Nikon z 180-600 alternatives

petrolhead

Suspended / Banned
Messages
427
Edit My Images
No
I am 64 now and starting to struggle with heavy lenses. Handholding and in my back pack climbing hill etc

So am looking for a lighter alternative, have thought about a prime but think I would miss the versatility of a zoom.

So thinking about the Z 100-400 with the 1.4tc

Thoughts please., pref from people that had a similar problem or use a 1.4tc with the 100-400
 
I am 64 now and starting to struggle with heavy lenses. Handholding and in my back pack climbing hill etc

So am looking for a lighter alternative, have thought about a prime but think I would miss the versatility of a zoom.

So thinking about the Z 100-400 with the 1.4tc

Thoughts please., pref from people that had a similar problem or use a 1.4tc with the 100-400
Have you considered a change of system to mFT such as an OM1 with, in the case of a prime, the 300mm F4 that gives the FoV equivalent of a 600mm lens?

Other lenses in the range are the zooms 100-400 & 150-600 are relatively budget worthy but if bigger pockets, money wise, the 150-400 with built in x1.25 TC.
 
Have you considered a change of system to mFT such as an OM1 with, in the case of a prime, the 300mm F4 that gives the FoV equivalent of a 600mm lens?

Other lenses in the range are the zooms 100-400 & 150-600 are relatively budget worthy but if bigger pockets, money wise, the 150-400 with built in x1.25 TC.
Another shout for the Olympus system.

I run the EM1X and the lenses are all superb & tiny in comparison to FF & APSC lenses.
 
I’m not sure you’d save much weight with the 100-400 + 1.4 TC over the 180-600 lens.

1.4 TC = 220g
100-400 = 1435g
Total = 1655g

180-600 = 1950g


I recently swapped the 100-400 for the 400mm f4.5. The 400mm f4.5 was originally the lens I wanted when moving to the Z8 but a well priced 100-400 enticed me as a stop gap until I found a well priced 400mm f4.5. I was surprised how much lighter the 400mm f4.5 is than the 100-400. The 100-400 felt front heavy for hand holding. The 400mm f4.5 balanced better IMO.

I’m happy with the 400mm f4.5. I picked up the 1.4TC but not got around to trying it in the wild.

Weight has always been a concern of mine and i felt fine carrying the 400mm f4.5 and Z8 around Bempton Cliffs recently. It only weights 1160g so the combination comes in at 2070g. The big weight saving is I don’t carry a tripod any more as I’m more than happy hand holding the 400mm f4.5.

If you could be happy with a prime it could be worth it. I’ve been a long term zoom user since the days of a 200-400 f4 (great lens but heavy). It’s worth checking lightroom for the focal lengths you use. I did that and found it was mainly the longer end of the zoom lenses around 300-400mm.
 
Last edited:
I have both the 100-400 (it was one of the Z systems earliest telephotos) and also the 400 4.5.
Oddly enough I was out with the 100-400 earlier this week and agree with Rob -when you zoom out it becomes front heavy.

The 400 prime is lighter and better balanced. Primes usually fare better with tc's.
 
Have you thought about the Nikon 500mm PF with the FTZ adapter - Nikon F mount lenses have become bargains, used, now that the Z mount is established
 
Have you thought about the Nikon 500mm PF with the FTZ adapter - Nikon F mount lenses have become bargains, used, now that the Z mount is established
I considered the 500mm PF as it’s a fantastic performer and far better than its price point (it shines in this review).

The only reason I didn’t was because to get an excellent/as new condition 500mm PF via stores it would be £2-2.2k. That’s a lot to invest in a F mount lens for use on mirrorless Z cameras. I personally find it hard to invest so much by buying an F mount lens when I don’t have a DSLR anymore. If I already had a 500mm PF I wouldn’t be selling it. If I could get a 500mm PF at a bargain price it may make sense but I doubt anyone who has one would be willing to sell it so cheap when it performs well with the adapter on mirrorless.

I picked up the 400mm f4.5 new for not much more at the photography show in March than WEX are selling a 500mm PF in 9+ condition so it was a no brainer going with the 400mm f4.5 in the end.
 
Have you considered the Tamron 150-500, slightly darker but seems to get some decent reviews.
 
I considered the 500mm PF as it’s a fantastic performer and far better than its price point (it shines in this review).

The only reason I didn’t was because to get an excellent/as new condition 500mm PF via stores it would be £2-2.2k. That’s a lot to invest in a F mount lens for use on mirrorless Z cameras. I personally find it hard to invest so much by buying an F mount lens when I don’t have a DSLR anymore. If I already had a 500mm PF I wouldn’t be selling it. If I could get a 500mm PF at a bargain price it may make sense but I doubt anyone who has one would be willing to sell it so cheap when it performs well with the adapter on mirrorless.

I picked up the 400mm f4.5 new for not much more at the photography show in March than WEX are selling a 500mm PF in 9+ condition so it was a no brainer going with the 400mm f4.5 in the end.

There's also the 300mm PF
 
I am 64 now and starting to struggle with heavy lenses. Handholding and in my back pack climbing hill etc

So am looking for a lighter alternative, have thought about a prime but think I would miss the versatility of a zoom.

So thinking about the Z 100-400 with the 1.4tc

Thoughts please., pref from people that had a similar problem or use a 1.4tc with the 100-400
Personally I'd look at the z 400 f4.5 if you can manage without a zoom (same weight as Oly) plus the 1.4 converter. If not, go with the 100-400 as you are only approx. 200 grams heavier with the latter over the Oly. (nikon body dependant in all cases).
 
Last edited:
Do consider the Z 600 F6.3 as well, if your budget permits. Longer reach and unbelievably light.
Regards
Somnath
 
Having weight everything up (no pun intended) I am going to keep the 180-600 and persevere

To change to the 100-400 or the 400 p.us a 1.4 tc is just going to cost a lot of money. As Rob pointed out by the time I add a tc to the 100-400 I'm not far off the weight of the 180-600

I also think, having the flexibility of a zoom is of importance to me

So thank you for all your input and helping me get things straight in my mind
 
Just another thing, if you don't mind

Any advice to help re hand holding
 
I have one but find it unwieldy when shooting planes and birds in flight
 
Nikon 180-600 = 2140gms

Nikon 600mm PF = 1390gms. No zoom of course.

But an expensive solution.
 
Have you considered something like the

Sirui EP-224S Carbon Fibre Photo/Video Monopod With Support Feet

 
Retaining the monopod movement with the option of tripod feet at the bottom providing extra stability, but if you are looking I'd definitely recommend CF for the price. Or, you could attach a piece of string to the lens foot/camera and stand on the other end adding tension for stability.
 
Last edited:
A lightweight zoom is the 28-400.
Would this be long enough?
 
I have one but find it unwieldy when shooting planes and birds in flight
A bit late with this, but I use this with a monopod, as I also found the lens mounted to the monopod unwieldy in the circumstances you describe, and even a lever locking "auto clamp" quick release with a normal head inconvenient when wanting to switch the camera between handheld and monopod or vice versa.



The ball adds a bit of weight to the lens (but equally, helps support the lens handheld). It allows the lens to be instantly dropped in and out of the clamp on the monopod. You don't need to tighten the clamp as the ball just clicks into place. You "can" lock the ball into the clamp by sliding down a lever (this still gives full free movement, but stops the ball falling out the clamp). You can also fully clamp the ball in place if you don't want the camera to move when releasing one hand from the lens to adjust the height of the monopod or make a two handed adjustment to camera settings.

The "customised" shoulder strap includes a wrist strap, and if I need to quickly switch from camera on monopod to handheld I just lift the ball out of the clamp and let go of the monopod, which swings from my wrist, but without much weight as it's still normally reaching the ground. Still not ideal, but it works.

My normal approach is to carry the monopod over one shoulder with a shoulder strap, and use the camera handheld for grab shots e.g. birds in flight, But, if I need to hold the camera to my eye for longer periods e.g. waiting for an egret to catch a fish I drop it on the monopod for support.. I also find it useful when I want to hold the focus point or framing more "steady" e.g close ups of dragonflies or framing through foliage.

It's a bit pricey, and you can buy with a non-locking cup to support the ball, which also allows you to switch things around and reduce the additional weight on the lens ie you fit the cup to the lens and the ball to the monopod, but I have found being able to lock the lens into the clamp, invaluable. The little chest support "leg" that comes with the kit is also useful at times not just a chest support but also for lifting the lens up a bit in a hide.

There is a cheaper option (Speed Gimbal) made by someone on this forum @old git but it doesn't have a clamp to lock the ball in place.


I used to have the cheaper Novoflex option (one that comes without the clamp, and only the cup) but bought the clamp at a later date because I felt being able to properly lock the ball in place would be useful, and it is. But I only use this locking feature occasionally, and for a lot less money the speed gimbal seems to offer 90%. of the Novoflex functionality.

If I had the money, I would buy one just to try it out, as it looks like a good alternative, and it seems a better first try to see if the approach will work for you, before coughing up the money for the Novoflex, if it looks like the clamp approach would be worth the extra.
 
Thanks for the info

The Novoflex is more than I want to spend, however the SpeediGimbal looks promising
 
Thanks for the info

The Novoflex is more than I want to spend, however the SpeediGimbal looks promising
The Novoflex is massively more expensive from when I bought it, Either of these options solves the main problem of quickly getting the camera off and on the monopod in response to changes in subject actvity.
 
The Novoflex is massively more expensive from when I bought it, Either of these options solves the main problem of quickly getting the camera off and on the monopod in response to changes in subject actvity.
I decided to make my own
IMG_1707.jpeg

IMG_1709.jpeg
 
If only I had the skills :-(

I actually "invented" this ball and cup idea many years ago, and created some sketches that looked very similar to the one you have made (or the speed gimbal).

I immediately bought the Novoflex when I discovered they had pretty well stolen my idea !!

Over the years, I seem to have invented lots things that people have already invented :-(

I hope this works for you.
 
If only I had the skills :-(

I actually "invented" this ball and cup idea many years ago, and created some sketches that looked very similar to the one you have made (or the speed gimbal).

I immediately bought the Novoflex when I discovered they had pretty well stolen my idea !!

Over the years, I seem to have invented lots things that people have already invented :-(

I hope this works for you.
I'll let you know
 
Back
Top