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Thanks guys, I'll add them all to my list of cameras to look into :D

At the moment I'm leaning towards a Hasselblad 500cm or a Rolleiflex/cord of some sort. I've looked a little at the Bronicas but I need to do some more reading about them first. None of them are tiny I know, but they're smaller than the RB that's for sure! Watching videos of the hassie it looks much easier to use and load than the RB too!
 
Carl Hall said:
Thanks guys, I'll add them all to my list of cameras to look into :D

At the moment I'm leaning towards a Hasselblad 500cm or a Rolleiflex/cord of some sort. I've looked a little at the Bronicas but I need to do some more reading about them first. None of them are tiny I know, but they're smaller than the RB that's for sure! Watching videos of the hassie it looks much easier to use and load than the RB too!
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My 500cm is for sale! [emoji4]

Although I'll hate to see it go. [emoji21] But the Contax had left me a little skint. [emoji23]
 
gazmorton2000 said:
My 500cm is for sale! [emoji4]

Although I'll hate to see it go. [emoji21] But the Contax had left me a little skint. [emoji23]
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Haha yeah I did see! Your photos taken with the hassie are actually part of what makes me want to get one lol. Looks like a great camera to hold and use and it looks stunning too (That doesn't matter to some people, but for some reason it does to me lol).

I won't be able to get one until mid September unfortunately. The funds are coming from overtime in July and August which I won't get until September.
 
Carl Hall said:
At the moment I'm leaning towards a Hasselblad 500cm or a Rolleiflex/cord of some sort. I've looked a little at the Bronicas but I need to do some more reading about them first. None of them are tiny I know, but they're smaller than the RB that's for sure! Watching videos of the hassie it looks much easier to use and load than the RB too!
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Unless you require some of the more unusual accessories or lenses of the extensive Hasselblad system, I really recommend the Bronica SQ-A over the Hasselblad.

I have both Bronica and Hasselblad at the moment and the Bronica handles much better, isn't nearly as quirky in operation, produces equivalent results, and the prices are far more economical. The only reason I've kept the Hasselblad is because Bronica didn't make any lenses faster than f/2.8 and the SQ system has no movement capabilities.
 
I bought a 16-20 off eBay last month for £18 including postage. Lovely little thing, although I'm terrible at judging focus distance. The viewfinder's very poky, though.
 
The handling was the reasson I originally bought a Mamiya RB67 rather than a Hasselblad. The Mamiya felt right in my hands, and the Hasselblad didn't. It is worth handling before buying (any camera) to see if it suits you.
 
If you have a bit more to spend then a flex/cord is definitely a good place to start. The 'Cord is very small and neat and I found it just as good as my current 'Flex.
 
Walk round cameras are RF's, box cameras of any denomination don't make it to my walk round list at all.
With that in mind I recommend-

Mamiya 6 or 7
Fuji g6*0 rf
Bronica 645 rf
 
joxby said:
Walk round cameras are RF's, box cameras of any denomination don't make it to my walk round list at all.
With that in mind I recommend-

Mamiya 6 or 7
Fuji g6*0 rf
Bronica 645 rf
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Oh I dunno, I often take the flex for a walk, its no bigger than that big old Fuji you suggested, they are mahoosive. :)
 
joxby said:
Walk round cameras are RF's, box cameras of any denomination don't make it to my walk round list at all.
With that in mind I recommend-

Mamiya 6 or 7
Fuji g6*0 rf
Bronica 645 rf
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Have you actually handled a Fuji GW690? They're enormous!
 
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Our lass say's...its not really about size...o_O

but less about Shepherds pie.........this is MF, Fuji's are big but in proportion, the Mamiya is slightly squarer but I wouldn't say it was smaller either and the Bronica ain't no tiny tim, but the all have one thing in common, they are flat oblongs with a lens in the middle and as such, ergonomically lend themselves more readily to walkabout than something shaped like a cube.
I'm not gonna bang on about the ergonomics of boxes because I know what the deal is, I have a full Bronica TL kit and a Mamiya 6, they're both sat on the table and I'm choosing one to go walk about with, Veronica stays on the table, I'm not mincing about with her and her bag of miscellaneous peripherals with all her handles, flaps, buttons and eyepieces sticking out all over the place on a walkabout without a very good reason, I mean I could.....but which is easiest, the Bronica just isn't..and TLR's aren't much better.
No budget has been mentioned but if we're talking Bladds it won't be threpence halpenny, an RF is my choice and recommendation, but each to their own.:)
 
You postulate a fine rebuttal sir. Well played. :)
 
If you can afford a hasselblad I would recommend getting one. I have had Bronica etrs and mamiya rz67 ii. The hasselblad is a joy to use; beautifully designed and made, relatively light, simple and with great lenses available.
 
I agree with Robclarke, I have never regretted buying my hasselblad and I doubt if I'll ever sell it.

With regard to handling I found it much easier when using the Hasselblad recommended "left- hand grip" technique. This is where you cradle the camera in your left hand with your left index finger on the release button. This leaves your right hand free for focussing, winding on the film etc.
 
skysh4rk said:
Unless you require some of the more unusual accessories or lenses of the extensive Hasselblad system, I really recommend the Bronica SQ-A over the Hasselblad.

I have both Bronica and Hasselblad at the moment and the Bronica handles much better, isn't nearly as quirky in operation, produces equivalent results, and the prices are far more economical. The only reason I've kept the Hasselblad is because Bronica didn't make any lenses faster than f/2.8 and the SQ system has no movement capabilities.
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I've been watching a few videos on youtube where a chap shows off his SQ-Ai and shows what all the buttons and features are. Really looks like a great camera and everything looks to be laid out in a logical and functional way. The photos you post on here prove it produces good quality images so it's definitely near the top of my list.

StephenM said:
The handling was the reasson I originally bought a Mamiya RB67 rather than a Hasselblad. The Mamiya felt right in my hands, and the Hasselblad didn't. It is worth handling before buying (any camera) to see if it suits you.
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I'm not totally sure if there is anywhere within a few hours of me that has a hassie in stock to try; I'm surprised you found the RB better to hold because it feels quite bulky in my hands. I will try and find somewhere that has an SQ-A and a 500C/M so I can fondle them for a bit before making any decisions :)

Andysnap said:
If you have a bit more to spend then a flex/cord is definitely a good place to start. The 'Cord is very small and neat and I found it just as good as my current 'Flex.
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I really would like a flex or cord, as the cord Va that I owned briefly (very briefly, less than a week!) felt really nice to hold and was much more compact than my C220.

joxby said:
Our lass say's...its not really about size...o_O

but less about Shepherds pie.........this is MF, Fuji's are big but in proportion, the Mamiya is slightly squarer but I wouldn't say it was smaller either and the Bronica ain't no tiny tim, but the all have one thing in common, they are flat oblongs with a lens in the middle and as such, ergonomically lend themselves more readily to walkabout than something shaped like a cube.
I'm not gonna bang on about the ergonomics of boxes because I know what the deal is, I have a full Bronica TL kit and a Mamiya 6, they're both sat on the table and I'm choosing one to go walk about with, Veronica stays on the table, I'm not mincing about with her and her bag of miscellaneous peripherals with all her handles, flaps, buttons and eyepieces sticking out all over the place on a walkabout without a very good reason, I mean I could.....but which is easiest, the Bronica just isn't..and TLR's aren't much better.
No budget has been mentioned but if we're talking Bladds it won't be threpence halpenny, an RF is my choice and recommendation, but each to their own.:)
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Robclarke said:
If you can afford a hasselblad I would recommend getting one. I have had Bronica etrs and mamiya rz67 ii. The hasselblad is a joy to use; beautifully designed and made, relatively light, simple and with great lenses available.
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I don't have a set budget at the moment as such. I'm hoping it will be about 600-650 British beer tokens, but that all depends on how much overtime I am able to do in the next two months. If I everyone in the factory makes everything correct to the drawing then I wont get much OT and I'll have a smaller budget :)
 
Carl Hall said:
I've been watching a few videos on youtube where a chap shows off his SQ-Ai and shows what all the buttons and features are. Really looks like a great camera and everything looks to be laid out in a logical and functional way. The photos you post on here prove it produces good quality images so it's definitely near the top of my list.
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To be fair, in their standard configurations, the Bronica and the Hasselblad are largely very similar cameras—both in operation and results. It's only when you start getting into the finer details that the differences emerge. Let me know if you have any questions about how the systems compare and I'd be happy to help you out.
 
Carl Hall said:
I don't have a set budget at the moment as such. I'm hoping it will be about 600-650 British beer tokens, but that all depends on how much overtime I am able to do in the next two months. If I everyone in the factory makes everything correct to the drawing then I wont get much OT and I'll have a smaller budget :)
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Blimey, with beer around £3 a pint, that's getting on for 2 grand! You can have a Mamiya 6 and all the lenses for that! :)
 
Carl Hall said:
I've been watching a few videos on youtube where a chap shows off his SQ-Ai and shows what all the buttons and features are. Really looks like a great camera and everything looks to be laid out in a logical and functional way. The photos you post on here prove it produces good quality images so it's definitely near the top of my list.
:)
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Do you come to Devon at all Carl(Plymouth way)?.... I have an SQ Ai if you wanted to have a go
 
skysh4rk said:
To be fair, in their standard configurations, the Bronica and the Hasselblad are largely very similar cameras—both in operation and results. It's only when you start getting into the finer details that the differences emerge. Let me know if you have any questions about how the systems compare and I'd be happy to help you out.
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Thanks for that, I think the Bronica is a serious consideration and I'll likely send you a couple owls with some questions when it's closer to the time :) Cheers :)

ChrisR said:
Blimey, with beer around £3 a pint, that's getting on for 2 grand! You can have a Mamiya 6 and all the lenses for that! :)
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£3 a pint! Where (or what??) are you drinking? I think I usually pay £3.70-£3.90 a pint around here :lol:

Solo man said:
Do you come to Devon at all Carl(Plymouth way)?.... I have an SQ Ai if you wanted to have a go
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Thanks for the offer Lee, I don't usually go down that way very often but I will definitely shout if I do. My vans almost ready to sleep in so I might have to have my first holiday down in Devon lol :D
 
I haven't used any of my digital gear in a few months so I decided to buy a Canon EOS camera to use my EF lenses on. Found a "mint" EOS 5 on fleabay and it arrived today :D

Stuck a roll of film through it and put a macro lens on to test it in the garden. Was blown away with it tbh! Eye controlled auto focus was cool, and it was great to shoot in aperture control again after mostly using manual cameras.

Shot some bugs and flower in the garden on some vista 200 and dropped it into boots 20 mins ago. Now I'm sitting in a coffee shop with a large mint chocolate frappacino waiting for them to be developed :D

Guess I'll know in 40 minutes whether it was money well spent, or if I've got another desk ornament haha.
 
I've had 3 EOS 30's because I keep buying them, liking the eye control AF, shooting a few rolls of Vista then deciding that I may as well shoot digital if I'm shooting AF 35mm so sell them on again. I'm coming round to my EOS 30 phase again I think but need to stay strong... :0)
 
Love my EOS3 to bits - yes, it does handle rather like a modern digital camera, and I can see the argument for "may as well just shoot digital" if you're using AF, et al... but, there are times* when It's REALLY nice to have a film camera that shares all the lovely modern L glass, and isn't confusing to swap back and forth with a digital camera, and for that, my EOS3 is worth every penny.



* times for example when a friends band wanted my help, not only to get some colour shots, but some "moody B&W's - you know, like the stuff we used to see in the NME that was shot on film... can you do that on a modern camera" - "Why should I, I can shoot it on film for you if you want" - "Hell Yeah, that would be great" - "okay, no extra charge (over the cost of film stock and processing of course)" - "Cool". So I got to shoot the band using both the digital for colour stuff and the EOS-3 for some stuff on Fillum... They Even wanted "contact sheets" so they could do the "red chinagraph pencil" thing on them before scanning them and using them on some promo stuff...
 
This is why I keep my Nikon f100, sometimes it's nice to keep it simple.
 
I like the idea of the eye tracking af but I have no other Canon gear and I'm not buying into yet another system.
 
steveo_mcg said:
I like the idea of the eye tracking af but I have no other Canon gear and I'm not buying into yet another system.
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I'm strictly shooting 6x6 medium format, so eye-controlled autofocus won't be much use to me either, but I have to wonder how this isn't more prevalent.
 
skysh4rk said:
Eye-controlled autofocus? I just had to google this to confirm, as it sounds too good to be true. How has this technology not been incorporated into more cameras?

This seems far more useful than freakin' wifi in a camera. :thinking:
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General answers seem to be (a) marketing decision and (b) reliability, with some users reporting it just didn't work for them. Wasn't calibrated for the particular user's eye shape...
 
I found the eye AF quite good actually. It has 7 points in a diamond shape and once you've run the configuration steps a few times in different orientations it was pretty responsive. The only issue is that if you look away from the AF point it automatically re-focusses so it takes a bit of practise at first!

As above, I don't think it's great if you wear glasses as your eye needs to be close to the viewfinder but overall it was a lot faster to focus than I expected. This is one I shot with with a 50/1.8 and auto focussed on a radio controlled helicopter hovering in a dull room;

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skysh4rk said:
I'm strictly shooting 6x6 medium format, so eye-controlled autofocus won't be much use to me either, but I have to wonder how this isn't more prevalent.
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Yeah, not sure it would help on the 54 but it would be fantastic for the infernal box.
 
skysh4rk said:
Eye-controlled autofocus? I just had to google this to confirm, as it sounds too good to be true. How has this technology not been incorporated into more cameras?

This seems far more useful than freakin' wifi in a camera. :thinking:
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Works great for me on the EOS3 to be honest, look at the AF focus point and it just snaps into focus. It amazes me that they didn't add it to the digital stuff - even if it didn't work, you could switch it off anyway, but for the people it DID work for it was bloody brilliant!
 
Gordy straps are lovely, sometimes a bit harsh at first, but get better and better as you use them more. You can speed up the process by flexing them between your fingers as you sit watching the telly!
 
Carl Hall said:
Had to go pick a parcel up from the post office during my lunch. I am officially the coolest person in the office now :cool:
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wheres the RF, can't have 2 TLRs on the same mug and no RF !!!

I mean....gawd

a P67 could be the focal plane rep, but no RF = marginalized & a substantial reduction in cool points...


:D
 
ChrisR said:
Gordy straps are lovely, sometimes a bit harsh at first, but get better and better as you use them more. You can speed up the process by flexing them between your fingers as you sit watching the telly!
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Ah that is true! But all leather is like that, or I should say almost all leather. With use it gets better and lasts for a lifetime
 
no idea why i bought this, i dont really shoot 35mm anymore and its broken with the aperture not working but apparently an easy DIY fix. I just saw it in the junk box in the shop and took pity. So for a couple of quid i took it home

trip
 
steveo_mcg said:
Got the test roll from my Super Ikonta Scanned, its portrait sharp at F2.8 but more than acceptable stopped down to F5.6. I didn't shoot any thing exciting so nothing worth posting, you'll just have to take my word for it.
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Second roll developed from it. Not sure the auto counter is as accurate as zeiss would have one believe, of the 11 frames it's designed to return 3 were just missing and 2 ran into each other. I expect the 3 missing ones are are my forgetting to cock the shutter then triggering the double exposure interlock. Still annoying though.
 
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