old world, teachers..

I lost count of the number of times I got whacked at school and I was by no means a bad kid. It did however have a deep impact on me and to this day I have a deep distrust of anyone in authority and I question everything and everyone, the more authoritative they are or the higher the position they hold the more I question them and their motives.

A couple of physical assaults spring to mind, I once got the cane for getting a page of logarithms wrong. I'd been off school the day before for a dentists appointment and I missed the log lesson but I did get the homework. After a little bafflement I thought I'd worked it out but didn't know to subtract 1 in anti logs... (I think that was it...) and so got the whole page wrong. Despite my explanation the female deputy head summoned me and I was caned.

One earlier and particularly formative episode was when a few of us were getting our bottoms spanked by Mr Hill (a person of interest if ever there was one.) He was going to spank us all until the guilty party owned up (it wasn't me) For my defiance and refusal to cry he said he was going to hit me harder and he did. I didn't cry but I did lose count of the number of times that grown man felt the need to spank my young boys bottom and I hope that sadistic little borderline kiddie fiddler now burns in hell.

A few of the worst things I saw should have resulted in the teachers being sacked and prosecuted...Stuff I saw...
A woman teacher throwing a crying girl down a flight of stairs.
A teacher walking into another teachers lesson and throwing a boy across a table and repeatedly banging his head off a gas tap.
A teacher rummaging through a teenage girls handbag and instigating a row which left her in tears. Mild by some standards but what got me about that little episode was that it was completely uncalled for and the teacher simply created a drama in an otherwise perfectly quiet and attentive class. He just picked up her handbag and started rummaging through it.

I don't have an answer as to how discipline should be imposed and maintained but I am convinced that physical assault isn't the answer and shouldn't be allowed.
 
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woof woof said:
I lost count of the number of times I got whacked at school and I was by no means a bad kid. It did however have a deep impact on me and to this day I have a deep distrust of anyone in authority and I question everything and everyone, the more authoritative they are or the higher the position they hold the more I question them and their motives.

A couple of physical assaults spring to mind, I once got the cane for getting a page of logarithms wrong. I'd been off school the day before for a dentists appointment and I missed the log lesson but I did get the homework. After a little bafflement I thought I'd worked it out but didn't know to subtract 1 in anti logs... (I think that was it...) and so got the whole page wrong. Despite my explanation the female deputy head summoned me and I was caned.

One earlier and particularly formative episode was when a few of us were getting our bottoms spanked by Mr Hill (a person of interest if ever there was one.) He was going to spank us all until the guilty party owned up (it wasn't me) For my defiance and refusal to cry he said he was going to hit me harder and he did. I didn't cry but I did lose count of the number of times that grown man felt the need to spank my young boys bottom and I hope that sadistic little borderline kiddie fiddler now burns in hell.

A few of the worst things I saw should have resulted in the teachers being sacked and prosecuted...Stuff I saw...
A woman teacher throwing a crying girl down a flight of stairs.
A teacher walking into another teachers lesson and throwing a boy across a table and repeatedly banging his head off a gas tap.
A teacher rummaging through a teenage girls handbag and instigating a row which left her in tears. Mild by some standards but what got me about that little episode was that it was completely uncalled for and the teacher simply created a drama in an otherwise perfectly quiet and attentive class. He just picked up her handbag and started rummaging through it.

I don't have an answer as to how discipline should be imposed and maintained but I am convinced that physical assault isn't the answer and shouldn't be allowed.
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Totally unacceptable. May have thought to have been in whatever decade it happened. But no.
 
viv1969 said:
A ruler slap says P**** to you?
Cause all I'm hearing is bitter little kid :)
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Bitter? Me? No. I don't give enough flying f's to give a poo about them now.
 
woof woof said:
I lost count of the number of times I got whacked at school and I was by no means a bad kid. It did however have a deep impact on me and to this day I have a deep distrust of anyone in authority and I question everything and everyone, the more authoritative they are or the higher the position they hold the more I question them and their motives.

A couple of physical assaults spring to mind, I once got the cane for getting a page of logarithms wrong. I'd been off school the day before for a dentists appointment and I missed the log lesson but I did get the homework. After a little bafflement I thought I'd worked it out but didn't know to subtract 1 in anti logs... (I think that was it...) and so got the whole page wrong. Despite my explanation the female deputy head summoned me and I was caned.

One earlier and particularly formative episode was when a few of us were getting our bottoms spanked by Mr Hill (a person of interest if ever there was one.) He was going to spank us all until the guilty party owned up (it wasn't me) For my defiance and refusal to cry he said he was going to hit me harder and he did. I didn't cry but I did lose count of the number of times that grown man felt the need to spank my young boys bottom and I hope that sadistic little borderline kiddie fiddler now burns in hell.

A few of the worst things I saw should have resulted in the teachers being sacked and prosecuted...Stuff I saw...
A woman teacher throwing a crying girl down a flight of stairs.
A teacher walking into another teachers lesson and throwing a boy across a table and repeatedly banging his head off a gas tap.
A teacher rummaging through a teenage girls handbag and instigating a row which left her in tears. Mild by some standards but what got me about that little episode was that it was completely uncalled for and the teacher simply created a drama in an otherwise perfectly quiet and attentive class. He just picked up her handbag and started rummaging through it.

I don't have an answer as to how discipline should be imposed and maintained but I am convinced that physical assault isn't the answer and shouldn't be allowed.
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And many current cases of alleged paedophilia are based on nothing more than ridiculous baseless statements like that.
 
Cobra said:
Ah yes the happiest days of our lives
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If your schooldays are the happiest time of your life you have wasted your adulthood.
 
viv1969 said:
A ruler slap says P**** to you?
Cause all I'm hearing is bitter little kid :)
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where as it says sociopathic Jackal to you ?

Its funny how its totally unacceptable in your eyes for others to mention paedophilic tendencies in their teachers, but its okay for you to brand your teachers as sociopaths ...
 
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@ woof woof that makes pretty horrific reading, but it's a fact of life that some people in a position of power will always abuse it :-(
 
big soft moose said:
where as it says sociopathic Jackal to you ?

Its funny how its totally unacceptable in your eyes for others to mention paedophilic tendencies in their teachers, but its okay for you to brand your teachers as sociopaths ...
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Tell us about the time you had a mate who.........

:sleep:
 
woof woof said:
I lost count of the number of times I got whacked at school and I was by no means a bad kid. It did however have a deep impact on me and to this day I have a deep distrust of anyone in authority and I question everything and everyone, the more authoritative they are or the higher the position they hold the more I question them and their motives.
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Not necessarily a bad thing? ;) Maybe we should all do that. ( I know I do :D )
 
viv1969 said:
And many current cases of alleged paedophilia are based on nothing more than ridiculous baseless statements like that.
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You weren't there, I was.

Maybe in your world it's acceptable for a grown man to repeatedly and with seeming glee spank young boys?

If you have children would you be happy for a middle aged man to repeatedly spank them?
 
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@ woof woof that makes pretty horrific reading, but it's a fact of life that some people in a position of power will always abuse it :-(
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Physical abuse wasn't a daily occurrence but the threat was more or less ever present and no one ever said anything like "I know my rights! You can't do that!" and no one went running to the police or to the headmaster.

Even at the time I saw these poor teachers for what they were, they were inadequate, poor people with borderline personality disorders (actually, maybe some of them were far from borderline) getting their rocks off intimidating and assaulting children. I have no doubt what so ever that some of them did enjoy it, they must have done as I saw them create a problem and an opportunity to carry out an assault on a child out of nothing. That just isn't the action of a normal and well adjusted adult.

Shame on them and all like them.

I've just remembered another particularly unpleasant incident when I was put up against a wall by a male teacher who then put his fist to my nose and pressed hard. He didn't break it but it was a painful experience. My crime was talking in a corridor.

Maybe viv1969 thinks this is all ok but anyone with a functioning brain would I hope accept that physical assault if it can be justified at all should only happen in the worst possible scenarios such as a pupil attacking another child or member of staff or through behaviour putting lives in danger.
 
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woof woof said:
You weren't there, I was.

Maybe in your world it's acceptable for a grown man to repeatedly and with seeming glee spank young boys?

If you have children would you be happy for a middle aged man to repeatedly spank them?
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In fact you have no idea if he was gleeful or not.
And no, I have no living children, but if I did I'd still have no issues with corporal punishment in schools, or much greater levels of discipline in general, because it's clear that homes and an education system without either is, to a large degree, producing a generation of feral little animals who will in turn grow up whining about their lack of benefits and general sense of entitlement.
And sly digs about functioning brains, are about as legitimate as suggesting that even as a boy you knew these teachers were people with "borderline personality disorders". Yes, of course you did.
 
woof woof said:
Maybe viv1969 thinks this is all ok but anyone with a functioning brain would I hope accept that physical assault if it can be justified at all should only happen in the worst possible scenarios such as a pupil attacking another child or member of staff or through behaviour putting lives in danger.
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assaulting a child is never okay - reasonable force to restrain a child from attacking annother is a very different thing to the sort of thing you re describing - our teachers were mostly okay ... there was one teacher who disapeared after a term... alledgedly after getting caught touching himself while watching the lower year in the showers, but that may have been a school urban myth

We also had a maths teacher who used to regularly turn up drunk to afternoon lessons- he wasn't abusive, but jack s*** used to get done in his lessons (to prempt the inevitable and tiresome "you don't know that he was drunk" garbage from the usual suspect - no we don't absolutely know what his blood alcohol level was, but slurring his words, stinking of beer, and regularly beeing seen staggering out of the red lion pub 10 minuutes before the end of lunch time are a fair indicator)

apart from that we had a couple of chalk throwers and a french teacher who used to belittle anyone whos accent wasnt perfect ( french was last thing friday so i used to remedy that problem by bunking off)
 
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viv1969 said:
In fact you have no idea if he was gleeful or not.
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he has more idea than you do ! , you know what with being a witness and everything
 
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I've got a spare jar here if anyone wants to save their breath? Just saying like.
 
I'm too young to of been through a school system like you guys but there was the one teacher in primary school who was a teacher while physical punishments were acceptable. He used to pull some kids by their ear and that was all it took to guarantee everyone behaved. The rumors of how he used to cane the crap out of our parents also helped everyone behave.

My mother has told me about how in her high school, the teachers had mirrors on their shoes so they could check if the girls were wearing the correct underwear as even that was part of the uniform. Which to me is a bit...

But my school, had a lot of trouble makers. I'm not really sure if physically punishing them would of made much of a difference, as they seemed hellbent on causing problems. But giving them a detention and suspension sure didn't and there needed to be some more severe punishment. Most of them saw suspensions as extra time off, so gladly accepted them.
The punishments very rarely fitted the crime. More severe incidents like a girl setting another girls hair on fire, resulted in the same detention as forgetting to do your home work. That particular incident didn't even warrant the police getting involved yet if that happened on the street, the girl would of been arrested.

I think the problem with my school, and so many others is that they want to give the impression of being this perfect school with perfect students. My school didn't want to accept that bullying, drug abuse etc was going on as it would ruin the perfect image. It's easier to ignore it and pretend it isn't happening than deal with the problem.
 
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big soft moose said:
assaulting a child is never okay - reasonable force to restrain a child from attacking annother is a very different thing to the sort of thing you re describing - our teachers were mostly okay ... there was one teacher who disapeared after a term... alledgedly after getting caught touching himself while watching the lower year in the showers, but that may have been a school urban myth

We also had a maths teacher who used to regularly turn up drunk to afternoon lessons- he wasn't abusive, but jack s*** used to get done in his lessons (to prempt the inevitable and tiresome "you don't know that he was drunk" garbage from the usual suspect - no we don't absolutely know what his blood alcohol level was, but slurring his words, stinking of beer, and regularly beeing seen staggering out of the red lion pub 10 minuutes before the end of lunch time are a fair indicator)

apart from that we had a couple of chalk throwers and a french teacher who used to belittle anyone whos accent wasnt perfect ( french was last thing friday so i used to remedy that problem by bunking off)
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Wait wait....let me guess...
This one time, at Band Camp.....
:lol:
 
Alisonfd said:
. The rumors of how he used to cane the crap out of our parents also helped everyone behave.

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an interesting take on parents evening...
 
woof woof said:
I've just remembered another particularly unpleasant incident when I was put up against a wall by a male teacher who then put his fist to my nose and pressed hard.
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That reminds me, there was one lad that I was kinda friendly with, a year above me,
he was a big lad, not fat, by any means, as 'ard as nails I think is the expression of the day,
He was a bit of a b****r at times, but there was no harm in him, quite the opposite.

He was wrongly accused of doing something, I forget what it was now.
Called to the deputy head for 6 of the best, protesting his innocence, he bent over took his punishment.
When it was done, he stood up and said something like, have you finished?
And then laid out said deputy head, one punch.
 
viv1969 said:
Wait wait....let me guess...
This one time, at Band Camp.....
:LOL:
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you arent in a good position to make that gibe - what with your extended family who have suffered from every ailment known to man , and your claim further up this thread


viv1969 said:
That sounds like paradise compared with being educated by a bunch of sociopathic jackals nuns.
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.... theres only one person posting in this thread who needs to look up 'black catting' and it isnt me.
 
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big soft moose said:
you arent in a good position to make that gibe - what with your extended family who have suffered from every ailment known to man , and your claim further up this thread to have been educated by nuns who were all sociopathic jackals.... theres only one person posting in this thread who needs to look up 'black catting' and it isnt me.
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Whatever you say Walter :-)
 
our woodwork teacher looked like cat weazel.. used to throw lumps of wood at you and lock you in the cupboard.

scariest were the two PE teachers though. bioth played rugby at national level and i recall one day i couldnt do PE and my mum asked my sister to write the note as she was busy dealing with my brother.
teacher didnt believe me and accused me of forging the note. so was first made to do PE in underpants, then after hauled into the office which was essentially a broom cupboard in the gym changing room and had about 10 minutes of abuse yelled at me from both teachers from a distance of about 6 feet away.
the smell alone in that little room was enough to put fear of god in you but combine that with 2 6ft 3+ welsh madmen yelling at a me a puny 14 yr old until there eyes were bulging and the veins on there necks were throbbing in time to the welsh rants to the point they looked like they were going to burst and i eventually emerged broken and still need therapy to cope with the trauma of it all.

saying that i think we should bring back national service to get the scumbag teenagers off the streets and teach em a thing or two about discpline and respect.

and monty pythons meaning of life... teachers v students rugby.... shudder.. so true
 
viv1969 said:
This one time, at Band Camp.....
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big soft moose said:
theres only one person posting in this thread who needs to look up 'black catting' and it isnt me.
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Its getting like a bloody playground in here.............................,
Oh wait its a thread about schools, as you were :p
Well most of you anyway
 
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Cobra said:
Its getting like a bloody playground in here.............................,
Oh wait its a thread about schools, as you were :p
Well most of you anyway
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just so you arent going to bend us over the desk and spank us ;) - mind you Ruth might think that kind of rough and ready discipline is fine :lol:
 
ahhh playgrounds.. the feaeful place for the 1st year students... getting binned by the older kids ( normally when the bin was full with rotting rubbish and angry wasps, and the fun times of a toilet hair wash.. head down.. flush... and if you were lucky there were no floaters in there.
our music teacher once talking about riots stated that if we went on a riot in the school we would most likely kill him but he would take along several of us with him.. and he was a highly religious nut too!
 
dean messenger said:
our music teacher once talking about riots stated that if we went on a riot in the school we would most likely kill him but he would take along several of us with him.. and he was a highly religious nut too!
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He may have been ex SAS you never know what dark secrets some people try to hide with "other professions"
Just look at Steven the seagull un assuming cook, takes out a whole platoon of mercs
Under siege I think it was :D
 
Cobra said:
I've not totally made up my mind yet You maybe lucky, you may not :p
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Do it to his mate....they make for better stories. :lol:
 
viv1969 said:
Do it to his mate....they make for better stories. :LOL:
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you have a mate too don't you ruth - the one that lends you pictures to tell lies about (unless you just made her up too and ripped them off some unsuspecting girls flickr)
 
And by the way @big soft moose love to see your list of "every ailment known to man". ;)
 
SarahLee said:
Yeah, but which unlucky mod's going to get that particular short straw?
I'm logging off for the night before Marcel asks us us to draw them :wideyed:
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I get all the crap jobs :(
 
mark richards said:
yeah, i remember PE very well...tried the, "forgot my kit sir".. thats ok , wear these... girls gym shorts, brown in colour and four sizes to big for me, never tried that one again..
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not sure what was worse. pe in underpants or being made to do swimming ( in your underpants ) in the bloody freezing outdoor pool that was so murky and green you couldnt see the bottom and when you got out either the pants had become see through or was so heavy with water ended up halfway down ya backside and of course opposite the pool was the girls playing tennis all laughing... cruel harsh world we lived in back then
 
dean messenger said:
not sure what was worse. pe in underpants or being made to do swimming ( in your underpants ) in the bloody freezing outdoor pool that was so murky and green you couldnt see the bottom and when you got out either the pants had become see through or was so heavy with water ended up halfway down ya backside and of course opposite the pool was the girls playing tennis all laughing... cruel harsh world we lived in back then
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Character building. (y)
 
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