Olympus E-M10

I found that the EM5 was as small as I could manage and even then kept nudging buttons accidentally. Mostly I resorted to using the HDL-6 horizontal grip, so I think that the EM10 may be too small for many men.
 
Granted. Small is most definitely not always better. It would be a great carry around with its new compact zoom, with very little compromise on speed and IQ.
 
twist said:
Id rather get an EM5.
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Seems to make more sense at the moment - EM5 body can be had new for £495 (hdew, grey import) or EU stock (Finland online store - if they deliver to the UK) or UK stock can be had with the 12-50 lens for around £850 last time I looked, but Olympus throw in a grip and 45mm lens for 'free' so if you factor in the cost of those (£200 + £200 + £100 for the 12-50) then the EM5 body works out at around £350. Or sell the grip, 45mm lens and kit lens for around £400, making the body £450.

EM10 is £500 - but no 5 axis IBIS (not sure how much difference this makes in practice?) or weather sealing. Guess it depends how important those 2 features are. Obviously launch price should fall over time and the EM5 is nearly 2 years old...
 
applemint said:
Seems to make more sense at the moment - EM5 body can be had new for £495 (hdew, grey import) or EU stock (Finland online store - if they deliver to the UK) or UK stock can be had with the 12-50 lens for around £850 last time I looked, but Olympus throw in a grip and 45mm lens for 'free' so if you factor in the cost of those (£200 + £200 + £100 for the 12-50) then the EM5 body works out at around £350. Or sell the grip, 45mm lens and kit lens for around £400, making the body £450.

EM10 is £500 - but no 5 axis IBIS (not sure how much difference this makes in practice?) or weather sealing. Guess it depends how important those 2 features are. Obviously launch price should fall over time and the EM5 is nearly 2 years old...
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The kit cost would be more like.... 130 + 100 + 120. Body only £475. But still a better deal than the lower spec 10.

I think the EM5 also has a better EVF, so quite a few things imo making it a better camera. 5 axis is much better.
 
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I mean vs the new prices of those items (assuming you wanted them and would have been buying them anyway). Bought new, the EM5 grip is £200 ish, the 45mm 1.8 also £200 ish. Could sell them of course, but both are well worth having and kit lens probably worth keeping for a cheap way to 12mm and handy 'macro' feature given that you would only get £100 or so by selling it going by ebay sold listings.

EVF is the same as EM5 according to this: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m10/3 - in fact slightly improved in one regard: "The built in electronic viewfinder is straight from the OM-D EM-5 and so is large and a pleasure to use. It also gains another E-M1 feature –adaptive brightness which means especially dark or bright areas appear as they do to the naked eye – rival systems tend to overcompensate in extreme lighting making it difficult to asses the image." (From: http://blog.parkcameras.com/2014/01/olympus-launch-new-om-d-e-m10.html )

DPR preview page claims only half a stop difference between 3 and 5 axis (CIPA), but says 5 axis is better for close up subjects ("not quite as effective (particularly when shooting close-ups"). Having not compared them I have no personal experience of that though.
 
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The EM-10 also has WiFi which can be used for remote control or transferring images and has a built in flash. The screen is also higher resolution than the EM-5.
 
applemint said:
I mean vs the new prices of those items (assuming you wanted them and would have been buying them anyway). Bought new, the EM5 grip is £200 ish, the 45mm 1.8 also £200 ish. Could sell them of course, but both are well worth having and kit lens probably worth keeping for a cheap way to 12mm and handy 'macro' feature given that you would only get £100 or so by selling it going by ebay sold listings.

EVF is the same as EM5 according to this: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m10/3 - in fact slightly improved in one regard: "The built in electronic viewfinder is straight from the OM-D EM-5 and so is large and a pleasure to use. It also gains another E-M1 feature –adaptive brightness which means especially dark or bright areas appear as they do to the naked eye – rival systems tend to overcompensate in extreme lighting making it difficult to asses the image." (From: http://blog.parkcameras.com/2014/01/olympus-launch-new-om-d-e-m10.html )

DPR preview page claims only half a stop difference between 3 and 5 axis (CIPA), but says 5 axis is better for close up subjects ("not quite as effective (particularly when shooting close-ups"). Having not compared them I have no personal experience of that though.
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Thanks for the link. Sounds good now all the extra features are being published. I like inbuilt flash for the odd occasion. 25mm 1.8 is also welcome if its as good as the 45.
 
EM10 doesn't scream as much of a release to me, I'd still plump for the cheaper EM5 even now
 
It's not cheaper for UK stock that I can see?

Some more comparison details from here: Link

What the E-M10 and E-M5 share:
  • The same 16mp Live Mos Sensor
  • Contrast detection AF
  • Same EVF resolution (1,440,000-dot)
Strengths of the E-M5 in comparison to the E-M10:
  • 5 axis stabilisation: the E-M10 IS only works on three axes (it lacks the vertical and horizontal shift axes, more on that later)
  • slightly faster continuous shooting mode (9fps on the E-M5 vs. 8 fps on the E-M10 in AF-S mode)
  • weather-sealed body: the E-M10 body is not weather sealed.
Strengths of the E-M10 in comparison to the E-M5:
  • A newer image processor (True Pic VII instead of VI)
  • No AA filter
  • 81 AF target areas (E-M5 has 35 target areas)
  • Advanced WiFi capabilities
  • A higher speed rate mode for the EVF (120 fps) with Adaptive Brightness Technology (same as the E-M1) and shorter latency
  • An improved button layout
  • A built-in flash
 
It is when you take into account splitting the em5 kit as above after the promo. That's uk stock.
 
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I'm not familiar with HDEW, but I would guess the EM10 should be cheaper there than the EM5 when it's available to buy? As always everyone wants something different from their cameras, but I don't see anything that the EM5 does and the EM10 doesn't that I'd be bothered about. Having said that I'd be more likely to get a GX7 than either ;)
 
ShrubMonkey said:
Just my opinion, regarding buying, I'd get the EM5 from HDEW for £495.
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I think that would make the most sense for anyone who did not want the grip, 45mm and 12-50 - hardly any difference in price after selling those and avoids the hassle of selling them.
 
applemint said:
I think that would make the most sense for anyone who did not want the grip, 45mm and 12-50 - hardly any difference in price after selling those and avoids the hassle of selling them.
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Avoids the hassle but HDEW sell grey stock. Some prefer UK stock.
 
Whilst on the subject of Olympus cameras, are there any E-M5 owners using either Canon FD, or M42 fit lenses on this body, via adapters of course?

PS. I should add that I am aware there is a dedicated thread for the E-M5, but I was being lazy and wanted a quick answer:)
 
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I have used lots of 'legacy' lenses including FD, Pentax M42 etc. Generally they are OK, some better than others, but the crop factor is a killler. Even a Leica summicron probably isn't as sharp as you might like. They just are not designed for the format.
 
Cap'n Bill said:
I have used lots of 'legacy' lenses including FD, Pentax M42 etc. Generally they are OK, some better than others, but the crop factor is a killler. Even a Leica summicron probably isn't as sharp as you might like. They just are not designed for the format.
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Thanks for your reply. I already use M42 lenses on my Canon 7D with great results, but was thinking of getting a DSLR body for my FD lenses, I also use these lenses on my T90 film body, so didn't want to carry out any alterations to the mounts. Other than the Olympus, I was thinking of Sony or Pentax.
 
I have just bought a Sony A7 and it works well with Olympus OM and longer Leica M mount lenses. It is much better than the mFT for this type of lens I am finding. I no longer have any other 'legacy' lenses, I sold them all to get some cupboard space.
 
killwilly said:
Thanks for your reply. I already use M42 lenses on my Canon 7D with great results, but was thinking of getting a DSLR body for my FD lenses, I also use these lenses on my T90 film body, so didn't want to carry out any alterations to the mounts. Other than the Olympus, I was thinking of Sony or Pentax.
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You have to be careful with FD as as far as I know you need an adapter with a lens in it to retain infinity focus when mounting FD on Canon DSLR's.

I've used Rokkor and Zuiko lenses on my Panasonic G1 and Sony A7 and I have to say that I'm very happy with the results and they look sharp even at 100%. Of course on MFT you have the 2x crop factor but I liked my 24mm f2.8, 35mm f1.8 and 50mm f1.7 and f1.8 lenses on MFT and quickly adapted even to the 50mm lenses and their equiv. 100mm FoV.
 
woof woof said:
You have to be careful with FD as as far as I know you need an adapter with a lens in it to retain infinity focus when mounting FD on Canon DSLR's.

I've used Rokkor and Zuiko lenses on my Panasonic G1 and Sony A7 and I have to say that I'm very happy with the results and they look sharp even at 100%. Of course on MFT you have the 2x crop factor but I liked my 24mm f2.8, 35mm f1.8 and 50mm f1.7 and f1.8 lenses on MFT and quickly adapted even to the 50mm lenses and their equiv. 100mm FoV.
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I already have an FD-EOS adapter, which I do use with my FD 100mm macro lens, although I do have to remove the optics from the adapter and the results are quite good, but not as good as with the M42 lenses. I have a few quite nice FD lenses and would like to use them more on a digital body, thats why I was thinking of a mirror less system. A used Sony Nex looks to be the cheapest option and would also be ideal for the M42 lenses. A camera of that size would easily fit in one pocket and my 50mm Zeiss in another when out walking, rather than a 7D slung over a shoulder.
 
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