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I must confess I have always been a bit wasteful with stop and fix extending the one-shot developer use to both but am currently working my way through fifteen rolls if FP4 in batches of three - will Ilford stop and fixer be good for five consecutive uses this evening?

Currently used for three and about to start fourth so don't be shy about responding if it's running out of mojo!

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Mark
 
It should be, but I'd extend the fix time by about 10% for each roll after number 3. The stop should be fine until it turns blue.
 
I've been using the same 1 litre batch of fixer for nearly a year now and it's just starting to reach the end of it's life, it will have done well over 20 rolls of 120.
 
I've been using the same 1 litre batch of fixer for nearly a year now and it's just starting to reach the end of it's life, it will have done well over 20 rolls of 120.

Twenty rolls in a year? These fifteen rolls are from last weekend...............!
 
Yeah...

The last roll I developed had photos from 4 different film meets dating back to September on a 10 shot roll.
 
Check the fixer by putting a piece of exposed film (the end of the exposed film you cut off to load the roll?) into the fix and time how long it takes for the film to go clear.

This time should be doubled to ensure proper fixing. As the fixer becomes exhausted this time will increase, when it gets too long it's time to change the fix.

Does it not mention this in the fixer instructions.

HTH

David
 
i use fixer if the clearing time is up to a minute ( ish ),any longer and i make some more
 
Personally, I have used lots of Ilfostop and Rapid Fixer over the past few years (addicted to processing film since hopping from digital). I carefully bottle them between uses, squeezing out excess air. I also rinse quickly with water between stop and fix (I may be in for citicism for that). I use them 5 - 7 films, gradually exending fix time from three and a half minutes up to six minutes. I've never seen any bad fix issues.
 
Check the fixer by putting a piece of exposed film (the end of the exposed film you cut off to load the roll?) into the fix and time how long it takes for the film to go clear.
This time should be doubled to ensure proper fixing. As the fixer becomes exhausted this time will increase, when it gets too long it's time to change the fix.
Does it not mention this in the fixer instructions.
HTH
David
i use fixer if the clearing time is up to a minute ( ish ),any longer and i make some more

Not a criticism... but it's not essential. I don't use stop with film, just water.
Steve.

All these answers are correct.. a stop bath serves two purposes First it stops further development almost instantly, which is useful with short development times. secondly it neutralises the alkali in the developer so fixer remains acidic, and works for longer.

Fixer can contain sodium thiosulphate (hypo) or ammonium thiosulphate (quick fix) or indeed a mixture of both. It also contains an acidic stabiliser such as sodium metabisulphite. (weakly acidic)

The two main types of fixer have very different clearing times, but double that time in each case will ensure a complete removal of the remaining silver halide.

If films do not clear completely in a reasonable time, it is time to replace the fixer. (Often also indicated by a sulphurous smell.)

As vital as any other part of the process is thorough washing, as residual chemicals can seriously reduce the archival quality of the film.

Over fixing in ammonium thiosulphate by extending the time, can start to bleach the black silver in the film and is not advisable.
The proportion of Water in fixer plays a vital role and using it too strong can reduce the effectiveness of Hypo. don't be tempted to add more for luck, it will just waste money.
 
Thanks for all the replies, I reused the stop (Ilfostop) and fixer (Ilford Hypam) for all five batches and it was fine. I just added a minute for the last two batches. According to the fact sheets Hypam is ammonium rather than sodium thiosulphate so I will avoid over fixing - thanks Terry.

I really should buy some of those collapsible storage bottles but do they leak after a while? I seem to recall hearing that they don’t last too long.

Mark
 
air getting to stop and fixer isnt as much of a problem as it is getting to the developer ,,i would imagine the " collapsible " storage bottles ( the concertina ones ?? ) is more to do with extra surface area of the bottle , and easier to control the temperature . i make up developer in a plastic milk bottle and if im going to use it again within a short space of time ,i just crush the bottle and do the lid up tight .
 
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