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I'm thinking aloud here, but assuming it's for a DVD of images could you burn them as a DVD movie/slideshow. It would then need to be ripped rather than just copying the files off a data DVD. Obviously lots of people can rip DVDs but it's more hassle and you'd stop a few people doing it.
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It would be a dvd of pics yes.. but customer would want dvd of pics.. its not a demo of the work or anyhting.. I know theres a million ways to distribute.. but customer is such that if they tried to copy and failed they would prob give up and order another dvd as only a tenner each..
i am a bit behind with techno stuff.. didnt used to be.. when i wrote my own software i used to damage a sector on the floppy disk so if trying to copy then most copiers would stop/fail.. but also a routine in the software to check for a bad sector.. if copied and sector fixed as seom would (its either fail or auto fix and copy) ..then software fails as couldnt find bad sector.. brilliant
cant do that on a DVD but thought some bright spark would ahve thought of summat by now..onomatopoeia
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'damage' is an interesting word in this context, unless you mean physically damage by sticking a pin through it or similar. In software you could send the wrong sector size when doing the format (DOS used a value of 2, meaning 512 bytes, but the nec pd765 controller used in PCs and compatibles allowed sizes from 1 to 6, which equals 256 to 8192 bytes) which would make a subsequent normal read fail, or change the data rate while the format operation was happening which would make part of the track unreadable, or even simply put an entry in the file allocation table saying the sector was damaged (that's the easiest to do).
None of this would stop an image being copied from the floppy, as provided the operating system could read the part of the disk the image file was on it could copy it somewhere else without caring if the damaged sector was present or not. It only worked if there was software on the disk that checked the sector before it would allow anything to happen.
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I don't have a solution for you with image files. To achieve it would need the images to be in proprietary format of your devising with your own bespoke viewer that understood that format, then the viewer could include code could check for a valid 'licence key' (nowadays either in the form of a USB device or by verifying certain information about the computer in use, which means the viewer software has to be installed to the computer in question and only used from there). All in all a lot of work, which is why we only deal with people writing their own programs rather than people producing audio / video / still images.
i am a bit behind with techno stuff.. didnt used to be.. when i wrote my own software i used to damage a sector on the floppy disk so if trying to copy then most copiers would stop/fail.. but also a routine in the software to check for a bad sector.. if copied and sector fixed as seom would (its either fail or auto fix and copy) ..then software fails as couldnt find bad sector.. brilliant
'damage' is an interesting word in this context, unless you mean physically damage by sticking a pin through it or similar. In software you could send the wrong sector size when doing the format (DOS used a value of 2, meaning 512 bytes, but the nec pd765 controller used in PCs and compatibles allowed sizes from 1 to 6, which equals 256 to 8192 bytes) which would make a subsequent normal read fail, or change the data rate while the format operation was happening which would make part of the track unreadable, or even simply put an entry in the file allocation table saying the sector was damaged (that's the easiest to do).
None of this would stop an image being copied from the floppy, as provided the operating system could read the part of the disk the image file was on it could copy it somewhere else without caring if the damaged sector was present or not. It only worked if there was software on the disk that checked the sector before it would allow anything to happen.
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I don't have a solution for you with image files. To achieve it would need the images to be in proprietary format of your devising with your own bespoke viewer that understood that format, then the viewer could include code could check for a valid 'licence key' (nowadays either in the form of a USB device or by verifying certain information about the computer in use, which means the viewer software has to be installed to the computer in question and only used from there). All in all a lot of work, which is why we only deal with people writing their own programs rather than people producing audio / video / still images.
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EDIT - WARNING, NERD CONTENT!
'damage' is an interesting word in this context, unless you mean physically damage by sticking a pin through it or similar. In software you could send the wrong sector size when doing the format (DOS used a value of 2, meaning 512 bytes, but the nec pd765 controller used in PCs and compatibles allowed sizes from 1 to 6, which equals 256 to 8192 bytes) which would make a subsequent normal read fail, or change the data rate while the format operation was happening which would make part of the track unreadable, or even simply put an entry in the file allocation table saying the sector was damaged (that's the easiest to do).
None of this would stop an image being copied from the floppy, as provided the operating system could read the part of the disk the image file was on it could copy it somewhere else without caring if the damaged sector was present or not. It only worked if there was software on the disk that checked the sector before it would allow anything to happen.
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Damage meaning make a bad sector. you can choose the exact sector you want to "damage" ? make bad? . that would stop a floppy disk copier in its tracks.. a simple one would say cant copy.. a good one would repair and copy..
if repair and copy then the software your selling.. checks the sectors on the floppy and if it cant find a bad sector at the address it knows should be one then it doesnt run..
its not a great way.. its not for bulk disks and this was too many yrs ago to count on an atari computer using 720k floppy disks
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What you could do perhaps would be to have something in the autorun that just said the DVD shouldn't be copied and it would send a notification to the copyright holder if it were attempted. I'd bet that would put off the casual copier.
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its not a great way.. its not for bulk disks and this was too many yrs ago to count on an atari computer using 720k floppy disks
Used to do similar on the Atari 400 with it's seriously expensive 5 1/4" drive
Originally I used to squeeze the disk while writing to a single sector (slow speed would cause bad write); then progressed a modified chip in the disk drive and some software that would let me write a bad sector of various kinds.
Again, I have no solution to your problem though!
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Regarding copy protection, how have microsoft managed to stop pirating so successfully?
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OK i'll rephrase, how have microsoft prevented the use of copied dvd's on xbox 360's that connect to xbox live.
And don't you think they've been successful in battling piracy?
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The Xbox is capable of reading part of the DVD which computer drives can't read and write back in the same way. So you can't copy the DVD and make it look like an original.
This can be bypassed with a mod but it can be detected if you go online. I think there were mode you could switch on and off but if you forgot once your account could be banned. There will be people with a modified Xbox used for playing pirate games but they at have an unmodified second console for online playing.
This can be bypassed with a mod but it can be detected if you go online. I think there were mode you could switch on and off but if you forgot once your account could be banned. There will be people with a modified Xbox used for playing pirate games but they at have an unmodified second console for online playing.
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right you mean console games rather than software..
id put that down to you having to chip the box to make it read copied disks. not something that everyone is willing to do. handy when you can control the disk format used, but not ideal for a computer.
I don't know about the XBox so can't comment there.
As regards battling piracy here they have attempted to do it in a couple of ways: offering MSOffice at a reasonable price for home use and putting Win7 on most PCs at point of manufacture.
However, if you ever travel around Asia or Latin America, you will see that they have lost the battle - pirated, pre-activated copies of their software is everywhere.
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I thought it maybe something like this, but surprised that the countries known for piracy haven't cracked this and distributed large quantities of pirated xbox games that can work on an unchipped xbox. North Korea, i'm thinking of you...
2 interesting srticles on north koreas dollar forgeries:-
Vanityfair North Koreas Dollar Store
NYTimes No Ordinary Counterfeit
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Rapscallion said:
The only way to create an authentic looking Xbox disc would be to use commercial manufacturing. This means creating a disc using special equipment to give you what they call a glass master. The copy protection is added and then they use it to create the discs. Writable discs are covered in pits and then a dye over the top and a laser turns the dye transparent where you want it. A commercial disc is pressed with just the pits you want which if you have full control of the device reading it as in the Xbox could have pits of different sizes etc... Which is why you will never be able to create an original looking disk on a regular writer.
The mastering process is expensive and I would expect the copy protection to include a digital fingerprint so it has to be different for each disc and you can't copy the protection from one title to another and expect it to work. The pirates would have to recreate a master for every DVD they wished to copy. Too expensive to be worthwhile unless the volumes were high and then they could be easily discovered as there are not many people buying DVD mastering equipment.