No more tax discs

nilagin said:
They do hold up cars. Every biker will pull up to the front of the queue in front of the cars, when I have been at the head of the queue and this happens, I have to wait for the bike to move before I can, either that or I knock the biker off their bike. I only use my handbrake when parked, rest of the time I'm good to go.
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laughable :D
 
viv1969 said:
Of Jealously? :LOL:
Oh please....do explain.
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Since I posted about tax on bikes you have been moaning about them whether that be things bikers want or have. I don't understand why though. I wasn't complaining that some cars pay no tax, it was about that bikes do yet some cars don't and then I gave my reasons. You don't agree with it, fine. But why bring up about tolls helmets etc. So I started sticking up for something I have done since 16. You clearly have a problem with bikers for some reason and as you mention the list jealousy springs to mind. Like I said try it, you might like it , but until then dont knock it or us :)
 
Raptor Mike said:
Since I posted about tax on bikes you have been moaning about them whether that be things bikers want or have. I don't understand why though. I wasn't complaining that some cars pay no tax, it was about that bikes do yet some cars don't and then I gave my reasons. You don't agree with it, fine. But why bring up about tolls helmets etc. So I started sticking up for something I have done since 16. You clearly have a problem with bikers for some reason and as you mention the list jealousy springs to mind. Like I said try it, you might like it , but until then dont knock it or us :)
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She just likes arguing Mike. She's female.

:exit:
 
I don't mind taking my helmet off in petrol stations, especially if there's somewhere to put it, because it's an expensive, essential piece of safety equipment.
There's not much room though with the scratch cards, chewing gun, special offer torch or toolkit etc. Being told to leave it on the bike, or on top of the pump isn't really acceptable.

I mean - you wouldn't leave a £400 handbag on display or on a diesel covered pump?

It's why I use my local supermarket with pay at pump.

Evaluate the issue, make a sensible decision, not a problem.
 
Raptor Mike said:
Since I posted about tax on bikes you have been moaning about them whether that be things bikers want or have. I don't understand why though. I wasn't complaining that some cars pay no tax, it was about that bikes do yet some cars don't and then I gave my reasons. You don't agree with it, fine. But why bring up about tolls helmets etc. So I started sticking up for something I have done since 16. You clearly have a problem with bikers for some reason and as you mention the list jealousy springs to mind. Like I said try it, you might like it , but until then dont knock it or us :)
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Sigh…..Oh do pick up your dummy.

I responded to the post which said that Motorcycles shouldn’t have to pay road tax, that’s all.

There’s a faction of bikers who seem to think that many things should be different for them and I was merely pointing out things that already are. But you, like many, leap in with a certain sense of entitlement.

I’m not anti-motorcycle and I’m married to a biker….there’s a Triumph Sprint 955i out in the garage.
 
This system will still rely on car number plates being recorded and checked to see if they are in the computer and shown to be taxed. I wonder how this is going to be done, more number plate recognition camera, more work for the police?

Dave
 
Tringa said:
This system will still rely on car number plates being recorded and checked to see if they are in the computer and shown to be taxed. I wonder how this is going to be done, more number plate recognition camera, more work for the police?

Dave
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neil_g said:
from what i understand it doesnt rely on getting caught.

from what ive read if its not SORN'd then you have to be in the computer as taxed otherwise its a fine.
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neil_g said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes

From 1 October 2014 (5 October if setting up at a Post Office®), Direct Debit will be offered as an additional way to pay for vehicle tax. This will be available for customers who need to tax their vehicle from 1 November 2014
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Thanks for the linky :)

From 1 October 2014 (5 October if setting up at a Post Office®), Direct Debit will be offered as an additional way to pay for vehicle tax. This will be available for customers who need to tax their vehicle from 1 November 2014:
annually
6 monthly
monthly (12 months tax paid for on a monthly basis)
Provided an MOT remains valid, the payments will continue automatically until you tell DVLA to stop taking them or you cancel the Direct Debit with your bank. Valid insurance should also be in place for vehicles registered in Northern Ireland.
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The rest of the UK don't need insurance then? cool :D
 
bindex said:
10 out of 10 for trying! You'll never get away with it though :)
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It was printed on a government Dept web site, so it must be true :D
 
Cobra said:
The rest of the UK don't need insurance then? cool :D
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You no longer need insurance to purchase road tax. You still need insurance to use (including park) the vehicle on the public road.
 
onomatopoeia said:
You no longer need insurance to purchase road tax. You still need insurance to use (including park) the vehicle on the public road.
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They do like to make things complicated under the guise of ease :D
 
bindex said:
I stopped believing what any government told me years ago :D
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Seriously? wow !
(you me and probably half the population as well :D)
 
Raptor Mike said:
Think of all the money government will make as well. You buy a car that's taxed until the end of December at the beginning of October. The seller gets November and December refunded and the seller has to start from the 1 St of October so October has been paid twice. Robbing bar stewards(n)
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How is this any different to how it currently is? With a paper disc you can only get refunds on whole months. Even if the seller gives you the tax disc they are presumably buying tax for the new vehicle so therefore doubling up too.
 
Fubbytucker said:
How is this any different to how it currently is? With a paper disc you can only get refunds on whole months. Even if the seller gives you the tax disc they are presumably buying tax for the new vehicle so therefore doubling up too.
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Unless their "new" car would also come with tax on it, or not require tax.....etc....
 
Fubbytucker said:
How is this any different to how it currently is? With a paper disc you can only get refunds on whole months. Even if the seller gives you the tax disc they are presumably buying tax for the new vehicle so therefore doubling up too.
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Because you only get full months. In my example the government would get tax twice for the one car during the month of October. This would be the same for all used cars all the way from when the car is first sold second hand. If the car is £120 a year to tax they would get an extra £10 for the year when the car is sold. If it has 5 owners during its life that's an extra £40 government are getting that they aren't at the moment, because who gets their tax refunded before selling a car. Doesn't sound like much, but times it by the amount of cars on the roads. Stealth tax I say.

Edit: Just re read your post but only the brand new car would need tax, normally especially now used traders can't return the tax. So in a chain thatsvan extra tenner old rules but forty or fithty in the new ones. Think of it like a chain.
 
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DorsetDude said:
Much as it pains me to say it, would be so much easier if they just put 3p (or whatever) on a litre and did away with it altogether. No evading posible then, no awkward administration. And the tax is proportional to the fuel you use, a bit like the current banded based on CO emissions tax system.
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If it has no been mentioned that's the system in France, no annual road tax, it was abolished a few years ago …………. even so Diesel in France is much cheaper that the UK and petrol is still below the UK price.

An MOT every 2 years, starting at year 4 and no MOT's for Bikes , but every Car or Bike that is registered has to be insured, is the law, no SORN out here ……… so if you own it and it's registered TPFF has to be in place.
 
No mots for bikes?? That's bad. I used to work in a bike shop and have seen some death traps picked up in the mot. Mot's should be for everything every year for everyone's safety i think. As it is here now.
 
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Raptor Mike said:
No mots for bikes?? That's bad. I used to work in a bike shop and have seen some death traps picked up in the mot. Mot's should be for everything every year for everyone's safety i think. As it is here now.
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I'd agree - but the cheapest TPFF insurance I can get for my BMW R80 is about Euros 100 ………..I used to insure 4 Bikes in the UK, R1150GSA down to a R90S, for under £200
 
BillN_33 said:
If it has no been mentioned that's the system in France, .....
An MOT every 2 years, starting at year 4 ... .
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I was talking to the guy that MOT'd my car recently, and he was saying the same thing is a real possibility here in the near future.

One of the thoughts that immediately sprung to mind,
many people only service or repair their vehicle for the MOT,
repairing MOT failures, that is.
So many "repairs" may well go un-checked for 2 years instead of one.
This could obviously be a "safety" problem in its self.

At the end of two years, instead of repairing what may have been a minor fault,
the year before,
could have now turned into a major fault.
Making the car un-economical to repair?

Is this another way of further reducing the amount of older cars on the road?

(I love a good conspiracy theory me :D)
 
nilagin said:
But true. ;)
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What do you drive?
Ok so my zzr does 0-60 in 2.5 secs, the 600's in about 4 so unless you're talking scooters, the worse case bike will be doing 0-60 in 6 secs, which is pretty fast for a car in a traffic light Grand Prix. I don't call that holding up a car, especially as no driver/rider ever really gives it beans and on average acceleration the bike goes away quicker everytime. No holdup for the driver.

Unless you know different, drive something exotic and have a very heavy foot/poor mpg.
 
To be honest an MOT here is pretty useless after issue. The DVSA can pull you into one of their layby impromptu checks, and if, upon inspection, they deem your vehicle unfit, that's your lot. ..MOT or not.
 
viv1969 said:
To be honest an MOT here is pretty useless after issue. The DVSA can pull you into one of their layby impromptu checks, and if, upon inspection, they deem your vehicle unfit, that's your lot. ..MOT or not.
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Very true, there are even disclaimers on the wall of the MOT station that I go to.
Something about, if the vehicle has passed the test,
it doesn't necessarily mean that its safe to drive on the road,
Or some such crap. :rolleyes:
 
Byker28i said:
What do you drive?
Ok so my zzr does 0-60 in 2.5 secs, the 600's in about 4 so unless you're talking scooters, the worse case bike will be doing 0-60 in 6 secs, which is pretty fast for a car in a traffic light Grand Prix. I don't call that holding up a car, especially as no driver/rider ever really gives it beans and on average acceleration the bike goes away quicker everytime. No holdup for the driver.

Unless you know different, drive something exotic and have a very heavy foot/poor mpg.
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As I wrote before, no one mentioned a traffic light grand prix. I drive a Focus ST, but that doesn't matter, what matters is me sitting at the front waiting at traffic lights. Biker/scooterist, whatever, overtakes the queue and not wanting to cross the stop line, now stops, squeezing in next to my front wing. Because of their proximity I can't pull away until they have decided to move away, hence they are holding me up. it's not that hard to grasp.
 
nilagin said:
As I wrote before, no one mentioned a traffic light grand prix. I drive a Focus ST, but that doesn't matter, what matters is me sitting at the front waiting at traffic lights. Biker/scooterist, whatever, overtakes the queue and not wanting to cross the stop line, now stops, squeezing in next to my front wing. Because of their proximity I can't pull away until they have decided to move away, hence they are holding me up. it's not that hard to grasp.
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I'm not taking sides here as I rode a bike for years.
I can see both sides of the argument, and understand where you are coming from,
especially the scooters that wedge themselves between two lanes of traffic,
at lights / roundabouts.
If you try and pull off as you would normally,
they would quickly turn to jam.
 
normally even a small Bike will pull away from the traffic lights faster than most cars can ........ and they usually do
 
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