No more tax discs

BillN_33 said:
normally even a small Bike will pull away from the traffic lights faster than most cars can ........ and they usually do
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Not when they are stopped in a tight position between other cars or between a car and a traffic island and they have to be cautious about how they pull away.
 
Byker28i said:
What do you drive?
Ok so my zzr does 0-60 in 2.5 secs, the 600's in about 4 so unless you're talking scooters, the worse case bike will be doing 0-60 in 6 secs, which is pretty fast for a car in a traffic light Grand Prix. I don't call that holding up a car, especially as no driver/rider ever really gives it beans and on average acceleration the bike goes away quicker everytime. No holdup for the driver.

Unless you know different, drive something exotic and have a very heavy foot/poor mpg.
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Triumph Daytona 600
2004
110 bhp (plus whatever my micron end can and triumph tune for race can adds}
165kg
0 to 60 in 3,8 seconds -for standard bike

I don't filter if there's no room or its too tight. I wouldn'twant to scratch any cars or damage my bike. That's just irresponsible.


Sorted for you Mike :)
 
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nilagin said:
As I wrote before, no one mentioned a traffic light grand prix. I drive a Focus ST, but that doesn't matter, what matters is me sitting at the front waiting at traffic lights. Biker/scooterist, whatever, overtakes the queue and not wanting to cross the stop line, now stops, squeezing in next to my front wing. Because of their proximity I can't pull away until they have decided to move away, hence they are holding me up. it's not that hard to grasp.
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OK now you claified I could see in that situation you may be inconvenienced for what, half a second?

However you did say: They do hold up cars. Every biker will pull up to the front of the queue in front of the cars, when I have been at the head of the queue and this happens, I have to wait for the bike to move before I can,

Not alongside as you've later clarified.

I can certainly see the annoyance, especially in a large city with scooters or cyclists, however having driven in Rome and Paris, even London doesn't seem to be too bad for powered two wheelers. London on the other hand for cyclists is awful.
 
Raptor Mike said:
No mots for bikes?? That's bad. I used to work in a bike shop and have seen some death traps picked up in the mot. Mot's should be for everything every year for everyone's safety i think. As it is here now.
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We don't need MOTs for pre 1960 vehicles here. I think that is a mistake.


Steve.
 
They're also making car tax non-transferable between owners, which will make it rather inconvenient when trying to sell your car, I'd imagine.
 
Chudster said:
They're also making car tax non-transferable between owners, which will make it rather inconvenient when trying to sell your car, I'd imagine.
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Which is discussed a few pages up (y)
 
As is usual simplification means more money, double bubble on a months tax when the car is sold

What they should do is instigate a system where insurance is removed from the vehicle to the owner not road tax

Owners of more than one vehicle have to pay premiums as if they can drive all of them at once, insurance that covers the driver not the car would stop the insurance companies getting multiple premiums for one driver

But then that's less tax and profit! it's all calculated

As for putting the duty on the price of fuel, that's fine if you're all happy to pay more for your goods, every high mileage vehicle which is most commercial vehicles would pass the cost on which eventually would mean higher prices in the shops.

However you look at it you'll never save any money, it'll just be added on somewhere else plus 20% because it'll have vat on it by then
 
wack61 said:
As is usual simplification means more money, double bubble on a months tax when the car is sold

What they should do is instigate a system where insurance is removed from the vehicle to the owner not road tax

Owners of more than one vehicle have to pay premiums as if they can drive all of them at once, insurance that covers the driver not the car would stop the insurance companies getting multiple premiums for one driver

But then that's less tax and profit! it's all calculated

As for putting the duty on the price of fuel, that's fine if you're all happy to pay more for your goods, every high mileage vehicle which is most commercial vehicles would pass the cost on which eventually would mean higher prices in the shops.

However you look at it you'll never save any money, it'll just be added on somewhere else plus 20% because it'll have vat on it by then
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Very good points
 
boyfalldown said:
I thought even with the paper disks you still get fined if you don't renew or SORN. The cameras have been round to pick you up for a good few years too.I'm not sure this makes a massive difference
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if a vehicle is not taxed or declared SOIRN after a month the DVLA will automatcally issue a £40 fine to the registered owner which doubles to £80 if not paid promptly

In Hampshre police have powers to impound an untaxed vehicle on the public highway
 
wack61 said:
As is usual simplification means more money, double bubble on a months tax when the car is sold

What they should do is instigate a system where insurance is removed from the vehicle to the owner not road tax

Owners of more than one vehicle have to pay premiums as if they can drive all of them at once, insurance that covers the driver not the car would stop the insurance companies getting multiple premiums for one driver
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That only presumes you sell your car at the beginning of the month. The best time to buy a car from a dealer is the end of the month as they want to make their targets and get their bonus, so willing to do a better deal.

If the insurance is transferred to the driver and no longer for the vehicle, if your unused car is left uninsured whilst your not using it. If you don't wish to buy more than one insurance premium, it's simple, don't buy more than one car. ;)
 
nilagin said:
If the insurance is transferred to the driver and no longer for the vehicle, if your unused car is left uninsured whilst your not using it. If you don't wish to buy more than one insurance premium, it's simple, don't buy more than one car. ;)
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In the same way with the driving other cars on your own policy, as soon as you park up and leave the car it is no longer covered,
so if someone steals it you get nothing
 
Gremlin said:

In the same way with the driving other cars on your own policy, as soon as you park up and leave the car it is no longer covered,
so if someone steals it you get nothing
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Not all insurers now give the cover needed to drive a car other than the one that is the subject of the policy.
 
Gremlin said:

In the same way with the driving other cars on your own policy, as soon as you park up and leave the car it is no longer covered,
so if someone steals it you get nothing
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But in that case the actual owner of the car would claim for the theft surely?
 
DorsetDude said:
But in that case the actual owner of the car would claim for the theft surely?
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Not if the owner has a second car and was using that at the time. Being able to drive someone else's car with 3rd party cover under your own insurance, relies on the fact that the car being driven is insured anyway. If the owner is using their other car then this car isn't insured so no one else can legally drive it.
 
nilagin said:
Not if the owner has a second car and was using that at the time. Being able to drive someone else's car with 3rd party cover under your own insurance, relies on the fact that the car being driven is insured anyway. If the owner is using their other car then this car isn't insured so no one else can legally drive it.
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But shirley, no one can steal your car whilst your driving it, so theft cover is for when you're not with the car? Most odd. (and typical)
 
Chudster said:
They're also making car tax non-transferable between owners, which will make it rather inconvenient when trying to sell your car, I'd imagine.
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It would me no more inconvenient than the next person selling a car. Sure it was a bit of a selling point when you could sell a car with 6 months tax, but everybody will be in the same boat now.

I can certainly see it being a pain in the arse as a buyer, having to arrange tax before you can drive it away.
 
ecoleman said:
It would me no more inconvenient than the next person selling a car. Sure it was a bit of a selling point when you could sell a car with 6 months tax, but everybody will be in the same boat now.

I can certainly see it being a pain in the arse as a buyer, having to arrange tax before you can drive it away.
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The existing tax will cover that.
 
how will it if the tax is tied to the owner, the second you sign the box on the V5C technically he's no longer the owner, plus if he cancelled the tax online 5 minutes later it's untaxed, call me a cynic but I can see this all being planned to happen in real time via ANPR
 
I'm fairly sure it says on the dvla website you can phone up and get instant tax. No different to getting insurance cover transferred to another car.
 
I stand corrected in that you'll have to tax it to drive it home...apologies.
But the telephone service is available 24 / 7, so whilst there'll be alot of wailing and gnashing of teeth for a bit, everyone'll get used to it.
 
DorsetDude said:
But in that case the actual owner of the car would claim for the theft surely?
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No because you are responsible for the car, not the owner, although technically I would say you are right, the insurance companies
would probably argue
 
insuring the person used to work for bikes a good few years ago

you would insure yourself on any bike up to a particular CC which would cover any bike you owned or ride to the CC limit
if you owned the bike the registration document would be in your name along with the insurance policy which automatically covered the bike for theft etc..

iv'e no idea when the bike insurance companies changed the the policies to insuring the bike rather than the keeper ( not ridden since the 80's )
 
I don't see it as a big problem to be honest. It removes the uncertainty.
For example I recently bought a second hand car. The car had been on personalised plates, and had reverted to it's proper plate. The VEL on the car is the one issued for the personalised plate, and no matter what I can't trace the new disc that was issued. DVLA tell me it hasn't been submitted for a refund, and while I am legal with the disc I have, at any point I could find that the 'real' disc has been refunded and I am driving with no tax.
The first I would know would be a letter from them fining me, or a chat with a dark coloured rodent.
Under the new system there is no doubt, quick call job done. I believe that DVLA are looking at not charging you a whole month's tax if you sell it on the 2nd of that month, but I don't know what the outcome of that is.
 
Bernie174 said:
I believe that DVLA are looking at not charging you a whole month's tax if you sell it on the 2nd of that month, but I don't know what the outcome of that is.
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I'll answer that on their behalf , we have evaluated the idea but after careful consideration have decided not to so we can spend the money on iPads and jollies
 
nilagin said:
I'm fairly sure it says on the dvla website you can phone up and get instant tax. No different to getting insurance cover transferred to another car.
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The DVLA advised me that if you buy online, you are not covered until the disc is displayed on the vehicle. For instatnt cover buy at the Post Office

This new legislation will bring the road fund licence in line with the MOT. The big issue with MOT's was that under the paper system theft of certificated and the garage stamp were rife with false vehicle details entered on stolen certificates. With the MOT, the important issue is that the reults of all tests are recorded on an online database. Anyone can go to the DVLA website, enter any registration number re insurance (does this inclkude MOT as well?) and the site will confirm whether the vehicle is insured or not

The new legislation will bring the road fund licence in line with insurance & MOT's in that an online database can be checked, making it easier to identify untaxed (as well as uninsured & non MOT'd) vehicles - and there's more around than you'd thibk
 
kennethwfd said:
The DVLA advised me that if you buy online, you are not covered until the disc is displayed on the vehicle. For instatnt cover buy at the Post Office
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Have they changed that now too?
I'm sure that it say's (Said anyway) on the DVLA site, that you had 7 days to display the disc.
(to allow for royal mail to deliver)

As the idea is to have everything recorded electronically, surely it defeats the object?
But of course the little sceptical man in side me say's that it only works one way ;)
 
I've been thinking about this and I honestly can't see the point of not displaying discs. You can only get caught if you're picked up by those devices in police cars or, I assume, if police or traffic wardens put your number through a search.

If your car runs out of tax and it's parked in a cul-de-sac somewhere there's next to no chance of you getting caught, whereas previously you had to worry about do-gooder neighbours. It may be cheaper not to print these third of an A4 pieces of paper and send them out but they will loose money because they wont catch so many people.
 
Raptor Mike said:
I've been thinking about this and I honestly can't see the point of not displaying discs. You can only get caught if you're picked up by those devices in police cars or, I assume, if police or traffic wardens put your number through a search.

If your car runs out of tax and it's parked in a cul-de-sac somewhere there's next to no chance of you getting caught, whereas previously you had to worry about do-gooder neighbours. It may be cheaper not to print these third of an A4 pieces of paper and send them out but they will loose money because they wont catch so many people.
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You will get caught because it either has to be taxed or SORNed and if you don't do either they will just fine you!
 
I may have missed something, but are they still going to send out reminders? If not is it going to be like MOT where you have to remember? They know, but expect you to remember and if you don't then they fine you!

Will we be given notice to renew or do we have to start writing everything down on a calendar?
 
mickledore said:
I may have missed something, but are they still going to send out reminders? If not is it going to be like MOT where you have to remember? They know, but expect you to remember and if you don't then they fine you!

Will we be given notice to renew or do we have to start writing everything down on a calendar?
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I wondered that too
I assume that they will carry on with reminders
 
fabs said:
I'd imagine that they'll try to encourage everyone down the DD route.
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That was certainly my concern / thoughts too, going back a couple of pages.
It seemed from their web site that DD was the only way to go.
But obviously with further investigation it seems not ;)
 
Being a belt and braces man I have asked Honest John from Saturday's Telegraph, and this is his reply.....

You will get the usual reminder, though it would, of course, be prudent to write it in your diary. I've just run a news item about the change and can't find anywhere how a buyer of a car who has sent the V5C to the DVLA can tax it online without the V5C. Only the person whose name is on the V5C is allowed to tax it.

Honest John
ASK Honest John advisor
 
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