Nikon mirrorless definitely on the way

[Daniel_Paul]

I don't suppose anyone knows if there's a list of what lenses will work with the adapter is there? Coming from a DX D3300, I would be really interested in the Z series if my current lenses were to work (Tokina 11-16, Tamron 18-200m D1 ii and Nikon 35mm f1.8) but can't tell from anything I have read online!

 

[johnnypanic]

Don't believe, such a list exists, at the moment. Once they're in camera stores, it may be possible, to take them along and try on a shop display unit?

 

[f/1.2]

I don't suppose anyone knows if there's a list of what lenses will work with the adapter is there? Coming from a DX D3300, I would be really interested in the Z series if my current lenses were to work (Tokina 11-16, Tamron 18-200m D1 ii and Nikon 35mm f1.8) but can't tell from anything I have read online!

Pretty sure I read that no DX lenses will work with the adaptor.

 

[snerkler]

I don't suppose anyone knows if there's a list of what lenses will work with the adapter is there? Coming from a DX D3300, I would be really interested in the Z series if my current lenses were to work (Tokina 11-16, Tamron 18-200m D1 ii and Nikon 35mm f1.8) but can't tell from anything I have read online!

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't recommend using DX lenses on FX. I know you can, but what's the point in buying an expensive body to then cripple it?

 

[redhed17]

I don't suppose anyone knows if there's a list of what lenses will work with the adapter is there? Coming from a DX D3300, I would be really interested in the Z series if my current lenses were to work (Tokina 11-16, Tamron 18-200m D1 ii and Nikon 35mm f1.8) but can't tell from anything I have read online!

Here is a list of current Nikon lenses which are compatible with the FTZ Adapter. For older Nikon lenses there may be a list somewhere, as they were claiming specific numbers were compatible, so you would think there would be a list. For third party lenses, in theory they should work, but until the cameras and the adapter is out in the wild no one will know.

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't recommend using DX lenses on FX. I know you can, but what's the point in buying an expensive body to then cripple it?

Well some people may only have DX lenses. Not everyone can buy everything at once, as you say they are expensive cameras.

The benefit of using DX lenses on a mirrorless Nikon camera is that the viewfinder should be filled rather than looking at a cropped view with a lot of the viewfinder shaded out on a FF DSLR. Use a DX lens on a Z7 and you would still get 20Mp. With the Z6 you will only get 10Mp with a DX lens.

 

[snerkler]

Here is a list of current Nikon lenses which are compatible with the FTZ Adapter. For older Nikon lenses there may be a list somewhere, as they were claiming specific numbers were compatible, so you would think there would be a list. For third party lenses, in theory they should work, but until the cameras and the adapter is out in the wild no one will know.


Well some people may only have DX lenses. Not everyone can buy everything at once, as you say they are expensive cameras.

The benefit of using DX lenses on a mirrorless Nikon camera is that the viewfinder should be filled rather than looking at a cropped view with a lot of the viewfinder shaded out on a FF DSLR. Use a DX lens on a Z7 and you would still get 20Mp. With the Z6 you will only get 10Mp with a DX lens.

Very true, but I would recommend lenses first then body

 

[Daniel_Paul]

Sorry yeah I should have said, if they don't work then I'll look at keeping the D3300 and maybe switching systems. Thanks for the replies, eagerly awaiting them actually coming out!!

 

[jonneymendoza]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMiL4gSdOfA


from 3min onwards he tests with adapted lenses

 

[HoppyUK]

I don't suppose anyone knows if there's a list of what lenses will work with the adapter is there? Coming from a DX D3300, I would be really interested in the Z series if my current lenses were to work (Tokina 11-16, Tamron 18-200m D1 ii and Nikon 35mm f1.8) but can't tell from anything I have read online!

The list linked by Redhed is misleading - it's a list of (current) Nikon lenses that will fit the Zeds, but not necessarily function 100%. There are 108 lenses on the list, but 23 of them are apparently not fully compatible, according to Thom Hogan.
https://www.sansmirror.com/newsview...ra/july-september-2018-mirrorl/boo-nikon.html

 

[snerkler]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMiL4gSdOfA


from 3min onwards he tests with adapted lenses

I can confirm that the Z7 does not focus as fast as the D850, I don't need to see his side by side test

 

[redhed17]

I can confirm that the Z7 does not focus as fast as the D850, I don't need to see his side by side test

Maybe everyone is not as fortunate as you.

 

[HoppyUK]

I can confirm that the Z7 does not focus as fast as the D850, I don't need to see his side by side test

Yes, and apart from the fact he's telling us nothing new at all, he's taken over five minutes of my life to tell me something that could be said in nine words. These talking-head videos are so inefficient at conveying information, and mind-numbingly dull. Jeez, vloggers

 

[Cagey75]

Yes, and apart from the fact he's telling us nothing new at all, he's taken over five minutes of my life to tell me something that could be said in nine words. These talking-head videos are so inefficient at conveying information, and mind-numbingly dull. Jeez, vloggers

What? you mean he doesn't even perv like a strange creep on some nude models in it? saved me a click

 

[HoppyUK]

What? you mean he doesn't even perv like a strange creep on some nude models in it? saved me a click

Haha that'll disappoint a few more folks on here

 

[snerkler]

Maybe everyone is not as fortunate as you.

I didn't mean it like that

 

[Mike.P]

Has anyone seen a report on Sigma lenses being used via the adapter on the Z bodies?

I have been offered a Sigma 500mm f/4 sport in Nikon mount and although I will probably buy a D500 it would be nice to know if it worked onthe new mirrorless mount. I sent an email to Sigma but they weren't very forthcoming.

At this time the final production equipment from Nikon is not available for testing so we cannot answer this question currently. In a similar vein Sigma Corporation have made no announcements regarding support for the new Z series Nikon cameras.

 

[ihasa]

It seems logical that any AF-S lens would work, presumably the issue with third party lenses is the same as whenever a new body is announced. (The new Z camera + adapter is effectively just another new body). From what I've heard, it's really the new Z mount primes primes that justify the existence of the Z system. They sound like amazing performers.

 

[JJ!]

Been following a thread on DP review on continuous shooting of the Z6. It looks like it defiantly does focus between frames even on his high FPS mode. It just locks the exposure on first frame. Black out seems reasonable too.

 

[JJ!]

Anyone pre-ordered the Nikon? Shame that there is no 70-200 until next year without the adaptor - pretty sure the AF will not be mind blowing with the adaptor and the current 70-200's.

Plus those primes lenses are ££££!!!

 

[woof woof]

A couple of people at Luminous Landscape have got their Nikons now plus Kevin Raber has one to review and will be seeing how it works with DSLR lenses and posting a review on that site.

 

[JJ!]

A couple of people at Luminous Landscape have got their Nikons now plus Kevin Raber has one to review and will be seeing how it works with DSLR lenses and posting a review on that site.

Will be interesting to get some real world reviews of production models!

 

[Daniel_Paul]

Some interesting videos on the Z 7 I found today:

 

[jonneymendoza]

dp has an extensive review of the camera now and here are some points

• average AF performance
• banding worse then sony's

This is what i can see so far from the reviews

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/7

 

[SFTPhotography]

Wait until the Panasonic one comes. They’ve got more experience of making little cameras. The d850 is the Nikon to have, not this

 

[woof woof]

Wait until the Panasonic one comes. They’ve got more experience of making little cameras. The d850 is the Nikon to have, not this

The Panasonic may be more video related and if it is that'll be very nice for video people. Thankfully I'm pretty sure it'll take still pictures too.

 

[Fraser Euan White]

dp has an extensive review of the camera now and here are some points

• average AF performance
• banding worse then sony's

This is what i can see so far from the reviews

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/7

Your obviously reading from a very biased viewpoint coming to those conclusions from that review as it doesn't say that at all!!

First line quote: (Pre production example with early firmware)

While the overall autofocus performance of the Z7 is impressive, it comes with some caveats. In general it’s fast, responsive, decisive, and it has face detection as well as the enormous AF coverage we’ve now come to expect from on-sensor phase-detect AF systems. Overall, compared to the bar set by well-performing mirrorless cameras, it more or less meets expectations for most users.

 

[adrianday]

Am I the only one a little bothered about the imbalance between the small body and huge lenses? I've always found that combo particularly unpleasant to carry for an extended period. A grip helps hugely. But, sadly, also has the same effect on the overall body size.

Am I missing something?

 

[nandbytes]

Am I the only one a little bothered about the imbalance between the small body and huge lenses? I've always found that combo particularly unpleasant to carry for an extended period. A grip helps hugely. But, sadly, also has the same effect on the overall body size.

Am I missing something?

Then use a small lens on a small body

 

[woof woof]

Your obviously reading from a very biased viewpoint coming to those conclusions from that review as it doesn't say that at all!!

Well, there do seem to be some pretty hard core Nikon fanboys using words like "adequate" and phrases like "I don't need SOTA focus for landscape" which may well be code for not great and not up to the best in class.

I've not seen them mention banding but there do seem to be those who seem to think that people shouldn't be pushing 3, 4 or 5 stops and complaining which may be code for yes we bashed Canon when they were bad when pushed and yes we've changed our tune now but hey, we love Nikon.

 

[nandbytes]

Well, there do seem to be some pretty hard core Nikon fanboys using words like "adequate" and phrases like "I don't need SOTA focus for landscape" which may well be code for not great and not up to the best in class.

I've not seen them mention banding but there do seem to be those who seem to think that people shouldn't be pushing 3, 4 or 5 stops and complaining which may be code for yes we bashed Canon when they were bad when pushed and yes we've changed our tune now but hey, we love Nikon.

Don't forget the bashing Sony got for compressed RAW because you couldn't push 6 stops

 

[Fraser Euan White]

Well, there do seem to be some pretty hard core Nikon fanboys using words like "adequate" and phrases like "I don't need SOTA focus for landscape" which may well be code for not great and not up to the best in class.

I've not seen them mention banding but there do seem to be those who seem to think that people shouldn't be pushing 3, 4 or 5 stops and complaining which may be code for yes we bashed Canon when they were bad when pushed and yes we've changed our tune now but hey, we love Nikon.

Forget this fanboy crap Alan - WHERE IN THAT DP REVIEW DOES IT COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE AF PERFORMANCE IS AVERAGE?

 

[adrianday]

Then use a small lens on a small body

Or a big lens on a big body

I use both - and combinations in between. But front heavy setups have never suited me. I guess it's due to the position of the centre of gravity relative to the right wrist. The closer the better.

 

[woof woof]

Don't forget the bashing Sony got for compressed RAW because you couldn't push 6 stops

I do have sympathy for the view that "it's good enough so why should I complain" but the hypocrisy is staggering and a good example of fanboyism not being a great idea as sooner or later it'll probably bite you in the derriere.

 

[woof woof]

Forget this fanboy crap Alan - WHERE IN THAT DP REVIEW DOES IT COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE AF PERFORMANCE IS AVERAGE?

I didn't mention the DP review, did I?

If I was to be a fanboy of anything it'd probably be Nikon as I had one for something between 20 and 30 years.

Got any more baseless accusations to throw my way?

I was just having a bit of fun. I do have a bit of sympathy for the fan boys, but not much Smiley just to show you I'm not a nasty b'stard.

 

[Fraser Euan White]

Post deleted - can't be arsed with the petty arguments!

 

[Riz_Guru]

Don't forget the bashing Sony got for compressed RAW because you couldn't push 6 stops

Sony got bashed way more than Nikon & Canon when it came out.... it’s payback time lol

 

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

Pros and cons to both

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews...2018-mirrorl/sony-versus-nikon-mirrorles.html

 

[jonneymendoza]

Your obviously reading from a very biased viewpoint coming to those conclusions from that review as it doesn't say that at all!!

First line quote: (Pre production example with early firmware)

While the overall autofocus performance of the Z7 is impressive, it comes with some caveats. In general it’s fast, responsive, decisive, and it has face detection as well as the enormous AF coverage we’ve now come to expect from on-sensor phase-detect AF systems. Overall, compared to the bar set by well-performing mirrorless cameras, it more or less meets expectations for most users.

Read the full thing mate

some snippets:

In some ways though, it doesn’t quite meet the incredibly high bar set by Nikon’s own DSLRs. Without a doubt, one of the first things a Nikon DSLR shooter picking up a Z7 will notice is that its AF interface is disorienting in its unfamiliarity. There wasn’t a single person in the office that didn’t scratch his/her head at the new AF interface.

Where was ‘3D Tracking’? Where were all the d9/d25/d153 modes? For that matter, where was the AF area mode button alongside the left-side of the lens barrel? The one that in combination with the front and back dials allowed for quick changing of AF modes (AF-S/C) and AF area modes, respectively?

Instead of extended 'dynamic modes' like 'd25' and 'd72' or 'Group AF', Z shooters will only find two additional modes: 'Wide S' (which is a bit larger than Single, but smaller than the 'Dynamic' area) and 'Wide L' (a bit larger than 'Dynamic'). We found the Wide S and L modes to be barely any more useful than the Single Point of 'Dynamic', and would've preferred the increasingly larger sizes of 'd72' or 'd153' modes, for example. And instead of '3D Tracking', subject tracking is tacked on to Auto Area mode, engaged by hitting 'OK' or by tapping on the LCD and, worse, always requiring a press of the 'OK' button to reset the AF point if you wish to switch your subject.

Continuous autofocus can be very effective, and opens up a new ‘Dynamic’ AF area mode, similar to d9 on Nikon DSLRs. Regrettably, the similarities to Nikon DSLRs’ continuous AF system end there. You can’t ‘grow’ the Dynamic area mode beyond d9 (to d25 or larger). And though you can use ‘Wide L’, it still may not be a large enough ‘zone’ for your needs.

And finally check the actual images of tracking that guy Jordan. MOST of those shots are not in focus....

16 shots taken and only about 6/7 of them is in focus(but still not pin sharp focus).

this camera along with any other brand needs to be shown and criticised for its weaknesses

 

[jonneymendoza]

interesting:

There is NO WAY to have an SLR AF system in the mirrorless system, it is technically impossible"

And yet Sony and Olympus both have subject tracking AF modes that behave exactly like Nikon 3D Tracking, yet this new Nikon Z does not.

Technically impossible? I think not.

 

[woof woof]

I'd say thank Gosh that mirrorless uses a different focus system to a SLR as taking the focus off something physically removed from where the image is recorded is a recipe for alignment issue and inconsistency.

It must make much more sense to determine focus on the recording device, the sensor. This is how mirrorless does it and how DSLR's do it when they're in live view.