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I mean my budget varies according to the camera because i dont want to buy a s***ty camera thwt needs immediate service when i buy it.

150£ would be a nice price.

I would rather have the lens included. The main use is going to be street photography so i will be photographing close to the subject~

I also saw the Pentax K1000.... it is cheaper and its stiill manual isnt it?
 
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If you spend £80 on an Olympus OM1/OM2 with 50mm 1.8 you've got £70 change to spend on film/developing :0)
 
£150 may be a bit low to get a decent F3 with a lens unless you want to risk an auction on ebay? Even third party lenses in Nikon's AI mount tend to not be as cheap as other mounts.

K1000 is manual exposure mode only. It is way cheaper than the F3, but it was built for a different type of user & probably to a different build standard. Never held one, but do have a couple of F3's & really like them. The F3 will offer you a lot more flexibility, but if you don't need the different finders, focusing screens or a motor drive then why spend the extra money? Will say though that I find the F3 a joy to shoot. Really like the way that it handles & the accuracy of the 80 % CW metering.
 
Nah, i rather have a nikkn or a pentax really.

I want to try manual. I want to go as hardcore i can go. Im doing that with my dslr, evrrything manula even the focus, and i am having really good results.

So i was hoping to continue mannually but in film this time

I saw also the pentax me super. They say its better than the k1000
 
Pentax MX would suit you down to the ground, you can certainly get one and a 50mm f/1.7 lens for well under £150, probably under £100. It has one of the best viewfinders in the business, decent meter, manual only. Pentax-M primes are all lovely (the zooms are a whole different kettle of something or other) and not too expensive apart from a couple (eg the 85mm f/2 will set you back £200-ish).
 
I fancied adding an ME Super to my collection but read bad things about the foam seals degrading in the finder which put me off. If I do get a Pentax, then I will probably get a P30T.

As Nikon's go maybe have a look at the FM2n? Manual exposure only & quite a nice camera. 3 LED's in the viewfinder. One for over, one for under & a red O that lights up for perfect exposure. Its really good to use in low light. They are a bit cheaper that F3's & you might be able to find one with a lens for your £150 budget.
 
Light seals can be done yourself with a kit for a tenner or so...
 
What about a Nikon FG, cracking little camera and way cheaper than an F3.
 
Well i went to ebay and started sending messages to the sellers asking stuff about the pentax k1000. One seller said that he replaced the battery and cleandd all the camera and if i buy it now he offers me an extra battery. Dunno though.... i liked very much the pentax me super....lets see

Nikons are good but for what i have been reading onljne, this is also one of the best choices I can make...
 
I use a Pentax ME Super as my main 35mm camera at the moment, not got a bad word to say about it. Lovely little camera and has stood the test of me trying to upgrade it, and returning to it, many times!
 
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Well i went to ebay and started sending messages to the sellers asking stuff about the pentax k1000. One seller said that he replaced the battery and cleandd all the camera and if i buy it now he offers me an extra battery. Dunno though.... i liked very much the pentax me super....lets see

Nikons are good but for what i have been reading onljne, this is also one of the best choices I can make...
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Although they look similar, and have the same family pedigree, the ME Super and K1000 are quite different cameras really.

K1000 is an all manual, entirely mechanical, with a needle meter in the viewfinder.

ME Super is a predominantly aperture priority camera (it does have a manual mode, but it's a little clunky to engage and use on a regular basis), reliant on batteries (this is not a real issue - they are cheap, easy to replace button batteries) and the meter reading is much more sophisticated with LEDs. The ME Super is also quite a bit lighter (about 150 grams lighter).

Whilst I am extremely fond of the K1000 because of how utilitarian and basic it is, the ME Super is probably the nicer starter camera in most hands.
 
Any of the semi pro or pro Nikon's can be used fully manual you can pick up F801 in the £35 region that will offer you more than an F3 does (unless you feel the need for interchangeable finders) F4 is under £150 these days but probably the best buys for compatibility with modern lenses are the F100 yours for £100 or the F5 if you want a tank plenty of decent ones of those starting to go for £200.

Many moons ago I had an FM2n and it was a very nice camera but the only reason I would buy one now would be for sentimental reasons you can get F100's for less money that will do everything a FM2 will plus much better metering auto focus if you want it film wind built in plus they will even talk to VR lenses.
 
For me its the FE2 that comes close to the easiest to just pick up and shoot its my fave and with a 35mm F2.5 on it a great machine.
 
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For me its the FE2 that comes close to the easiest to just pick up and shoot
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I agree. I was given one a while ago by a member of Phot Net. I just had to pay postage from the US.

It had a dent in the shutter which I straightened out and now it's fine.

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I use a Pentax ME Super as my main 35mm camera at the moment, not got a bad word to say about it
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Another good one. But for some reason, I don't get on with them. I have had a few but have given them all away. However, the Pentax MX is a beautiful piece of machinery.


Steve.
 
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abbandon said:
Any of the semi pro or pro Nikon's can be used fully manual you can pick up F801 in the £35 region that will offer you more than an F3 does (unless you feel the need for interchangeable finders) F4 is under £150 these days but probably the best buys for compatibility with modern lenses are the F100 yours for £100 or the F5 if you want a tank plenty of decent ones of those starting to go for £200.

Many moons ago I had an FM2n and it was a very nice camera but the only reason I would buy one now would be for sentimental reasons you can get F100's for less money that will do everything a FM2 will plus much better metering auto focus if you want it film wind built in plus they will even talk to VR lenses.
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Looking back on all my cameras and they all miss out on an important feature for me and that is:- adjustable viewfinder magnification to suit your eyes, if you wear glass it can be important in choosing a camera. Anyway why isn't the F90x mentioned more as it's cheap and in using mine, can't see anything wrong with it other than no adjustable viewfinder and won't take very old Nikon lenses..
 
Different things suit different people the F90X is another good camera that comes free with breakfast ceral ie about £35 if you are carefully but its not "pretty" and a classic like the FM and FE ranges so people don't want them even though they do more and cost peanuts.If you need adjustable diopter thats reaching into your wallet and coughing up for a F100 F4 or F5 you might find a F100 at a boot sale for under £30 one day but realistacally at the moment they are £100. I've tried it not especailly liked it and for Nikon on film will stick to the F5 and maybe occassionally an FE I have if I want a lighter option.

I do agree about the diopter its a major selling point of a Pentax 67II over the earlier versions.
 
As capable as the F801 is, it's a completely different sort of camera to something like an F3, FE/FE2, FM/FM2. There's a good reason why those are far stronger on the used market - because they are cameras people actually want to own, even in a digital era. Camera capability is not the be all and end all of photography :)
 
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Different things suit different people the F90X is another good camera that comes free with breakfast ceral ie about £35 if you are carefully but its not "pretty" and a classic like the FM and FE ranges so people don't want them even though they do more and cost peanuts.If you need adjustable diopter thats reaching into your wallet and coughing up for a F100 F4 or F5 you might find a F100 at a boot sale for under £30 one day but realistacally at the moment they are £100. I've tried it not especailly liked it and for Nikon on film will stick to the F5 and maybe occassionally an FE I have if I want a lighter option.

I do agree about the diopter its a major selling point of a Pentax 67II over the earlier versions.
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So what is the reason a F100 is worth £100 and a F90x or F801 are only worth £35 would it be:- The F100 is tougher, better made or whatever?
 
I don't think its about 'worth' as such, just the price people will pay for one. The F100 is definitely a better looking camera and appears to be more robust. I think its because it looks like a modern DSLR whereas all the others mentioned do look a bit old-fashioned in some respects.
 
The F100 can use VR lenses. The F90 can't. The F90 also has limitations with G lenses as no dial for changing the aperture is on the body. The F801 has the same limitations.

The F100 does a lot of what the F5 does for less money so may be why it holds its value a bit better. It has illuminated focusing points which the F5 doesn't have. The F100 AF is supposed to be nearly as fast as the F5 from what I have read. Have never tried an F100 against my F5 though.

Not sure if it is built better than the F90. Early F100's have a plastic film rewind fork that is prone to breaking.
 
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The F100 can use VR lenses. The F90 can't. The F90 also has limitations with G lenses as no dial for changing the aperture is on the body. The F801 has the same limitations.

The F100 does a lot of what the F5 does for less money so may be why it holds its value a bit better. It has illuminated focusing points which the F5 doesn't have. The F100 AF is supposed to be nearly as fast as the F5 from what I have read. Have never tried an F100 against my F5 though.

Not sure if it is built better than the F90. Early F100's have a plastic film rewind fork that is prone to breaking.
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This is true but generally the ones that broke have been repaired now. I've said this before, the F100 is the one I want putting in the coffin with me, it just does everything well.
 
Sorry but the F100 is the Fugliest and it would not even stand a chance of getting on my shelf :)

and what is auto focus?
 
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Danones said:
Guys you are incredible! Everybody debating whats the best camera xD
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LOL knowledge is power and handy for deciding what to buy., otherwise just tell everyone to buy a Zenit or MTL3, after all they can take pictures and are dirt cheap and saves a few £££s from buying a Nikon or similar. ;) h'mm a MYL3 for £12 or say a Minolta X-700 for £25..I'd know what I'd choose.
 
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Guys you are incredible! Everybody debating whats the best camera xD

I bought the pentax me super for 55£. Now i just need to buy a strap and thats me starting film
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A wonderful choice. In addition to the 50mm, a lot of people like also having a wide angle - you can usually pick up a Pentax-M 28mm for under £50, and it's a nice compact lens.

We look forward to seeing your results in the Film Shots thread!
 
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Guys you are incredible! Everybody debating whats the best camera xD

I bought the pentax me super for 55£. Now i just need to buy a strap and thats me starting film
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Good choice. I love my ME Super - easy to use, light, compact, *excellent* viewfinder.
 
freecom2 said:
A wonderful choice. In addition to the 50mm, a lot of people like also having a wide angle - you can usually pick up a Pentax-M 28mm for under £50, and it's a nice compact lens.

We look forward to seeing your results in the Film Shots thread!
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Thank you guys!

Nice advices as always thats why I like this community. Everybody is trying to help everybody.

I will receive the camera on thursday hopefully

Where is that post? Foe the film? I still need to see how am I going to pass the photos to the pc
 
Danones said:
Thank you guys!

Nice advices as always thats why I like this community. Everybody is trying to help everybody.

I will receive the camera on thursday hopefully

Where is that post? Foe the film? I still need to see how am I going to pass the photos to the pc
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For a starter, just take your film to a Asda superstore and get your shots put onto a cd..total cost for dev and CD is £3 and they also give you a handy index of thumbnails so you can see what your results are like.
Forgot to mention- Asda will do your film in about 40mins while you shop..not sure if this applies for weekends or late nights etc.
 
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Diogo, not all ASDAs, you should check, and not all film. Specifically, not black and white(*) or slide film, only colour negative, ie C41. But it's a good service if available, at least for starters. The good news is you can usually get some rolls of Agfa Vista 200, a re-branded Fuji film, in Poundland (guess the price). Look for them near the blank CDs etc in red boxes.

There's a "Resources" sticky at the top of F&C that links to a thread about film processing in the UK.
 
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For a starter, just take your film to a Asda superstore and get your shots put onto a cd..total cost for dev and CD is £3 and they also give you a handy index of thumbnails so you can see what your results are like.
Forgot to mention- Asda will do your film in about 40mins while you shop..not sure if this applies for weekends or late nights etc.
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I will check on ASDA here in southampton. I want to shoot in Black and White but Since its my first attempts I will probably get a cheaper film and see how the results come back.

I was told that boots also does the processing of 35 mm film.

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Diogo, not all ASDAs, you should check, and not all film. Specifically, not black and white(*) or slide film, only colour negative, ie C41. But it's a good service if available, at least for starters. The good news is you can usually get some rolls of Agfa Vista 200, a re-branded Fuji film, in Poundland (guess the price). Look for them near the blank CDs etc in red boxes.

There's a "Resources" sticky at the top of F&C that links to a thread about film processing in the UK.
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Nice! Let me have a look on it. I wiill go to Poundland tomorrow and i will see what's there.

Just need to buy a strap as well for my film camera that will arrive tomorrow.
 
Well Asda will do C41 b\w but not sure if they put it on a CD etc...anyway again for starters, buy the £1 Vista get it done in Asda then one click in Photoshop and your colour neg will be converted to B\W......and the results are quite good.
 
But if you have no desire to start playing with photoshop, think about trying a roll of Ilford XP2. Black & white film that is processed as C41 so Asda should be happy to do it for you. I quite like the stuff.
 
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Well Asda will do C41 b\w but not sure if they put it on a CD etc...anyway again for starters, buy the £1 Vista get it done in Asda then one click in Photoshop and your colour neg will be converted to B\W......and the results are quite good.
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What's that 1£ visa all about? Is it worth it?

Im confused now how to do. If I should try a different film so it can be developed cheaper or buy a good BW film and spend more money
 
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Buy your first roll of cheap film, shoot it using as many options on your camera that you have, test all the shutter speeds, all the modes (if it has any) all the apertures on the lens, then get it processed by Asda just to make sure your camera works ok and is not a duffer. Then move on to some nice film.
 
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Danones said:
What's that 1£ visa all about? Is it worth it?
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It's just a 135 format film by Fuji, repackaged as Agfa Vista 200, that costs £1. Yes, it is worth it.

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Im confused now how to do. If I should try a different film so it can be developed cheaper or buy a good BW film and spend more money
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While you're starting out, I'd go for Vista 200 from Poundland or, if you really want to shoot black and white, Ilford XP2 Super, which is a monochrome film (i.e., black and white) that can be developed in colour chemicals, so it can be developed at most any lab for very cheap (e.g., ASDA).
 
Danones said:
What's that 1£ visa all about? Is it worth it?

Im confused now how to do. If I should try a different film so it can be developed cheaper or buy a good BW film and spend more money
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The film at Poundland is Agfa Vista.....sorry I abbreviated it to Vista, also to help you out colour negs and certain types of B\W have to be developed in C41 chemicals, slide film has different chemicals as well...ordinary (traditional) B\W also has different chemicals and using these it's very easy for DIY.
 
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Danones said:
What's that 1£ visa all about? Is it worth it?

Im confused now how to do. If I should try a different film so it can be developed cheaper or buy a good BW film and spend more money
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The film you can get from most Poundland branches is 24-shot Agfa Vista 200. It's perfectly OK for most purposes, and does convert to black and white in post processing very well, if that's what you want. Boots do a range of films on a buy-one-get-one-half-price deal. Get the 36 shot versions which are a pound or so dearer; you'll save in the end on processing costs. They sell XP2, special black and white film that's processed as C41 colour, ASDA are happy to process and scan this. Boots also have some Kodak and some Fuji colour films as well; they are OK but nothing special. And they usually do Ilford HP5, which is a "proper" black and white film that requires different processing; oddly, it's the easier to do at home once you've got the kit. I'm personally not a fan of HP5, perhaps its a bit grainy but there's nothing wrong with it.

Some Boots branches will process in store, but most these days will send away. Snappy Snaps and Max Spielmann in most town centres will process and scan (they call it "CD") C41 films in an hour or two for a fiver-ish.

As Nick says, once you're confident in your camera, you can start moving on to a very good but much more expensive film, like Portra.

Look in the Resources sticky; as well as the one on film processing, there's a thread with advice on your first film camera.

Good luck, and of course we want to see pics (not in this thread perhaps, but in Show Us Yer Film Shots, or posted in the Photos on Film section).
 
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