Olympus OM-D E-M5, E-M1, E-M10 - Mk1, Mk2 & Mk3 Owners Thread

Without knowing the exact circumstances of use , it’s hard to define .. I.e has your friend changed something in the menu and forgotten to mention it .. it’s rare for one to just cease working without a cause
Yes that was what I wondered and I can't believe it has just died after being faultless for me. He definitely has been playing in the menus, but I can't think of anything that would turn everything black and he can see nothing through the viewfinder or on screen.

I thought he might have turned the super panel off, but pressing the info button usually toggles the display whatever you are doing. He says it's absolutely dead.

He's tried recharging battery (all OEM), taking out SD card. He's now tried it with the new (secondhand) lens off. The only thing left is to try a different battery which he doesn't have - but our other friend does. Hopefully he can meet up with him later today. I've told him I will refund him. It's all been a disappointing experience for both of us.
 
Ok daft question time.......

If he (inadvertently) set it so that the EVF is image only i.e. no 'display' and left the lens cap on it could result in nothing visible in the viewfinder.

If when handling it he has his hand over the EVF that will mean the rear screen(depending on menu settings) is black.
 
He went out and tried it with a friend's lens on it and it was fine, and today he bought a second hand lens and put that on it. He has spent some time setting it up for birds in flight and it has just died on him.
Could it be that the lens needs further investigation ... has it bricked the camera?
 
I’m tending to think it’s something along the lines of having turned the screen off as well there’s a button that switches it on off .. and if you don’t don’t fully understand olympus it’s easily done . If he had put it into silent mode as well it would give the impression of being dead ..
 
Could it be that the lens needs further investigation ... has it bricked the camera?
It doesn't now work with the lens off, but I must confess, this is my fear! He borrowed a lens before he managed to buy one, and it was working then.

Ok daft question time.......

If he (inadvertently) set it so that the EVF is image only i.e. no 'display' and left the lens cap on it could result in nothing visible in the viewfinder.

If when handling it he has his hand over the EVF that will mean the rear screen(depending on menu settings) is black.
I’m tending to think it’s something along the lines of having turned the screen off as well there’s a button that switches it on off .. and if you don’t don’t fully understand olympus it’s easily done . If he had put it into silent mode as well it would give the impression of being dead ..
I've been playing with my Em1iii this morning to see if I could find a way to make everything black, but if you press the review button it should still show an image - if there is one there of course.

I will mention to him about holding your hand over the viewfinder, good call!... although I may well have had it on one of the other modes. Mind you, I don't know what he changed.

I wanted to FaceTime him to see exactly what he was doing, but he is at work now. I am hoping that it is this battery problem that others have mentioned, but it is so strange that it has never happened with me.

Thanks everyone for your help - I''ll let you know if I ever solve the mystery. Any other suggestions always welcome of course.

Pressing menu and looking through the viewfinder should always bring up the menu shouldn't it?
 
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It doesn't now work with the lens off, but I must confess, this is my fear! He borrowed a lens before he managed to buy one, and it was working then.
I would certainly get that checked before agreeing a refund, it worked with you and it worked with him ... until he fitted the used lens, unless I am missing something,
 
It doesn't now work with the lens off, but I must confess, this is my fear! He borrowed a lens before he managed to buy one, and it was working then.



I've been playing with my Em1iii this morning to see if I could find a way to make everything black, but if you press the review button it should still show an image - if there is one there of course.

I will mention to him about holding your hand over the viewfinder, good call!... although I may well have had it on one of the other modes. Mind you, I don't know what he changed.

I wanted to FaceTime him to see exactly what he was doing, but he is at work now. I am hoping that it is this battery problem that others have mentioned, but it is so strange that it has never happened with me.

Thanks everyone for your help - I''ll let you know if I ever solve the mystery. Any other suggestions always welcome of course.

Pressing menu and looking through the viewfinder should always bring up the menu shouldn't it?
You said he had set it up for birding ? So probably invoked silent shutter , so he can’t hear it if at the same time he has turned off the screen by accident and also the ovf it will to all intents and purposes appear dead especially if the screen is turned outwards . The screen button Has a little square symbol on it it’s near the viewfinder get him to press that .. I really don’t think it’s either the battery or lens ,simply inexperienced user error
 
OK so more thoughts on the OM-1 having played with it at lunchtime at our local nature reserve near work.

The new AF system is frankly amazing. I had it set to Bird detect with cross centre cluster (no tracking), and even tiny song birds quite a distance away (that even with the 300mm F4 and severely cropping would still be very small in the frame), the OM-1 picked them up instantly and draw a box round them and even (where possible), picked up the eye. I took nearly 500 shots (trying out the different drive modes), and I would say 90-95% of them are tack sharp. Is the AF system perfect and infallible - no, there were just a couple of instance where I had to override the focus to get it to lock onto a bird but that was very few and far between. But compared to my EM1-X and EM1 III, it's on a totally different level.

Is it as good as the best of the rest (i.e. Sony A1, A9 II, Nikon Z9 or Canon R6) ? I honestly don't know as I've never used them, but if they are appreciably better they must be perfect AF systems as the OM-1 has set the bar very high indeed (and not just in the micro four thirds world). It will be interesting to see them tested with the OM-1 in any future reviews. Also, when locking onto a subject the AF is pretty much instant and snaps to the subject in a micro second. I didn't get the opportunity to fully check it for BIF, other than a couple of magpies, but what I did try it picked them up and tracked them perfectly, but obviously with smaller quicker birds it remains to be seen.

Handling overall is very good to excellent, but I do like my battery grips (or EM1-X) when shooting with longer lenses, so can't wait for my HLD10 battery grip to arrive.

Battery life (so far) is astounding. As I said I took nearly 500 shots, as well as lots of chimping and messing with settings etc in my hours play, and the battery dropped from 100% down to only 91% (and again, that's on first full charge of the battery)! Now I have to caveat that by saying at least 60% of them were shot in high drive modes (10 or 25fps) and so that definitely helps, but even so !

Any finally an anomaly. The patch where I shoot mainly at the nature reserve is in a public wooden hide overlooking an opening in the dense trees that see's no direct sunlight. I've shot here for 20 years or more with all my cameras and noticed something interesting. When I shot with my EM1-X today because the area is relatively dark with no sunlight and the weather was overcast cloud, my ISO's were typically in the 3200-4000 range (its capped at ISO4000 on my EM1-X). However when I switched to the OM-1 and shot very similar scenes towards the same tress and feeders etc. from exactly the same spot, my ISO's were typically only 800-1600 on the OM-1. When I compared images and histograms on the back of the cameras they both looked very similar, same aperture and shutter speeds etc, but the ISO's on the OM1 were consistently between 1-1½ stops lower ? Not sure what's going on here, and obviously that's not a very scientific test so more to follow.

Again, that's it for now. I'll process some of the images I shot today later on tonight and see how they look on a computer monitor.
 
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@Sootchucker Thanks for sharing your first thoughts.

I'm not a fan of the menu button being top left either. Canon have done the same. Af sounds promising!
.... I'm a big fan of the Menu button moving from the bottom left on my M1X to being more instantly accessible by my lefthand thumb at the top.
 
OK so more thoughts on the OM-1 having played with it at lunchtime at our local nature reserve near work.

The new AF system is frankly amazing. I had it set to Bird detect with cross centre cluster (no tracking), and even tiny song birds quite a distance away (that even with the 300mm F4 and severely cropping would still be very small in the frame), the OM-1 picked them up instantly and draw a box round them and even (where possible), picked up the eye. I took nearly 500 shots (trying out the different drive modes), and I would say 90-95% of them are tack sharp. Is the AF system perfect and infallible - no, there were just a couple of instance where I had to override the focus to get it to lock onto a bird but that was very few and far between. But compared to my EM1-X and EM1 III, it's on a totally different level.

Is it as good as the best of the rest (i.e. Sony A1, A9 II, Nikon Z9 or Canon R6) ? I honestly don't know as I've never used them, but if they are appreciably better they must be perfect AF systems as the OM-1 has set the bar very high indeed (and not just in the micro four thirds world). It will be interesting to see them tested with the OM-1 in any future reviews. Also, when locking onto a subject the AF is pretty much instant and snaps to the subject in a micro second. I didn't get the opportunity to fully check it for BIF, other than a couple of magpies, but what I did try it picked them up and tracked them perfectly, but obviously with smaller quicker birds it remains to be seen.

Handling overall is very good to excellent, but I do like my battery grips (or EM1-X) when shooting with longer lenses, so can't wait for my HLD10 battery grip to arrive.

Battery life (so far) is astounding. As I said I took nearly 500 shots, as well as lots of chimping and messing with settings etc in my hours play, and the battery dropped from 100% down to only 91% (and again, that's on first full charge of the battery)! Now I have to caveat that by saying at least 60% of them were shot in high drive modes (10 or 25fps) and so that definitely helps, but even so !

Any finally an anomaly. The patch where I shoot mainly at the nature reserve is in a public wooden hide overlooking an opening in the dense trees that see's no direct sunlight. I've shot here for 20 years or more with all my cameras and noticed something interesting. When I shot with my EM1-X today because the area is relatively dark with no sunlight and the weather was overcast cloud, my ISO's were typically in the 3200-4000 range (its capped at ISO4000 on my EM1-X). However when I switched to the OM-1 and shot very similar scenes towards the same tress and feeders etc. from exactly the same spot, by ISO's were typically only 800-1600 on the OM-1. When I compared images and histograms on the back of the cameras they both looked very similar, same aperture and shutter speeds etc, but the ISO's on the OM1 were consistently between 1-1½ stops lower ? Not sure what's going on here, and obviously that's not a very scientific test so more to follow.

Again, that's it for now. I'll process some of the images I shot today later on tonight and see how they look on a computer monitor.
.... All this is music to my ears! A very helpful and confidence building update on your first findings (y):)(y)

I'm about to do my initial basic settings to match my M1X and then hope to shoot later this afternoon.
 
Have to say the autofocus performance was my main motivation for changing.
Any improvements in sensor performance are welcome but are secondary for me.
And whilst I think about it the improved blackout free EVF is also important.
 
OK so more thoughts on the OM-1 having played with it at lunchtime at our local nature reserve near work.

The new AF system is frankly amazing. I had it set to Bird detect with cross centre cluster (no tracking), and even tiny song birds quite a distance away (that even with the 300mm F4 and severely cropping would still be very small in the frame), the OM-1 picked them up instantly and draw a box round them and even (where possible), picked up the eye. I took nearly 500 shots (trying out the different drive modes), and I would say 90-95% of them are tack sharp. Is the AF system perfect and infallible - no, there were just a couple of instance where I had to override the focus to get it to lock onto a bird but that was very few and far between. But compared to my EM1-X and EM1 III, it's on a totally different level.

Is it as good as the best of the rest (i.e. Sony A1, A9 II, Nikon Z9 or Canon R6) ? I honestly don't know as I've never used them, but if they are appreciably better they must be perfect AF systems as the OM-1 has set the bar very high indeed (and not just in the micro four thirds world). It will be interesting to see them tested with the OM-1 in any future reviews. Also, when locking onto a subject the AF is pretty much instant and snaps to the subject in a micro second. I didn't get the opportunity to fully check it for BIF, other than a couple of magpies, but what I did try it picked them up and tracked them perfectly, but obviously with smaller quicker birds it remains to be seen.

Handling overall is very good to excellent, but I do like my battery grips (or EM1-X) when shooting with longer lenses, so can't wait for my HLD10 battery grip to arrive.

Battery life (so far) is astounding. As I said I took nearly 500 shots, as well as lots of chimping and messing with settings etc in my hours play, and the battery dropped from 100% down to only 91% (and again, that's on first full charge of the battery)! Now I have to caveat that by saying at least 60% of them were shot in high drive modes (10 or 25fps) and so that definitely helps, but even so !

Any finally an anomaly. The patch where I shoot mainly at the nature reserve is in a public wooden hide overlooking an opening in the dense trees that see's no direct sunlight. I've shot here for 20 years or more with all my cameras and noticed something interesting. When I shot with my EM1-X today because the area is relatively dark with no sunlight and the weather was overcast cloud, my ISO's were typically in the 3200-4000 range (its capped at ISO4000 on my EM1-X). However when I switched to the OM-1 and shot very similar scenes towards the same tress and feeders etc. from exactly the same spot, by ISO's were typically only 800-1600 on the OM-1. When I compared images and histograms on the back of the cameras they both looked very similar, same aperture and shutter speeds etc, but the ISO's on the OM1 were consistently between 1-1½ stops lower ? Not sure what's going on here, and obviously that's not a very scientific test so more to follow.

Again, that's it for now. I'll process some of the images I shot today later on tonight and see how they look on a computer monitor.
Nice review. I’d be interested to know what the AF is like with subjects moving towards the camera at speed as this is where it can catch AF systems out.

Very odd about the exposure settings, something seems amiss there as exposures should be consistent no matter what system you are using. OK granted it might be 1/3 stop difference here and there but not 2 stops.
 
Nice review. I’d be interested to know what the AF is like with subjects moving towards the camera at speed as this is where it can catch AF systems out.

Very odd about the exposure settings, something seems amiss there as exposures should be consistent no matter what system you are using. OK granted it might be 1/3 stop difference here and there but not 2 stops.
Exposure would also be based on the sensitivity of the sensor which is playing a part I would expect. Im sure I read somewhere the new sensor is more sensitive to light being a back lit stacked version.
 
Exposure would also be based on the sensitivity of the sensor which is playing a part I would expect. Im sure I read somewhere the new sensor is more sensitive to light being a back lit stacked version.
That’s why we have ISO so that there is a standard. Larger sensors will gather more light just because of sheer size, but the intensity of light on each pixel is the same regardless of sensor size.

Back lighting may be playing a part, but it shouldn’t do as then it throws all the standardisation off, plus I’m not aware that Sony back lit sensors have affected ISOs but I haven’t done a side by side test (y)
 
That’s why we have ISO so that there is a standard. Larger sensors will gather more light just because of sheer size, but the intensity of light on each pixel is the same regardless of sensor size.

Back lighting may be playing a part, but it shouldn’t do as then it throws all the standardisation off, plus I’m not aware that Sony back lit sensors have affected ISOs but I haven’t done a side by side test (y)
It would be interesting to see if there is any difference, the new sensor does gather more light hence the higher iso capability but as you say the ISO standard should come into play to correct any differences for setting up.
 
Not sure about the ISO thing but I know there are different standards for measurement of ISO. I've seen some years ago on the Photos to Photons site, that on some of the older OM-D cameras say at ISO3200 on an Olympus camera equated to say ISO1600 on another camera and it was all because each manufacturer used differing ISO standards (i.e. ISO SOS and/or ISO REI standards) - perhaps that has something to do with it ?
 
An update on the mysterious dead camera. It turns out he had accidentally switched the function lever, and the function lever had somehow been set to control power :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: I can't tell you how relieved we both are.

I'm pretty sure I've never set the function lever to power, so would never have thought of that. He noticed that a light came on when he pressed the AEL button ( set up for back button focusing), and he worked out it was something to do with the lever. I got him to go through the menus and sure enough it was set to power the camera.

He had taken it to LCE and the guy there apparently had said to him he gets quite a few people coming back saying their camera isn't working and it's because they've set the function lever to something.
Mystery solved!
 
Great news Bebop
 
An update on the mysterious dead camera. It turns out he had accidentally switched the function lever, and the function lever had somehow been set to control power :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: I can't tell you how relieved we both are.

I'm pretty sure I've never set the function lever to power, so would never have thought of that. He noticed that a light came on when he pressed the AEL button ( set up for back button focusing), and he worked out it was something to do with the lever. I got him to go through the menus and sure enough it was set to power the camera.

He had taken it to LCE and the guy there apparently had said to him he gets quite a few people coming back saying their camera isn't working and it's because they've set the function lever to something.
Mystery solved!
Phew, I was wondering how this would turn out, all good ;)
 
Not sure about the ISO thing but I know there are different standards for measurement of ISO. I've seen some years ago on the Photos to Photons site, that on some of the older OM-D cameras say at ISO3200 on an Olympus camera equated to say ISO1600 on another camera and it was all because each manufacturer used differing ISO standards (i.e. ISO SOS and/or ISO REI standards) - perhaps that has something to do with it ?
I took my Olympus Em1iii with the 40-150 f/2.8 along with my Canon 5D4 70-200 f/2.8 for a paid job shooting football under floodlights. At the beginning of the match it wasn't dark and I was able to use the Oly, but it soon went in the bag when the light went.
Both cameras were set up with auto ISO and I noticed that for the same settings the Oly was giving lower ISO settings than the Canon. I assumed it was to do with how the camera metered, or the characteristics of the lenses. It wasn't scientific at all, but surprised me. I always intended to check it out later, but I never did.
 
Great news Bebop
Phew, I was wondering how this would turn out, all good ;)
I can't tell you how relieved I am. It's been a horrible time for us both trying to work it out.

I had another friend locally who wanted to buy it too and I was so wishing I had sold it to her. At least I could have gone round and helped if there were any issues instead of sorting it remotely.
 
An update on the mysterious dead camera. It turns out he had accidentally switched the function lever, and the function lever had somehow been set to control power :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: I can't tell you how relieved we both are.

I'm pretty sure I've never set the function lever to power, so would never have thought of that. He noticed that a light came on when he pressed the AEL button ( set up for back button focusing), and he worked out it was something to do with the lever. I got him to go through the menus and sure enough it was set to power the camera.

He had taken it to LCE and the guy there apparently had said to him he gets quite a few people coming back saying their camera isn't working and it's because they've set the function lever to something.
Mystery solved!
Glad it worked out well for all concerned.
That little lever is a menace, disabled it on my E-M1 and ii.
Another rascal is the manual focus pull ring on some lenses.
 
Glad it worked out well for all concerned.
That little lever is a menace, disabled it on my E-M1 and ii.
Another rascal is the manual focus pull ring on some lenses.
I’m quite happy with the secondary lever, but right back to when the focus clutch was first introduced it’s been an embuggerance. Only today it kept getting knocked into manual, on the 12-100.
 
An update on the mysterious dead camera. It turns out he had accidentally switched the function lever, and the function lever had somehow been set to control power :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: I can't tell you how relieved we both are.

I'm pretty sure I've never set the function lever to power, so would never have thought of that. He noticed that a light came on when he pressed the AEL button ( set up for back button focusing), and he worked out it was something to do with the lever. I got him to go through the menus and sure enough it was set to power the camera.

He had taken it to LCE and the guy there apparently had said to him he gets quite a few people coming back saying their camera isn't working and it's because they've set the function lever to something.
Mystery solved!

Phew!!!!!!!
Sometimes it is as in this case a simple though not obvious reason but glad it is sorted.

FWIW I like the Fn Switch as it allows switching from say a single 'home' focus point to a group area. But for power......who thought that was a good idea...???
 
I’m quite happy with the secondary lever, but right back to when the focus clutch was first introduced it’s been an embuggerance. Only today it kept getting knocked into manual, on the 12-100.

AFAIK you can disable the function of the lens MF clutch in the menu!
 
I’m quite happy with the secondary lever, but right back to when the focus clutch was first introduced it’s been an embuggerance. Only today it kept getting knocked into manual, on the 12-100.
I know what you mean. I mentioned that to him for future reference, but he doesn't have a Pro lens yet. I really like the focus clutch - now I've got used to it accidentally being knocked :)

The thing that caught me out the other day was the lens function button on the 12-100. I'd had it set to limit focusing distance (something I'd set up for longer lenses when photographing birds and then forgotten about!). I accidentally hit it and it took me a little while to work out why the camera wouldn't focus close in :rolleyes:

Glad it worked out well for all concerned.
That little lever is a menace, disabled it on my E-M1 and ii.
Another rascal is the manual focus pull ring on some lenses.
Thanks, it is a menace! We turned it off and I told him to forget about it...

Phew!!!!!!!
Sometimes it is as in this case a simple though not obvious reason but glad it is sorted.

FWIW I like the Fn Switch as it allows switching from say a single 'home' focus point to a group area. But for power......who thought that was a good idea...???
Yes who would have thought power was a good idea - it's the one thing that makes a camera appear dead!

I think I will have to raise a glass this evening
 
Not sure about the ISO thing but I know there are different standards for measurement of ISO. I've seen some years ago on the Photos to Photons site, that on some of the older OM-D cameras say at ISO3200 on an Olympus camera equated to say ISO1600 on another camera and it was all because each manufacturer used differing ISO standards (i.e. ISO SOS and/or ISO REI standards) - perhaps that has something to do with it ?
Interesting, and also slightly odd. Obviously in the real world it doesn’t really matter, it’s just odd that a standard is not standard ;)
 
AFAIK you can disable the function of the lens MF clutch in the menu!
.... You definitely can. But obviously providing that the lens which is mounted has the MF Clutch feature (which can be disabled via the Menu or even a chosen custom button). The MF Clutch is invaluable for close-up and macro work.

Oh, and the OM-1 (without Battery Grip) + ED 60mm Macro lens is a sweeet little combo! I'm looking forward to shooting mini-beasts with that.
 
Interesting, and also slightly odd. Obviously in the real world it doesn’t really matter, it’s just odd that a standard is not standard ;)
.... I really wouldn't worry about what all the numbers are - As you say: "in the real-world it doesn't really matter" - Just become familiar with what is needed to dial according to the shot. The holy trinity of shutter speed, aperture and manual ISO.
 
Re: OM-1

Talking about the Fn Switch and usage for switching from AF Home to AF area.

I was setting that up on the OM-1 but switched to position 2 no area and no AF !

I initially thought I had misremembered how to do it........but a light bulb moment, I checked using the LHS top plate button to the "focus set" and it was indeed on MF !

I corrected it to S-AF and that 'restored' the correct Fn Switch function.

I hope it was just a one off firmware glitch and that I don't see the issue again :fingers crossed:
 
An update on the mysterious dead camera. It turns out he had accidentally switched the function lever, and the function lever had somehow been set to control power :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: I can't tell you how relieved we both are.

I'm pretty sure I've never set the function lever to power, so would never have thought of that. He noticed that a light came on when he pressed the AEL button ( set up for back button focusing), and he worked out it was something to do with the lever. I got him to go through the menus and sure enough it was set to power the camera.

He had taken it to LCE and the guy there apparently had said to him he gets quite a few people coming back saying their camera isn't working and it's because they've set the function lever to something.
Mystery solved!
Complicated buggers these olympus thinggummybobs init .. good result
 
AFAIK you can disable the function of the lens MF clutch in the menu!
I like the idea of the MF clutch - it comes in handy. But only when you want to use it. It seems too easy. Maybe a locking button on the focus grip?
 
I like the idea of the MF clutch - it comes in handy. But only when you want to use it. It seems too easy. Maybe a locking button on the focus grip?
Without checking, so many of the functions can be allocated to a custom button (to avoid menu diving!) so if MF clutch able/disable is one of them. That may be beneficial to be able to toggle that function???
 
Without checking, so many of the functions can be allocated to a custom button (to avoid menu diving!) so if MF clutch able/disable is one of them. That may be beneficial to be able to toggle that function???
.... That's one of great things about a sophisticated camera with so many options to customise it to our own preferences. I have spent about 2 hours so far today customising my new OM-1 to match my M1X as closely as possible. I haven't shot anything yet and it arrived at 9am this morning.
 
.... That's one of great things about a sophisticated camera with so many options to customise it to our own preferences. I have spent about 2 hours so far today customising my new OM-1 to match my M1X as closely as possible. I haven't shot anything yet and it arrived at 9am this morning.
In regard to transposing(as best matches ~ bearing in mind the actual/potential differences in behaviour of settings) M1X to the OM-1. I was reading one thread by a user in Australia, where I think she explained that the differences means that such settings needed to be tweaked to get the best out of it.

If I did indeed read her posts right, it suggests that it might be best to treat the om-1 as a blank canvas???

Edit ~ it was Carol Darby who was talking about her wildlife photography especially BiF.
 
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In regard to transposing(as best matches ~ bearing in mind the actual/potential differences in behaviour of settings) M1X to the OM-1. I was reading one thread by a user in Australia, where I think she explained that the differences means that such settings needed to be tweaked to get the best out of it.

If I did indeed read her posts right, it suggests that it might be best to treat the om-1 as a blank canvas???

Edit ~ it was Carol Darby who was talking about her wildlife photography especially BiF.
.... Certainly best to start off with blank canvas regarding things like all the AF and Tracking functions but I only mean button allocations and shortcuts to functions. Options like the dials and EVF display etc.

I have the manual in both PDF and printed formats but decided to run through the Menu literally in the camera to make myself familiar with its structure and every single option.
 
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