

Check you startupitems in \system\library and also in ~\library. Plus in ~\library check your launchagents. And don't forget to check the Safari extension. You may want to disable them and enable one by one if there are any unfamiliar ones in there.
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Thanks for reply. Did you use a display over Thunderbolt port specifically? I had checked all of these places, made sure they are clean. I am very certain I have isolated the issue to my Dell being OFF before system wake up from sleep. I left it on for the last week and it hasn't crashed again. Could you comment on that?
 
daugirdas said:
Thanks for reply. Did you use a display over Thunderbolt port specifically? I had checked all of these places, made sure they are clean. I am very certain I have isolated the issue to my Dell being OFF before system wake up from sleep. I left it on for the last week and it hasn't crashed again. Could you comment on that?
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It could be, I did read somewhere else about a display and thunderbolt issue. Whilst I use my thunderbolt port to connect to my Dell 30" monitor, it is actually using a display port cable to make the connection and not thunderbolt. But using display port yes it does wake from sleep when the screen is off.
 
dejongj said:
It could be, I did read somewhere else about a display and thunderbolt issue. Whilst I use my thunderbolt port to connect to my Dell 30" monitor, it is actually using a display port cable to make the connection and not thunderbolt. But using display port yes it does wake from sleep when the screen is off.
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So that's pretty similar to my setup. What is your mac by the way? It could be model or year specific perhaps?
 
i've had a couple of freezes couldn't end the program any of the usual ways and just "pulled the plug" :lol: also my livedrive keeps asking to "upgrade" every time i turn my computer on then ends saying upgrade unsuccessful :bonk:
 
No software is perfect or trouble free especially OS's. I have had problems upgrading to some versions of OSX in the past, my 15in 2010 MBP had the logging in issue with Lion but this time other than the mail crashing on searching its going really well. Its only on my 13in 2012 Air at the moment not upgraded on the MBP because of the Pages issues. Oh and I have a WD networked drive thats running fine, although its not my backup drive.

Steve
 
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daugirdas said:
So that's pretty similar to my setup. What is your mac by the way? It could be model or year specific perhaps?
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My daily machine with the thunderbolt connection is a 2013 MBA Haswell with i7, 8Gg RAM and 512Gb SSD
 
Been running since launch day using an upgrade, not a clean install. Rebooted once because it kernel panicked and restart. Dodgey Thunderbolt cable is all. No issues at all. The best OS thy've bought out since Snow Leopard for sure, maybe even since Tiger. Super good.
 
This is why you don't install major software updates on day 1 of release. Wait a month or so for the patched version.
 
I have 10.9 and no problems
 
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