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Guys, I have decided that I am going for an Olympus E420 as my starter dslr to get me into photography. Not the latest all singing and dancing camera but good enough for me I think.

I have been looking at a few and have noticed that some are body only, and some come as a bundle with one or two Olympus lenses included.

If I have to start buying lenses for it am I limited to Olympus lenses only, or do all dslr bodies have the same thread so any lens can be fitted?

I have noticed a vast difference in the price of lenses when loking on Ebay. I guess you get what you pay for, but why such a massive difference?

Thanks in advance

MIchael
 
No, you cannot fit any lens, not even any Olympus lens. You don't say why you have decided on the E420 which might help people to advise you.
 
Hi Michael - please don't buy the E-420 - apologies to anyone still using it, but the image quality in micro four-thirds moved on drastically from 2008 standards.
I use this sytem regularly and love it for the great lens choices and small lens/body size. I can fit 5 lenses in a small satchel bag with my camera, or just carry a couple in pockets - great for travel.

Background - the E-420 is a Four-Thirds camera from 2008, the system has since evolved to *Micro* Four-Thirds, smaller lenses and cameras.
I'd really recommend getting anything from when they went to 16 megapixels onwards - not because of the pixel count, but because the low light performance is significantly better!

For reference, all Panasonic and Olympus *Micro* Four-Thirds lenses are compatible...older 4/3 lenses are usually compatible with an adapter but will be bigger and often focus slower unless you buy a really modern camera like the E-M1.

If you want a viewfinder get a used Olympus E-M5 or E-M10
If they're too expensive look at an E-PL5 and add a viewfinder later - but the controls aren't as good.
The Panasonic GX7 and GX8 are also good options, including a viewfinder.
 
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Guys, I have decided that I am going for an Olympus E420 ... ...am I limited to Olympus lenses only, ...l
An e-420 with the bundle of 14-42 zoom and 40-150 zoom lens is a nice small DSLR kit with excellent colour, good optics but let down by a sensor that doesn't give good high-ISO results so when the light fails the camera is nowhere near as good as a modern one.
I own an e-420 (among many others) and expect a 2-lens kit to go for less than £200 every time.
(For £300 you could get a brand-new one-lens kit of a modern DSLR and add a cheap long zoom later : probably the more sensible approach.)

It takes Olympus Zuiko lenses for the 4/3rds system, different from m.Zuiko lenses for the micro-4/3rds system so e-bay is just like a minefield where you are likely to be buying totally wrong lenses as often as not.
 
As others have said, don't get the Olympus, it is old old old and not even a supported system any more (Olympus moved on to micro four thirds, which is what I use so by no means an Olympus hater).

There are better options in nearly every regard, let us know your budget and what you want to do with it (general snaps, landscape, sports, etc) and we can guide you.
 
I started with a Olympus e410 but I moved a year or so later when I was looking to upgrade as ISO was limiting. I noticed they had started to pull support for the 4/3rds format so jumped ship whilst it was was worth something. it's worth listening to others on here to get something that suits you. It's worth noting with cameras you are buying into a system rather than just buying a camera.
 
For balance I am going to disagree with some of the comments above and say that buying an Olympus E system camera is still worthwhile if you are starting out. I still use mine, and have won competitions with them. There is a marketing push for photographers to buy the very best, latest models. You do not have to succumb to that pressure. Olympus have always made very good, innovative cameras and you can get a lot of camera for not much money now.

I would not necessarily recommend an E-410 as there were some huge improvements over a short period of time and features like in-body image stabilisation were added. There are other models with better features at around the same price so do look at the other models on the second hand market. I still use an E-510 (though my main camera is an E-5) and it is compact, light, robust and won lots of awards when it first came out. Saying that, there are still better second hand models available like the E-620 and the E-3. These are newer and will possibly have fewer shutter activations. (Do check this before you buy.) The image quality from my E-510 is better than modern compact digital camera with smaller sensors and E-system cameras can be picked up not for around the same price a budget compact, and they will be more versatile.


If you are wondering about whether DSLR photography is going to suit you and you have a limited budget then getting an E-system camera has its advantages. People are selling their e-system cameras and lenses and so they can be picked up more cheaply. (The lenses are great quality and if you decide later to convert to a micro Four Thirds camera you can get adapters to fit.) Buying an older camera you will not lose much on resale. Buy a new camera and it will lose £100s as soon as you take it out of the box.

I have the two kit lenses that came with the E-510 and they are really sharp. I still use them on my E-5. Old manual focus OM lenses don't fit onto E system cameras, although you can get adaptors.

The great thing about E system cameras is that the images have a different look and feel to them than Canon/Nikon/Sony. Not better or worse, just different.

There are limitations regarding ISO range on older cameras and that means you need more skill to achieve the shots you want to get. But, a lot of photographers don't use the massive ISOs that are available. Also, having restricted features forces you to hone your photographic skills.

But, don't rule out other systems though. If you anticipate at some point wanting to change to a different system then it might be worth investing in that system now so everything remains compatible. You can pick up some older Canons and Nikons at a fair price and they have budget lenses available to them too.

One last thing. Go onto Flickr and search for images taken with the E-410, E-420, E-510, E-520, E-620, E30 and E-3. You will see plenty of good images.

I hope that helps,

Ivor
 
I was a massive 4/3rds man 5 odd years back, great cameras very underrated, lovely to hold and use..

Today though anything under the 620 I would go m4/3rd instead, you can pick up an EP2 for very little money nowadays... Of course if it's an optical viewfinder you want ignore me.
 
That's the thing, nothing wrong with the older Oly cameras per-se its just that for the same cash you can get much better performance with much more modern features.
 
For balance I am going to disagree with some of the comments above and say that buying an Olympus E system camera is still worthwhile if you are starting out. I still use mine, and have won competitions with them. There is a marketing push for photographers to buy the very best, latest models. You do not have to succumb to that pressure. Olympus have always made very good, innovative cameras and you can get a lot of camera for not much money now.

I would not necessarily recommend an E-410 as there were some huge improvements over a short period of time and features like in-body image stabilisation were added. There are other models with better features at around the same price so do look at the other models on the second hand market. I still use an E-510 (though my main camera is an E-5) and it is compact, light, robust and won lots of awards when it first came out. Saying that, there are still better second hand models available like the E-620 and the E-3. These are newer and will possibly have fewer shutter activations. (Do check this before you buy.) The image quality from my E-510 is better than modern compact digital camera with smaller sensors and E-system cameras can be picked up not for around the same price a budget compact, and they will be more versatile.


If you are wondering about whether DSLR photography is going to suit you and you have a limited budget then getting an E-system camera has its advantages. People are selling their e-system cameras and lenses and so they can be picked up more cheaply. (The lenses are great quality and if you decide later to convert to a micro Four Thirds camera you can get adapters to fit.) Buying an older camera you will not lose much on resale. Buy a new camera and it will lose £100s as soon as you take it out of the box.

I have the two kit lenses that came with the E-510 and they are really sharp. I still use them on my E-5. Old manual focus OM lenses don't fit onto E system cameras, although you can get adaptors.

The great thing about E system cameras is that the images have a different look and feel to them than Canon/Nikon/Sony. Not better or worse, just different.

There are limitations regarding ISO range on older cameras and that means you need more skill to achieve the shots you want to get. But, a lot of photographers don't use the massive ISOs that are available. Also, having restricted features forces you to hone your photographic skills.

But, don't rule out other systems though. If you anticipate at some point wanting to change to a different system then it might be worth investing in that system now so everything remains compatible. You can pick up some older Canons and Nikons at a fair price and they have budget lenses available to them too.

One last thing. Go onto Flickr and search for images taken with the E-410, E-420, E-510, E-520, E-620, E30 and E-3. You will see plenty of good images.

I hope that helps,

Ivor
Agree with everything except that I think it is possible to pick up a E520 twin lens kit for less than £100, I was going to sell mine just before xmas and I would of advertised it for £80 with both lenses, boxed and in excellent condition. I gave it to a friends daughter who is taking photography at school.
 
I will also add that if you have a picture with blue skies and people's faces : Olympus 420 is right up there at the top of the heap (with e-620, e-P2 etc)
 
Thanks for the info. I guess camera technology moves pretty fast, albeit not as fast as computer technolgy.

FYI I want to replace my Sony Cybershot 10.1 compact (about 6 years old now) with a dslr.

Does an E420 represent much of an improvement on the Sony?

From the posts I have read the 420 is already obsolete and may not be worth persuing. I am prepared to hang fire and save a bit more for the micro 4/3.

I am glad people reminded me of micro, as I had never even heard of it. Bit of a noob really.

Ok, so what camera would be a good starter for ten in the micro 4/3 category. Doesn't have to be Olympus.

Primarily, I am wanting to take good quality photos of various items of Hi Fi and other household things that I buy and sell on Ebay to stand a better chance of selling.

Not only that, I have other areas (not Ebay related) that I would like to photograph, namely classic motorcycles, plant life, flowers, birds and anything else that takes my fancy.

I have a friend that races pigeons. He has an E300 and some of the A4 size photos I have seen are very good. He said to me that it is not the pixel count that matters most, it's the lens and the lighting. Is this correct?

He also showed me a photo of a pigeon's eye (apparently a selling point) which he had blown up to A4 size without any pixellation.

This would suggest that an E series camera will be more than adequate for my needs. I am not a big believer in throwing out the old for the new but if these micro 4/3's are as good as what members' say they are then it could well be worth it.

Michael
 
I would say if you like the E420 and it does what you need, then go for it.
If its just general photography you need it for, not weddings, sports or motor racing etc then it will do just fine. There will always be better options out there but do you need low light capability or super high pixel count?
As has been said, Olympus produce some excellent gear and although it may be 'old technology' as long as its been looked after will take a photo as good as the day it was made.
 
For advert pictures, you probably wont get any 'better' pictures with any amount of 'better' camera... this is true for most photography,
But for selling stuff? particularly on e-bay?... well, making sure the photo's aligned the right way would put you streets ahead of a large number of sellers on there!
Resolution isn't particularly important; most photo's have to be shrunk to under 1000x1000 pixels or 1Mpix, for web-display anyway.... you ought to be able to get away with even a 'cheap' compact for a lot of e-bay ad-shots! But, the important bit is you then want to pay attention to the 'setting' you place your artifact in for photo, and the lighting.. try not to use flash, try and get it in good 'natural' light; make sure there's no clutter in the shot. People want to see what you are selling, not what sort of kitchen equipment you have, and they really don't care whether you are off half a stop on your exposure, or your horizon's a bit wonky! They JUST want a clear, tidy picture of what they are buying!

For 'general-purpose' photo's... you had me at the mention of 'classic motorcycles' btw.... again... so much is down to what's outside the camera, not what is in it!

Better Photographers Take Better Photographs, NOT 'Better Cameras'

There are folk that do stunning things with pin-hole cameras made out of old cornflakes-packets, old pop bottles and other Blue-Peter model materials! Other's do amazing things with camera-phones or plastic lens 'toy' cameras.... Its all in what you know, not what you own, and stepping up to an 'enthusiast' SLR camera as part of doing a bit of 'learning'? Hummm-Hooo--Urrrrrrrrr..... There is a 'reason' that most folk use Cannon or Nikon, DSLR's....

Quarter of a century ago, I entered the 'game' with a hand-me-down Olympus OM10 'film' SLR... then, ten years out of date, and like the 4/3 'system' significantly 'unsupported' as Olympus abandoned the mid-level 'enthusiast' market... they did some STRANGE things back then, like the 'half frame' Auto-focus 'power-zoom' SLR my granddad bought... I don't think he ever finished the 36exp roll of film that came with it! But curious 'thing', it was an SLR you couldn't change the lens on! As a company they have always very much been paddling their own canoe, pushing their ideas of alternative technology.... however... the OM SLR 'system' was by 1990, pretty much left to it's own devices. They still offered the 'Pro-Grade' OM4, but that was about it. But, plenty of lenses and accessories about, having been in production for almost two decades, AND with 'auto-focus' begging people to upgrade, an awful lot of stuff in the second hand shops up for relative pennies.... great when I was a student... could replace a knackered OM10 for the price of another roll of film! But, just five years on, and earning a lettuce.. sorry celery... or something like that, wanting to 'upgrade'? Well?!?! Somewhere between the devil and the deep, really! My OM kit was even less appreciated by then than it ever had been, so little value for trade in, but to get 'like for like' in another system, was going to cost a ruddy fortune.. doing it 'bit by bit'? Yeah, nice idea, but means having two half complete camera systems to try and match to a job!

The 4/3 'system', now, is rather like the OM system then... significantly less supported and less loved.... but, second hand it IS bludy cheap! As has been alluded to, you can get a damn good camera, and lenses to go with it for well under £100, which you'd struggle to get just a basic Nikon or Cannon SLR body-only for, and it would be a heck of a lot of camera for the money... BUT.... its out of the main-stream, it is a quirky camera for its own aficionados, and as a learning tool, likely to make learning a tad harder having to 'translate' teaching and advice aimed at 'conventional' SLR owners, and learning the 'quirks' of that system. And? when it's time to move on? Back to square one, it's little loved and little valued, and you still face having a big investment to make the 'leap' to something else. So I DON'T think that the old 4/3 or even the newer MFT systems are best suited to a newbie to SLR photography. I think that they are better suited to people who have done their learning, and know what they are buying into, and have a specific reason for wanting that system, and are prepared for the compromises it imposes.

Said main attraction is you can get a complete second hand outfit for under £100... BUT, you don't have to spend an awful lot more to stay in the main-stream. Both Cannon & Nikon are baiting the 'entry-level' market with DSLR's for under £300, with a typically 18-55mm 'kit' lens. And if you are prepared to hunt about a bit, and get off e-bay, where seems an awful lot seem to hope to get the new MRRP for 2nd hand kit, look at Gumtree, or local ad-sites, or news-agents windows, or the back of the 'free' papers that come through the door.... there are good cameras out there for not too much money.

My daughter, 'borrowing' my DSLR to do her photography O-Level last year started scaring me, pricking water-filled balloons full of water within inches of its expensive electronics, begging me to buy her her own (to drown!). I paid £120 (inc P&P) for a 2nd hand Nikon D3100, from a dealers, and £70 (inc P&P) for an f1.5 35mm 'prime', 2nd hand privately from the classified on the forum here. That's a bit 'over' because for her school photography I knew she would do better with that more expensive prime lens, and I wanted 'some' sort of warranty on the body before she started chucking water around near it! Month later, O/H, feeling left out, decided she wanted to move up from her bridge/compact, to the 'same' camera as my daughter, and we found one in the local small ads, another D3100, with the 'kit' 18-55 for £140, as boxed in curry's a year or so earlier. Others I know have spent similar sort of money to but entry level Cannon 'outfits' often almost as unused.... they are out there if you go looking, and are prepared to pay that little extra cash up front, and possibly compromise on NOT trying to get it all straight away.

But then? Your learning is made easy, in the main-stream, using common & conventional 'kit', and if you want to expand it... well, its supported, and its common, and there's plenty of choice of 'stuff', new or 2nd hand on offer for reasonably 'sensible' prices.

Personally, I am a 'generalist' and predominantly a recordist. which is fancy way of saying I mostly take 'snap-shots', really! However.... LETS TALK BIKES :) I'm a builder, not a breaker, so I don't tend to need to do appealing 'ad-photo's; but renovating about one bike a year, I do find I do quite a few photo-how-to's, that are a lot like 'ad' shots, taking close-ups of bits of engine internal, showing where to put the spanner on a tappet lock-nut, or where to find the vacuum 'plugs' to balance your carburetors, or wot-not. Then, of course I'll head out on one (when nothing is left to need 'fixing'!) and go to shows or meets or events or rallies. Rallies tend to offer some pretty varied photography; there's usually static display of bikes, sometimes in good day-light, but frequently in a 'nasty' (for lighting) tent, barn or exhibition hall. Bands? Again some-times on nice day-lit stages, more often in dark and heaving tents or the back room of a pub! Bulldog Bash offers the Drag-Strip 'run-wot-yer-brung' for action shots; at others it might be a grass-track or hill-climb or merely a parade. Lots of ops for 'social' photography in the 'Party', or for candids, looking around parts-jumble stands and such. I manage to find more than 'enough' in and around bikes to cross genres and stretch my capabilities in photography.....

BUT.... little lens audit last week.. I REALLY want to go buy an 'Ultra-wide-angle' to be able to get up close and intimate with bikes on show.. you know, the ones people keep walking in-front of when you want to take a snap of them :mad: one I want, of course, costs more (new) than I paid for the camera 'kit' to start with.... hmmm.... and SHE is looking over my shoulder every time I look at any of the on-line camera shops :eek: women NEVER miss thing like this, do they?

Anyway, pivotal question, would I get the use out of it? What do I use 'most'? And bottom line to that, is that I get most use out of that 'cheap' Kit 18-55mm lens!

It is NOT all that limiting for general purpose photography. I have a 55-300 in the bag, but it's not used all that often, and when it IS, checking the 'exif' data, usually not at all that long a 'zoom'. I could probably cover 95% of everything I want to do, with the, only slightly more expensive 'kit' 18-140, and NOT use the 55-300 at all!
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THIS, however (A Bimota Tesi 1D for them that don't know) I took last year at the Staff's.. (Oh Yeah! says so in the picture! dowh!).. with a 'fish-eye'... sort of suits that subject.... THIS is where things CAN start to 'head' if/when you start to get a bit 'keen', and for the rest of the bikes in that show, I would have been far better off with an Ultra-wide-angle rather than a fish.... so I think I WILL (plead with the bank-manager.. extend the mortgage.. sell a kidney perhaps...) and get one... and try and hide the receipt and box some-where it will never be found...... ;)

But, point is, I KNOW that I could do 95% of everything I do and want to do in photography with-out EVEN a DSLR... I continued using the old film cameras for an awful long while, and around 2003, when I bought a digi-compact, carried on using the old film cameras, pulling them out less and less often when I hit the increasingly less limited restrictions of a compact..... when I DID fess up and buy into 'digital' with an SLR... I did so quite conscious of the fact that 'this time' I wanted to 'buy-in' to the main-stream, with a main-stream supported system.. Hence Nikon! KNOWING that as soon as I did, I would be chasing the 'range' of kit I had in film... AND vent my frustration at some of the 'stops' I found in film... like not being able to easily get 'UWA' lenses, in almost ANY system, let alone the less supported Olympus!... Reason I've shown the 'fish' shot. Struggling to find anything for 35mm film down in the 21mm ish (very) wide angle region, let alone find it 'cheaply'.. when I came across a 'cheap' 2nd hand fish-eye I bought it.. for fun, and did have a lot with it.But 12mm, it wasn't a 'full-fish', giving the 'full' 180 degree field of view and a full circle image.. and wasn't a brilliant lens, so always felt a little cheated by it... cost me £30 I think.. I REALLY shouldn't feel cheated! One that took that pic cost almost 20x that! and for the use it's getting, I ought to feel 'cheated'! But what the heck... swot I wanted! And this is sort of the point. twenty years ago, a 'full-fish' would have been WELL out of my price range... I couldn't have even dreamed of one... NOW? well, not exactly pocket money, but not only can I dream.. I can actually have it! while, that 21mm lens I really wanted to start with? Well, that's equivalent to 14mm on an APS-C sensor DSLR, and not only am I not struggling to find on, I have much much choice in lenses covering that FoV and wider! And again, all for very very 'sensible' prices, new or used.

THIS is what you get 'buying in' to a main stream system. The Olympus outfit? Is not in the main-stream. And THAT on it's own is it's greatest limitation. for generalist photography? Yeah, probably no great handicap... but it IS a handicap.. and If you see your photography taking you down this sort of road, where, like me, you want to take 'nice' pictures of classic motorbikes... then, it is likely you WILL want to get up-close and personal with them, to avoid being trampled by other viewers, or having them constantly crossing your 'frame'.. then your concern wont be with 'more' zoom, but less... and with a 2x crop factor on 4/3 sized sensors, to get down to that field of view from that range, you will need something quite a lot 'under' the 12-14mm shortest lens length that seems to be available for that system, other than a 9mm fish-eye.... and held to ransom over the prices.

Depends whether you see your 'interest' developing at all, BUT, for where you are at? the Olympus system has few significant 'advantages' to make it worth buying into, and any 'saving' you might find buying into it, is likely to pale as soon as you do want to pursue any more interest, IF the 'quirkiness' doesn't stifle your enthusiasm & interest before!

For what you suggest you want a camera for, and where that could lead you, I just don't see 4/3 or MFT as the 'ideal' starting point. I really don't. A conventional entry level Cannon or Nikon i do. And IF you have to make compromises to get started, rather than trying to get 'all you'll ever need' on one box... you never will! There will always be something else or something different to 'add to'... so I'd keep it tight and get the bare essentials; and basic entry level body, and 'kit' 18-55 lens, that, I can guarantee will do 90% of all you are likely to want to do and do it pretty darn well... you may feel frustrated at the lack of 'more' zoom, but if you had it, you'd probably be just as frustrated by 'blur' as the shutter speed drops out trying to keep the exposure up with restricted apertures, and the extra magnification magnifies as much 'shake' in you not holding the camera as steady as you should, as it does the pigeon or whatever you are aiming at... IF you can even find the bird in the view-finder the angle of view covering so little of the 'sky' its in!

As to your pigeon fancying friend... he's 2/3 right.. Mega-Pixels isn't so important... Light? Definitely. Lens? Ho-Hum... important 'ish'... but a great lens is worthless if the photographer looking through it don't know what the heck they are doing! Remember better photographers make better pictures, not better cameras or better lenses! Its just like motorbikes... want a faster bike? fit a better rider! Give a better rider a crap bike, they'll still make it go faster; Give a crap rider a faster bike.... they'll just crash quicker! On which score, you could probably get a heck of a lot more than you are from your compact with a little more know-how and a bit of simple technique.. I know I get a lot more than many expect from compacts! so it's getting that 'know-how' that is the 'key' here, as much as anything, and THAT is where a main-stream DSLR, that makes the learning 'easy' is likely to be the 'better' bet.
 
I disagree to an extent, personally I think DSLRs aren't really necessary any more for the majority of users as mirrorless (inc m4/3) tend to offer as much, if not more than a DSLR for a lot of types of shooting without the bulk.

However, a nikon D3100 and kit lens would be an excellent place to start, I have one at work and it is a lovely camera - streets ahead of the Oly 420 and a bargain for £140.

You will always hear it said that it is the photographer not the camera (which is true) and you will see stunning images from people shot with pinhole cameras BUT those photos are taken within the limits of the kit (which the photographer has to know - part of the skill) and will often involve a tripod so as to shoot at low ISO and high aperture). This is all well and good for things that stay still but doesn't necessarily help with other situations. As an analogy, you could drive to work in an old Ford Escort or a modern Ford Fiesta, both will get you there in the same time but one will be a much nicer experience and have extra features that come in handy (air con, ABS etc).
 
Blimey Teflon-Mike that was a HUGE post for a fairly generic "which camera" thread ... good on yer!
 
Blimey Teflon-Mike that was a HUGE post for a fairly generic "which camera" thread ... good on yer!

Indeed, I love @Teflon-Mike. Your posts, they're always very in-depth and you always seem like you're very knowledgeable in the subject of photography!

But for someone with that amount of knowledge, surely you must've seen that it's spelt "Canon" and not "Cannon"! :P :D
 
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