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Was thinking of getting the new iMac but following the replacement of the 'new' iPad with iPad 4 yesterday am rethinking the plan with Apple. I have been waiting for ages to replace my current iMac thinking that the newer Ivy Bridge CPU would give some extra time on the life of the iMac. Now it seems that I have to have a lighter desktop at an inflated price. I have a sturdy desk.

I have been outside the MS/PC route for so long I have little idea of what I need. I'll have to make the move from Aperture to Lightroom 4 and this will be the main reason for the PC. What is the minimum spec that will comfortably work with LR4? Before you say that the spec will be on the Adobe website, I'd rather know what spec will make LR4 a joy to use.

Grateful for your advice.
 
Tulipone said:
Was thinking of getting the new iMac but following the replacement of the 'new' iPad with iPad 4 yesterday am rethinking the plan with Apple.
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I missed something here. What has the release of the new ipad got to do with your want for a new iMac?
 
...rethinking the plan with Apple.

I am irritated that Apple replaces a product (I own) within 7 months. I understand the cries of that is what technology does, but the fan base suddenly appears to be stupid. I buy an iMac for £2k+ with Ivy Bridge CPU, then 7 months later replaces it with Haswell. Whilst I understand that the thing I bought didn't decrease in usability or value (until I sell) but its perceived life has.

If I buy something I can upgrade myself, my decision that probably would't cost quite so much and end up on someone else's time line.
 
Why not get a Mac mini and a apple Cinema Display?

That way, when you do have to upgrade on the future all you'll only have to replace the mini which will be cheaper
 
OK, do you want to build or buy a pre-built?

Latest i5 (i5-3xxx), 8-16G mem plus an SSD + HDD is where it starts to get interesting for PCs...
 
I'm happy to build - but finding the array of Motherboards and CPUs far too difficult to plow through. I guess I'm looking for a 3rd gen Intel CPU, 16Gb ram. The good old days were exactly that - far less range and scope to go wrong!
 
arad85 said:
OK, do you want to build or buy a pre-built?

Latest i5 (i5-3xxx), 8-16G mem plus an SSD + HDD is where it starts to get interesting for PCs...
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This is exactly what I'm suggesting for a friend of mine who was looking at imacs. Tons more grunt for a big chunk less cash.
 
Glad to see the 3 iPads I have bought in the last 3 months are now replaced. I was expecting it to be the current model for a year, not replaced this quickly :(
 
Why is it such a big deal when they bring out new stuff though? If you like what you have who cares what else is out there!!

So the new imac has just about been released... Yay that means the current models price will go down and you can save a bundle!

I have the iPad 3 (the new iPad) and have no desire or intention for the 4 or the mini... I just don't get what the problem is... Microsoft based systems have a new model or type with better features almost weekly and there is nowhere near the amount of complaints about that!!
 
StephyB said:
Why is it such a big deal when they bring out new stuff though?
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I'm failing to see the significance of this too. It's like as soon as a new model is released people think their old one no longer works :shrug:
 
Fragmentation ;) the evil word often associated with Android - in reality it is a bad feeling for the user and not a huge amount else, but the feeling is bad enough for some to cause them to switch to somewhere else.

Yes in the PC world there are always new PC bits, but it is an optional piece by piece upgrade and users are never told they can't have features because their PC is over a year old. (Siri, wireless mirroring from older macs).
 
joescrivens said:
I'm failing to see the significance of this too. It's like as soon as a new model is released people think their old one no longer works :shrug:
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No, it's at least 2 new models out before Apple drop support for older devices... :rolleyes: ;)
 
arad85 said:
No, it's at least 2 new models out before Apple drop support for older devices... :rolleyes: ;)
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define "drop support"? preferably with an example.

You can still get tech support with ios4 and ios5. Also as a developer I know that any app I developed which ran on ios4 has to always support ios4 - i cannot update it and use any ios5 features once it has been in the wild.

So I'm not sure what you are referring to?
 
New features in new IOS not being supported on older devices.

Wireless mirroring and during being 2 good examples of features not being available on 1 year old devices, but not for any real hardware reasons.
 
...so now I have been offered the dogs nuts '11 iMac. Kind of relieved not to go back to Windows right now, but intend to start moving away from depedance on Apple. I understand Joes stance and I'm still enjoying the iPad 3, but have decided I want to be on my update path rather than someone else's.
 
Dale_d3100 said:
New features in new IOS not being supported on older devices.

Wireless mirroring and during being 2 good examples of features not being available on 1 year old devices, but not for any real hardware reasons.
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That's not lack of support that's just not futureproofing. Happens with all computer devices. Plus it's a new feature so it doesn't affect your usability of the previous model. It's not like you lose any features you just don't get stuff you didn't have to start with. Like I said above, people seem to think their device somehow no longer works because it doesn't have a feature it didn't have the day before the new one was released.

and by the way, I agree that mirroring thing was lame. It affected me too.
 
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joescrivens said:
That's not lack of support that's just not futureproofing. Happens with all computer devices. Plus it's a new feature so it doesn't affect your usability of the previous model. It's not like you lose any features you just don't get stuff you didn't have to start with. Like I said above, people seem to think their device somehow no longer works because it doesn't have a feature it didn't have the day before the new one was released.
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I don't think that's really the issue, Apple intentionally holding back features so that they can just sell them to you as a new and wonderful breakthrough in the next product, is.

The original iPhone didn't even have 3G, and because of that o2 had to roll out EDGE in as many places as they could here, because without that the iPhone would have been nearly useless, as it wouldn't recognise existing 3G towers, and GPRS is next to useless.

Then there's the fact that the iPhone 3G could not originally record video. The phone had to be jailbroken, and doing this proved the phone could record video, Apple just chose not to allow it... so they could make it a major selling point of the 3GS. The same goes for Siri only being on the 4S, they say that it's because there's a special piece of hardware only in the 4S that allows it (something to do with noise cancelling and heightened voice recognition), but I'm very skeptical!
 
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joescrivens said:
That's not lack of support that's just not futureproofing. Happens with all computer devices. Plus it's a new feature so it doesn't affect your usability of the previous model. It's not like you lose any features you just don't get stuff you didn't have to start with. Like I said above, people seem to think their device somehow no longer works because it doesn't have a feature it didn't have the day before the new one was released.

and by the way, I agree that mirroring thing was lame. It affected me too.
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But it isn't because the hardware can't support it. It is a choice Apple have made.

Name a feature in Windows 7 that is only available to a certain processor or motherboard from the last year?

Windows 7 will work on any computer you can install it on. The only thing that gets disabled is Aero to improve performance, but that only changes visual styles and keyboard short looks different.

I bought a laptop 3 years ago, I was able to upgrade from Vista, to 7 and now Windows 8, all features still work.
 
And you made the choice for windows. Others made the choice for apple... I grew up with windows, have almost always used windows and have always had problems with it. I'm really looking forward to just having a computer that does it all for me.
 
joescrivens said:
So I'm not sure what you are referring to?
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Inability to upgrade to the newest OS because the device is 2 years old and Apple have dropped support for it in their new OS because the hardware is 2 generations old.

But you knew that.
 
joescrivens said:
That's not lack of support that's just not futureproofing. Happens with all computer devices.
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But not on the timescales it is happening with Apple products at the moment. You expect a premium price product to have premium support. It just doesn't seem Apple think that way.
 
I have one interesting point regarding windows 7 and 'disabled' features.

If you buy the Microsoft touch mouse, you can get an OSXish style exposé for all open windows. However I've had this randomly happen twice so far, so it's definitely already in Windows, it just isn't accessible without the hardware.

A very Apple like way to deal with an Apple like feature on Windows...luckily the only example of it to memory on the PC side of things!
 
Does anyone remember the days when you could post a question in a thread on TP without people digging at each other?

Thanks to those that tried to answer. My apologies for inadvertently raising the Windows is better than Apple thing to the others.
 
Dale_d3100 said:
No Adam, user error ;)

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/59736-view-all-open-windows-1-screen-mac-osx-style.html

Just a setting that mouse had enabled by default.
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You had me all excited then! It's not Flip3D. It has each window separate and flat instead of angled and on a roll. So, actually useful, unlike Flip3D. It's something only the new touch mouse is meant to have but I've definitely seen windows do it all by itself.

And sorry to the OP! I think however you should just build whatever you can afford to build and concentrate on fast HDD/SSDs. I'd be hard pressed to build a computer today that can't run LR4 well (unless you're rocking a D800 or bigger, maybe...) the only thing slowing down my 3 year old laptop is the slow HDD.
 
Tulipone said:
Does anyone remember the days when you could post a question in a thread on TP without people digging at each other?

Thanks to those that tried to answer. My apologies for inadvertently raising the Windows is better than Apple thing to the others.
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A good point. There were a few posts above I was about to respond to but you're right, it will continue to derail the topic so I'll leave it there :thumbs:
 
I think the price will kill it for the general non Apple fan consumer. If they had priced it competitively i.e. at £200 I would have bought one myself just out of curiosity but £270 is a step too far for curiosity's sake.

A friend is looking at a 7" device of some kind and is interested in the N7, he's an iPhone user (non techie) and I would have advised him to wait for the iPad mini just for app compatibility but again the price outweighs the benefit in my eyes.
 
is £70 really that much money when you are spending £200 on a luxury device anyway?

What I mean is, £70 is a lot of money to some people, but those people wouldn't be buying a luxury device like an ipad, they'll be spending it on food and bills.
 
Tulipone said:
I'm happy to build - but finding the array of Motherboards and CPUs far too difficult to plow through. I guess I'm looking for a 3rd gen Intel CPU, 16Gb ram. The good old days were exactly that - far less range and scope to go wrong!
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That was my initial fear also, there are so many different types of processors and motherboards that I was worried about compatability but it turned out to be very straightforward. I just started with the processor and went from there, so I went for an Ivybridge processor so looked for an Ivybridge motherboard and just made sure the socket was supported. www.scan.co.uk etc made it easy for me to check up on everything :)
 
Steep said:
I think the price will kill it for the general non Apple fan consumer. If they had priced it competitively i.e. at £200 I would have bought one myself just out of curiosity but £270 is a step too far for curiosity's sake.

A friend is looking at a 7" device of some kind and is interested in the N7, he's an iPhone user (non techie) and I would have advised him to wait for the iPad mini just for app compatibility but again the price outweighs the benefit in my eyes.
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As someone who had an android tablet and switched to the ipad, it is worth it.

As much as i hate it, it does just work. Media is easier with it, chrome means I get all my favourites (as I would do on android), the default email app is better, various default apps are better, facebook is better, apps crash less. Annoying things are when you want to download something (iplayer or zinio for instance) you have to stay on that screen.

For me I will never use android on a tablet for a long long time. Windows 8 (not 8 RT) has a number of features iPads and Android miss out on which will make them more appealing for schools and businesses, so the tablet world will end up in a 2 horse race imo with android losing out.
 
people have to remember tht google don't have a history of making operating systems like apple and microsoft do. They just aren't very good at it because they don't have the experience that microsoft and apple have. They are 30 years behind
 
joescrivens said:
A good point. There were a few posts above I was about to respond to but you're right, it will continue to derail the topic so I'll leave it there :thumbs:
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joescrivens said:
is £70 really that much money when you are spending £200 on a luxury device anyway?

What I mean is, £70 is a lot of money to some people, but those people wouldn't be buying a luxury device like an ipad, they'll be spending it on food and bills.
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:shake:

Just to bring the OP's question back to the fore:

Tulipone said:
Was thinking of getting the new iMac but following the replacement of the 'new' iPad with iPad 4 yesterday am rethinking the plan with Apple. I have been waiting for ages to replace my current iMac thinking that the newer Ivy Bridge CPU would give some extra time on the life of the iMac. Now it seems that I have to have a lighter desktop at an inflated price. I have a sturdy desk.

I have been outside the MS/PC route for so long I have little idea of what I need. I'll have to make the move from Aperture to Lightroom 4 and this will be the main reason for the PC. What is the minimum spec that will comfortably work with LR4? Before you say that the spec will be on the Adobe website, I'd rather know what spec will make LR4 a joy to use.

Grateful for your advice.
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Perhaps the relevant fanbois should start their own thread (again) and leave this one to the OP and those that can help :shrug:
 
Not sure I agree with the apple don't support older kit, today I got an email from apple that my 3 year iMac has a seagate hard drive that may fail, they want me to bring it in to that they can replace the drive free of charge, which sound pretty good support to me.

My ipad is under a month old ( maybe 5 weeks) and now there is an upgrade, funny thing is this one still works as well as it did on monday.
 
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gman said:
That was my initial fear also, there are so many different types of processors and motherboards that I was worried about compatability but it turned out to be very straightforward. I just started with the processor and went from there, so I went for an Ivybridge processor so looked for an Ivybridge motherboard and just made sure the socket was supported. www.scan.co.uk etc made it easy for me to check up on everything :)
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yeah pretty much.

just work out how many internal hard drives you want and/or going to potentially expand to and look for the right amount of sata ports, get the correct socket number for the corresponding CPU, integrated graphics or not etc.
 
neil_g said:
just work out how many internal hard drives you want and/or going to potentially expand to
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And then double that number ;) :D
 
Maybe of interest to some, but i've just been into PCWorld/Currys and the 16gb Nexus 7 is £169 (looks like that 32gb version is imminent). Had a play with the Nexus and the 7" Galaxy and the Nexus blew it out of the water. The Samsung was laggy compared to the N7.

Not an Apple disliker by a long way, but I just prefer being able to tinker. A 10 Nexus with a custom MIUI rom would be a dream (shame that the 10" Nexus is rumoured to be a Samsung device and not Asus like the 7")
 
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