One for the guy's, do you put more effort into the "up stroke" or "down stroke"?

[Cobra]

Chris , you should know by now if you want a really thorough job doing quickly you should pay a professional - try to get one that knows what they are doing though, not one of these i'll do whatever you want for 50 quid types

Actually, its bob a job week here, is that where I went wrong?

 

[big soft moose]

well if you will insist on selecting the service by price you can't be surprised when you wind up with white blobs all over the carpet, and in your hair

 

[viv1969]

Chris , you should know by now if you want a really thorough job doing quickly you should pay a professional - try to get one that knows what they are doing though, not one of these i'll do whatever you want for 50 quid types

That explains a lot about your early 20s Pete

 

[big soft moose]

Hey if you want to get really realy good at something there's no harm in paying a professional to teach you the skills - of course others among us might prefer to get a cowboy in

 

[viv1969]

Hey if you want to get really realy good at something there's no harm in paying a professional to teach you the skills - of course others among us might prefer to get a cowboy in

Being an expert at taking antibiotics isn't somthing to brag about

 

[big soft moose]

One of the things you learn early is to use appropriate PPE even though it can be difficult to get XL sizes everywhere

 

[Cobra]

well if you will insist on selecting the service by price you can't be surprised when you wind up with white blobs all over the carpet, and in your hair

Its a bloody good job my carpet is on the throw away list, that's all I can say.

Hey if you want to get really realy good at something there's no harm in paying a professional to teach you the skills -

And are you really really good Pete?

 

[big soft moose]

Definitely - my skills couldn't be better , men want to be me, ladies want to be with me .....................................................when it comes to a swift touch up job I can't be beaten

 

[Cobra]

Yeah I got that, Pete, so how many *professionals*
Did you need to hire to hone your skills?

 

[big soft moose]

I find its best to find one you get on with and have repeat sessions, if they really get something out of it they'll sometimes waive the fee

 

[Cobra]

I find its best to find one you get on with and have repeat sessions, if they really get something out of it they'll sometimes waive the fee

There speaks the voice of true experience

 

[Nod]

Back on topic...

Yes, trade paints generally are better than consumer ones. Depending on the surface, it's all in the technique - break things like panelled doors down into sections and do one section at a time (unless you're extremely ambidextrous!). Single panel doors are a royal PITA and often best unhung and painted on trestles rather than while vertical, although tha can result in dust settling on he flat surface. If the carpet's on the sling list, take it up before you start to avoid hairy deposits on the skirting (Bill Clinton, take heed!) Oh, get the gripper rods up too - they bite! (Yes, it's a little extra expense but you'll probably find that the carpet fitter won't charge extra for it and fitting - it'll probably have been added into the original quote and if it's not needed, it's a nice little earner for the fitter [well, his boss!])
With all decorating, good preparation is key. Give all the old paintwork a good tickle with sand/glass paper and dust it off with a brush dedicated to the job, then wipe all the surfaces to be painted down with a tack cloth. Undercoat until any old colour isn't visible then gloss after a final tickle and dust off. Then sit back and enjoy watching it dry!!! Keep all pets out of the house for as long as possible - they WILL find the wet bit and they WILL brush up against it and that WILL result in swearing and hairs stuck to the beautiful new paint job.
Yes, I could be persuaded to do the job for you but you can't afford my prices!!! (Actually, I couldn't be persuaded to do the job - a few years at it has left me with an abiding hatred of it but I am bloody good at it!)

 

[neil_g]

Are you doing what the decorators of our current rented house did and just slap new paint over old?

I swear our banister is an inch thicker than it started out.

 

[Cobra]

Back on topic...

Why?
The carpet will get slung eventually,
but for now I cut off 6" all the way around the edges,
and vacuumed like a demented thing to remove the crap.
No pets thankfully.
And its only skirting boards and door frames that are being painted.
(Jeeze can you imagine trying to paint doors with this crap?)
All the doors and banisters are stained wood.

Are you doing what the decorators of our current rented house did and just slap new paint over old?

I swear our banister is an inch thicker than it started out.

Everything was rubbed down, with sandpaper, then wet & Dry.
Then sugar soaped and rinsed thoroughly.

 

[Nod]

That'll do the job, Chris! Leaves something more comfortable than bare boards to scoot around the skirting too!

Many is the time we finished a job only to find that someone (usually the kids...) let Felix and Fido in and they brushed against all the door frames and doors... At least things like that were legitimate extras even on a priced job rather than day rate.

Why back on topic? Because it was 20 past 3 and I wanted to be asleep! No sense of smell that early so missed the spices and cured pork.

We always rubbed back as far as possible on door edges to avoid them sticking. A final stroke with acetic acid would finish things nicely.

 

[Cg_Girl]

What's the wet and dry do?
I've just been lightly sanding mine and that's it! Eek

 

[Nod]

TBH, most of the time, wet and dry after a tickle isn't worth the extra effort unless you're using crappy one coat weewee paint that shows the sanding scratches. A tickle with some worn sandpaper to give the new paint a rough surface to grip on to should be enough.

 

[Cg_Girl]

No not crappy wee paint it's satinwood stuff, originally I got homebase own version but even after 3 months you walk past one of the bedroom doors and it still reeks badly of paint

 

[viv1969]

.....it still reeks badly of paint

That's' cause it's paint

 

[Cg_Girl]

That's' cause it's paint

Shush girl! It shouldn't smell still lol

 

[Cobra]

That'll do the job, Chris! Leaves something more comfortable than bare boards to scoot around the skirting too!

Absolutely actually its a concrete floor so all the more necessary

We always rubbed back as far as possible on door edges to avoid them sticking. A final stroke with acetic acid would finish things nicely.

That's a new one on me?

What's the wet and dry do?
I've just been lightly sanding mine and that's it! Eek

As Nod said, gives a really smooth finish to the sanding.
Not really a necessity but I just felt like doing it

Shush girl! It shouldn't smell still lol

Actually no, it shouldn't.
It has dried properly I take it?
Put a finger nail somewhere inconspicuous and gently try and lift the paint.
If it does then there is something, in the coat "underneath" stopping the paint drying properly,
and it will remain "soft"
(It shouldn't lift or stick to you nail BTW)

If its just the one door frame, and it fails the nail test.
I'd be inclined to srip it right back and start again (Sorry )

 

[terryuk]

what paint are you using as most oil based paints now take longer to go off than a few years ago due to the voc
i am guessing at a water based satinwood as that would require no undercoat

 

[Cobra]

what paint are you using as most oil based paints now take longer to go off than a few years ago due to the voc
i am guessing at a water based satinwood as that would require no undercoat

You are correct and I am on my 3rd coat, on the door frames / skirting as well

 

[Lynton]

F**K painting.. did that once in the hall a few years back. The good lady wife told me I was doing it wrong... (Light green satin silky shyte paint).... "I can see brush strokes" - I put the brush down, said a few rude words, got changed and went to play golf... 5 hours later , her 2 uncles had painted it, and it looked just as crap, if not crappier...

 

[terryuk]

You are correct and I am on my 3rd coat, on the door frames / skirting as well

Seeing as you were going over a deep red you should have used an undercoat as that would have blotted the red out
Oil based satin wood is quite nice to use rather than the water based alternative and gives a far better finish

 

[Nod]

Nod said: ↑
We always rubbed back as far as possible on door edges to avoid them sticking. A final stroke with acetic acid would finish things nicely.
Click to expand...

Then Cobra said:
That's a new one on me?

Rub back the door edges since paint tends to build up on them causing sticking. Acetic acid = vinegar... Cf. vinegar stroke...

 

[Cg_Girl]

Chuckle!






As an edit... Nod my paint is dry, doesn't come away nor is it soft.. It smells on all woodwork in that bedroom but the actually door is the strongest, was no paint underneath as it was a new but basic wood door.....
I'll certainly have to re paint arghhhhhh

Sorry Chris for hijacking your stroking issues

 

[2blue4u]

I can confirm what Nod says. There's a world of difference between 'trade' Dulux and B&Q Dulux.

 

[Cobra]

said a few rude words, got changed and went to play golf... 5 hours later , her 2 uncles had painted it, and it looked just as crap, if not crappier...

I like your thinking, although there are 2 flaws in that, I have no uncles, nor do I play golf.
But apart from that

Seeing as you were going over a deep red you should have used an undercoat as that would have blotted the red out

That was my thinking but I read somewhere about not undercoating
Oh well you live and learn, two coats down and one to go by the looks of things

Rub back the door edges since paint tends to build up on them causing sticking. Acetic acid = vinegar... Cf. vinegar stroke...

Ah yes of course, irony was was wasted on me, on that one

Chuckle!
As an edit... Nod my paint is dry, doesn't come away nor is it soft..
Sorry Chris for hijacking your stroking issues

Hi-jack away
BTW it was me that suggested "testing" the paint.
Seems wierd that it still smells after all that time though.

I can confirm what Nod says. There's a world of difference between 'trade' Dulux and B&Q Dulux.

Thanks

 

[Cg_Girl]

Chris sorry yes you did, it's the way the quotes work on my phone, for example if you quote nod and me it looks like i am nod, infact if you multi quote anyone they all become the same person, it's damn annoying lol and quite a few times i've gone to comment and realised i've got the wrong person..

but as for the paint, yes it is, i wondered if it was because it was oil based but come to the conclusion it was just homebases own and naff

 

[Cobra]

Chris sorry yes you did, it's the way the quotes work on my phone, for example if you quote nod and me it looks like i am nod, infact if you multi quote anyone they all become the same person, it's damn annoying lol and quite a few times i've gone to comment and realised i've got the wrong person..

but as for the paint, yes it is, i wondered if it was because it was oil based but come to the conclusion it was just homebases own and naff

That's OK T
Oil based shouldn't make any difference TBH.
But you said "bare wood".
Sometimes oil (sap / resin ) leaches from new wood and re-acts badly with the paint.
You should really seal new wood. even on "one coat" paint.

 

[Cg_Girl]

That's OK T
Oil based shouldn't make any difference TBH.
But you said "bare wood".
Sometimes oil (sap / resin ) leaches from new wood and re-acts badly with the paint.
You should really seal new wood. even on "one coat" paint.

Eek glad it was only one door! i have a few that need doing so what should i seal it with? if that's not too much of a stupid question?

 

[Cobra]

As that one is painted, you're a bit screwed as the saying goes.
Its only for bare wood.
But if I understand you correctly, you have more bare wood ones to do?
There are loads of primer / sealers on the market.
Check out Homebase / B&Q etc
And do that first.

I don't really know what to suggest with the "other one" apart from,
either strip it back with Nitromors etc (Paint stripper)
to bare with wood and prime it. (Thats a bloody messy job)
The paint bubbles up and you have to scrape it off with a scraper,
but it will burn you, so make sure you are well protected,
and keep it well away from kids!
or give it a really good sanding down, and try again.

Maybe someone else will be a long with a better solution?

 

[Cg_Girl]

Thanks Chris, i guess another Homebase trip is in order, i'm kinda hoping if i sand the door and paint it again with non skinky paint it will work........ fingers crossed!

really don't want to go down the nitromorse stuff, have used it before and yes it is messy and everything..

 

[Cobra]

Thanks Chris, i guess another Homebase trip is in order, i'm kinda hoping if i sand the door and paint it again with non skinky paint it will work........ fingers crossed!

Good luck T I hope the does the trick, fingers crossed

Yep that stuff is a bloody nightmare
I hate it too!
Just sometimes needs must

 

[DorsetDude]

Is this the right place to ask what a "soapy twist dulux" is?

 

[viv1969]

Is this the right place to ask what a "soapy twist dulux" is?

Sounds like there might be dedicated sites for that....be sure and confirm you're over 18 when viewing though

 

[Nod]

Is this the right place to ask what a "soapy twist dulux" is?

Sounds like a good rub down by hand with a pleasing creamy finish.

 

[viv1969]

Sounds like a good rub down by hand with a pleasing creamy finish.

!!!!!! Coffee to keyboard interface!

 

[Nod]

My work here is done!!!