Old fashioned digital camera?

ndwgolf said:
thats my point............you dont see Tiger Woods playing with Chinese knock off golf clubs he uses the best there is. Thats why i shoot Leica........the best there is
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So you are to the photography world what Tiger Woods is to the golf world. Should I have heard of you? :)
 
That's clever ^^ because, now we have! :D Will we remember though? ;)
 
ndwgolf said:
you dont see Tiger Woods playing with Chinese knock off golf clubs he uses the best there is. Thats why i shoot Leica........the best there is
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You do realise in expressing that analogy in that way you've elevated yourself to being one of the best photographers in the world? Are you sure that's actually right? :cuckoo:
 
He may well be. Unlike a sport, there is no official ranking, or way of doing so even. Is there a best in the world?
 
iancandler said:
Well things have moved on since the original post both in models released and the tech available.

Whilst I still am in favour of the OP's concept as I love having a shutter speed dial and aperture dial that work properly there are alternatives out there.

The Fuji x100s & X20 have answered a lot of the questions as far as fast AF goes, both employing a hybrid system with both contrast detect and on sensor phase detect, the combination has given them very fast focus speeds.

As for the OP's concept it was pretty much realised with the X-Pro1 as it meets most of his criteria,the AF speed has continually speeded up with body & lens firmware updates the future updated models will no doubt feature the same focus system's as the X100s and the manual focus has been much improved over the original X100's slow effort.
Direct access to ISO is via an assignable Fn button or the rear Q menu, though I would still love to see an ISO dial on the left hand side of the top plate.

Auto ISO? Not interested, it comes with constraints such as not being able to use manual exposure compensation in manual mode, you need to be in a set ISO to be able to adjust the shutter speed or aperture to compensate your exposure otherwise the auto setting just shift the ISO to compensate for the setting you use and you get a "correctly" exposed image rather than one with the exposure compensation you want.
Yes it can be handy on a changeable day with fluctuating light levels but its not important to me personally.

Manual focus though not as bad can be sidestepped by using an adaptor and various manual lenses, including Leica's, so thats really not an issue.

For years I'd longed for a digital version of the nikon FM, the X-Pro1 is the nearest I've found to it so far.

I also still think if fuji came out with a retro styled DSLR with top plate controls such as shutter speed dial and aperture rings on the lenses it would sail off the shelves.
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RE auto iso on the x100,

You can quickly get to the setting by long pressing fn button and going left twice. Not as easy as it could be, but a lot quicker than going through the menus each time.
 
Can we talk a wee bit about Leica Lenses considering this thread is about "Old Fashion Digital Camera's"
They say that Leica lenses are the best glass in the world (highest price for sure) but are they really the best? Is there anything else out there that compares to it.
Also is the Leica shooting experience more rewarding when shooting with a fully manual camera, compared to say a Nikon D600 which nowadays is more of a point and shoot...................just asking
 
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ndwgolf said:
Can we talk a wee bit about Leica Lenses considering this thread is about "Old Fashion Digital Camera's"
They say that Leica lenses are the best glass in the world (highest price for sure) but are they really the best?
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They might be the best (or close) for putting an image onto a postage stamp sized piece of 35mm film but that is the weak point. Film is available in formats up to 24" x 16" and even a mediocre lens which can project an image onto a piece of film that size will produce a superior image.

Even slightly lower quality lenses on medium or large format will beat a Leica lens.


Steve.
 
ndwgolf said:
Also is the Leica shooting experience more rewarding when shooting with a fully manual camera, compared to say a Nikon D600 which nowadays is more of a point and shoot
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Does what you're shooting require the control of manual or do you just have the notion that exclusively using manual somehow earns you 'clever photographer brownie points'? If it's the former then it probably is more enjoyable because you're using technique to get the results you want, if it's the latter then I'd say it's just a little misguided. :)
 
PMN said:
Does what you're shooting require the control of manual or do you just have the notion that exclusively using manual somehow earns you 'clever photographer brownie points'? If it's the former then it probably is more enjoyable because you're using technique to get the results you want, if it's the latter then I'd say it's just a little misguided. :)
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For me, it's neither. I grew up and started photography long before AF, AE and different metering modes were available, and we used manual because there wasn't any choice. I'm still very comfortable with it and use my F2 and FM occaisonally, although I'm not a film junkie! I just enjoy the simple, very direct, controls on the older cameras.

I normally use aperture or shutter priority on my DSLR, but I like knowing that I can revert to manual confidently, if I want/need to.
 
ndwgolf said:
Also is the Leica shooting experience more rewarding when shooting with a fully manual camera, compared to say a Nikon D600 which nowadays is more of a point and shoot...................just asking
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Whether it is more rewarding is up to you. Do I find it rewarding to manually set aperture shutter and ISO, no I don't. I am more interested in the quickest way to get the camera to do what I want and utilising built in algorithms that make it easier makes it a better experience for me.
 
ernesto said:
Whether it is more rewarding is up to you. Do I find it rewarding to manually set aperture shutter and ISO, no I don't. I am more interested in the quickest way to get the camera to do what I want and utilising built in algorithms that make it easier makes it a better experience for me.
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I'm exactly the same when I'm shooting digital and film on my EOS 10. If you understand exposure and how to use exposure compensation then there's actually nothing to really be gained by using full manual over Av or Tv, in most circumstances it's just a slower way of doing exactly the same thing.
 
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PMN said:
And pointless.

I was going to say let's get back to the point but to be honest I think the point grew legs and buggered off long ago...
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Because you didn't understand it? Do you want it spelled out? You said he must think he's the best in the world because of how he worded one post ... [talk about nonsense!] So my post states there is no such thing as the #1 or "best in the world" at photography, it fits right in. And it's also correct, there is NO best in the world at something that is so subjective. Most popular, maybe. Ernesto had already covered this in his post, you just copied that and it grew legs ...


In short; It was only as pointless as your Tiger Woods jibe. You're talking some silly stuff here lately, and nit-picking everything everyone else says it seems. That's the second time you've tried the "your posts make no sense to me" trick. Do you have an actual reason or point? I'm actually thinking seriously that you're just trolling to up your post count. Because there is no other apparent reason to your posting in response to every other post.


Steve Smith said:
It should be an Olympic event.

There have been stranger categories:
http://thepoodleanddogblog.typepad.com/the_poodle_and_dog_blog/2008/08/weirdest-olympic-event.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_competitions_at_the_Olympic_Games


Steve.
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Yes, you got it a bit better
 
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PMN said:
Seriously, get real.
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Let's take our own advice here, huh?

I'm not entertaining you anymore. It's pretty obvious what you're at, because pretending not make any sense of perfectly understandable posts IS trolling for the sake of it.

Can we get back OT now?

I love my Fuji X100s. I think it looks good as a Leica for 1/5th the cost :D
 
Give it a rest you two, unless you want an enforced 'rest'?
 
To the OP, does the X100s version have what you require? Sure its not full frame, but the ISO performance on it is awesome.
 
James J said:
To the OP, does the X100s version have what you require? Sure its not full frame, but the ISO performance on it is awesome.
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I have the X100, not the X100s and it is so close to perfection, but even the X100s version is a little slow in focusing. The Olympus OM-D pretty much does what I want. It's lighting fast to focus, looks great and has amazing prime lenses.

I think the x-pro1 or X-e1 would also be a great choice but again the focus isn't quick enough for taking photos of my kids in low light.

But apart from the focus, they are exactly what I would want.

I enjoy using the OM-D so much and it adds speed and flexibility to the Fujis.

What made me start the thread was using my old Pentax ME super and 50mm lens and thinking, why can't I get a digital camera that has the feeling, build and style of an old SLR or rangefinder but with the technology of a modern DSLR.

I think the X100s looks closest to this but the OM-D gives me the same feeling that I wanted. With one of the primes, it's a fantastic camera to use.
 
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