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just seen an article in canon rumours saying no 7D. Hope its not true
 
sorry guys its saying no replacement for the 7d so no 7d mk2
 
lol, yeah we gathered that but couldn't pass up a chance for a gentle rib. :love:
 
I saw that but can't believe it's accurate the 7D has been a great success for Canon am sure that there's a replacement model on the way
 
Probably, but it won't necessarily be called a 7D Mk 11.
 
But where to go 8D , followed by the 9D and then the 10D ? Oh wait we have already been there . Maybe it will be a 6D , oh hang on we're not doing too well with these numbers :confused:
 
7Dx

alternately they may have decided it aint broke so why fix it
 
wave01 said:
just seen an article in canon rumours saying no 7D. Hope its not true
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The clue is in the name Canon Rumours :lol: while they get a lot right or close to they also publish a lot that never comes to fruition....the saying a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind
 
7D Mk2 or not, Canon needs to do something to plug some big price gaps. There's a £1k gap between the 6D and 5D3, then a £2.5k jump to the 1DX following the 1D4's departure.
 
MWHCVT said:
The clue is in the name Canon Rumours :lol: while they get a lot right or close to they also publish a lot that never comes to fruition....the saying a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind
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the general rule of thumb is that any post that starts "my mate who works at canon" is going to be utter and complete b*****ks
 
The 7D along with the 5D2 have probably been the most successful cameras Canon has produced in recent years. There is a lot of pent up expectation amongst 7D users that it will be upgraded. If that expectation isn't met either with a 7D2, a name which would make sense, from a marketing perspective I assume, people may start looking elsewhere, and I'm sure they don't want to see an exodus to Nikon through not meeting those expectations.

Whilst the 70D is interesting, it doesn't quite offer what I perceive to be an upgrade to the 7D, so I'm one of those expectant customers, I hope Canon isn't going to disappoint me.
 
artyman said:
The 7D along with the 5D2 have probably been the most successful cameras Canon has produced in recent years. There is a lot of pent up expectation amongst 7D users that it will be upgraded. If that expectation isn't met either with a 7D2, a name which would make sense, from a marketing perspective I assume, people may start looking elsewhere, and I'm sure they don't want to see an exodus to Nikon through not meeting those expectations.

Whilst the 70D is interesting, it doesn't quite offer what I perceive to be an upgrade to the 7D, so I'm one of those expectant customers, I hope Canon isn't going to disappoint me.
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Interestingly, Nikon also seems reluctant to upgrade their 7D equivalent, the D300, with the long rumoured and awaited D400.

It's not an easy situation to read IMHO, but the last year or so has been extremely difficult for every camera manufacturer and with no sign of an upturn. It may be that the regular upgrade/replace cycle that we've come to know and love for so many years is no longer sustainable.
 
this is the noisy camera?.. well so I heard
 
well if there's no 7DmkII, at least you can't give the 7D a stupid name like....err....."classic"..:whistling:
 
Erm ... Could I just ask a silly, girly question ... Speaking as an enthusiastic 7D owner ... What's so wrong with it that you need an upgrade? Cracking bit of kit, works extremely well, takes great images, enough whistles and bells to keep most people happy (but not all, it seems) ... Quite simply, it ain't broke, so why do they need to fix it? ...

Just off back to the kitchen now, where I belong ......
 
Well, progress. The 7D is 2009 technology and there are advances in technology that newer cameras take advantage of. Ergo, Canon could be losing market share in this sector - otherwise we would still be using the Canon 10D and 300D.

I'm very pleased with my 7D, but would like to know what a successor in this segment may bring to the table.
 
Quicksnapper said:
Erm ... Could I just ask a silly, girly question ... Speaking as an enthusiastic 7D owner ... What's so wrong with it that you need an upgrade? Cracking bit of kit, works extremely well, takes great images, enough whistles and bells to keep most people happy (but not all, it seems) ... Quite simply, it ain't broke, so why do they need to fix it? ...

Just off back to the kitchen now, where I belong ......
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LOL So true :)

But the fact is, we need an excuse to buy a new toy and Canon needs us to buy new stuff to stay in business. That's the way it works, and how us chaps keep the world turning. It will not make a jot of difference to the quality of our photos, just as the last several DSLRs I bought did not make any noticeable difference to mine.
 
Oh, come on boys ..... Be honest .... You don't need any excuses to buy new toys, and the "new technology" you use as an excuse is just another technological gizmo which you don't really need and you'll probably never use. Other than for bragging rights at the camera club / bird hide / sports venue or wherever it is you hang out with your gear.

I accept the commercial issues, companies do need to keep offering new stuff to their markets to stay in business but I stand by my argument. You don't really NEED a new camera, you just want one, in the same way as you don't really need a new BMW, you just want one so your new one is the best one on the block.

I'll stick with my old fashioned 7D for now..... Does a great job and no need for any more gizmos ....

..... Oh ... Time to put the spuds on ..... Where's my apron gone ......?!
 
andrewc said:
Well, progress. The 7D is 2009 technology and there are advances in technology that newer cameras take advantage of. Ergo, Canon could be losing market share in this sector - otherwise we would still be using the Canon 10D and 300D.

I'm very pleased with my 7D, but would like to know what a successor in this segment may bring to the table.
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Me too; In an ideal world I'd like better high ISO performance (*though I can't see where in Canon this will come from) twin card slots and the wifi from the 6d / 70d, nothing else really.

*The 7d sensor is quite old now and most of the competition has a better sensor. I don't need more MP, but better high ISO performance would be great. However, Canon appear to have hit a wall with the APSC sensors, the 70d not being massively better for noise than the 7d et al.

If they don't bring out a replacement, I'll be saving for a move to FF (which I don't really want to do)
 
Seem to be the way the market going FF,even the mirrorless one Sony two new cameras,rummer of Fuji X2-pro being FF and the X200.

The only manufactures that seem to be sticking to smaller sensor are Olympus/Panasonic with the micro 4/3.
But i think for the moment their still a market at the lower end for APS-C sensor.

:)
 
Right now the only thing on my potential shopping list is a 7D2 and then keep my 7D1 as a second body. That is of course assuming that it has enough about it to make it worthwhile. I'm pretty sure that the demand is there to do it but it's possible their marketing oiks disagree.
 
simonblue said:
Why Nikon have not come out with D300s replacement
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difficult to see where it fits into the current line up.

I don't think (& I don't know if the decision is right or wrong) we're probably not going to see a replacement for either the 7d or the d300s
 
they may be thinking that the 70D occupies the niche for decent crop sensor body so that they don't need a 7Dmk2
 
Hopefull that's not the case that the 70D is the 7D replacement
The 7D controls are pretty much perfect
Its quick and easy to change settings with the joystick and big wheel thingy
My second body is a 550D it takes great shots but its fiddly to change some of the settings
Im after a second 7D but am holding out for a mk2 version
Don't think the missus would be too impressed if I bought a second 7D now and then wanted another new camera in six months time:D
 
I can't afford an upgrade at the mo.
However, I saw the market of the 7d as being perfect for bird-watching. High speed focus, matched with a high amount of pixels, and a crop sensor giving the user an automatic 'zoom'. Also, the 7d had what was meant to be a good response at high ISos.

With smartphones now saying they have 47mp, I would see that a 7d MII which would have a better mp, allowing for higher detail/better crop capabilities, could have a market.

But, what else would it need? For bird watching, would WIFI really be an assistance? Double batteries and more storage, possibly. I have a grip on mine for more batteries.

GPS dongle, probably useful, but more than most people would pay for
 
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Is there a market for a semi pro crop sensor sports type camera any more,the 70D although more serious enthusiast than semi pro seems to cover all the basis and after that all the manufacturers with the exception of Pentax seem to be going Full Frame
 
CaptainPenguin said:
Is there a market for a semi pro crop sensor sports type camera any more,the 70D although more serious enthusiast than semi pro seems to cover all the basis and after that all the manufacturers with the exception of Pentax seem to be going Full Frame
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Oh yes in my opinion
A lot of people shoot wildlife and birds and need the reach
Am sure that many of those would want the better controls , buffer and other features of a 7D type camera
 
a good compromise would be to add those features on to the 80D , before the 7D that niche was always filled by the xxD
 
big soft moose said:
a good compromise would be to add those features on to the 80D , before the 7D that niche was always filled by the xxD
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They were; but keeping the speed down a touch and losing the weatherproofing kept the cost of the xxD's lower. Whereas someone who wants a fast great AF camera now has to jump to the 1 series. The 7d was launched to bridge that gap, and now the gap is even larger (50d - 1dIV compared to 70d - 1dx)

As far as I see it Canon (Nikon for that matter) have created a gap by moving their pro sports cameras to FF and now they've left themselves a quandary, there's a market for that camera, but if they fill it too well, it kills sales of their higher end cameras. The 7d customers don't need a 1dx (and would probably not have bought a 1dIV) but a 70d doesn't feel 'pro' enough, with too many compromises for the consumer market.

The 7d was the 5dII's smaller faster brother, and the 5dIII still has a need for a smaller faster brother, the 70d is a ginger cousin.
 
personally i'd let the xxd cost go back up a bit and add those features (and the metal body) back in - those enthusiasts who want a budget version thats beeter than the xxxD have the x50D, so the xxD ought to sit at the high end ennthusiast/ low end pro level , along with the 6D for those wanting affordable full frame
 
HoppyUK said:
LOL So true :)

But the fact is, we need an excuse to buy a new toy and Canon needs us to buy new stuff to stay in business. That's the way it works, and how us chaps keep the world turning. It will not make a jot of difference to the quality of our photos, just as the last several DSLRs I bought did not make any noticeable difference to mine.
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Richard, if a 7d replacement could give us what the 7d promised but couldn't quite deliver, a lot of people would buy one!

If you have a few minutes to spare, you could read this.........

http://wp.me/p2BFlt-dg

I don't know where these rumours come from but this one could easily mean that the announcement of a 7d replacement is imminent but that it won't be called a "7d mark 2"
 
I want the replacement to have the same controls as the 7D, swivel screen, continuous focus for video, use CF cards, have better High ISO performance. I'm not so fussed about a pixel increase, but there is no way I'm going FF, the crop is too useful for birds. If Canon doesn't meet those needs I can't see me buying so they will lose sales.
 
jerry12953 said:
Richard, if a 7d replacement could give us what the 7d promised but couldn't quite deliver, a lot of people would buy one!

If you have a few minutes to spare, you could read this.........

http://wp.me/p2BFlt-dg

I don't know where these rumours come from but this one could easily mean that the announcement of a 7d replacement is imminent but that it won't be called a "7d mark 2"
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Thanks for that Jerry :) I don't think the market demand for a 7D Mk2 is in doubt, the question for me is rather if it now suits Canon to make one, with the features we want at a nice 7D-like price point. Frankly, I don't think that was ever going to happen and Canon was always going to push it higher, but with the new shape of the market, that may be worse than we know, I fear that every manufacturer will have to reconfigure their plans quite radically.

On your blog link, I'm not sure any crop-format APS-C camera will achieve what you (we all) would like. I don't think Canon will push the pixel count much on a new 7D, as that's already adequate IMHO and any more will slow the potential frame-rate. But if they can improve the ISO performance by one stop, that will be quite an achievement.

The other problem is simply lenses don't perform as well on smaller formats. I don't know how familiar you are with lens MTF sharpness performance, but from my numerous magazine tests I know that on average MTF level drops by about 12% just by changing from FF to APS-C. That is very noticeable, and an unavoidable fact of physics, regardless of the sensor or pixels or ISO performance.

The only way to compensate (partly) for that is to start with an extremely sharp lens in the first place, one with resolution 'in reserve' and can take that hit better, like the Great White Canons - they're just in a different league. 400/5.6L is a fine lens, but it's not in the top class, and the extender only makes things worse. Better still, switch to full-frame and an even longer lens to get the reach back - short answer, 5D3 and 600/4L. There's no avoiding the fact that high quality long lens work is very expensive, and no new camera is going to change that.

Suggest hire say a 600/4L or 500/4L, and shoot the 7D side by side with your 400/5.6L and extender. And also, watch out for poor atmospherics messing things up.
 
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is it noticeable in real life though or only on pixel peeping tests ?
 
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