Nikon mirrorless definitely on the way

I mentioned in another thread that I'd read that there was some drawback with Canon's dual pixel focusing tech v Sony but I can't remember what it was... Anyone know what I'm talking about????

If what I read was anywhere near on the money and there is some drawback there then Canon too may be trying hard to get the AF to Sony rivalling levels.

Time will tell.
 
woof woof said:
I mentioned in another thread that I'd read that there was some drawback with Canon's dual pixel focusing tech v Sony but I can't remember what it was... Anyone know what I'm talking about????

If what I read was anywhere near on the money and there is some drawback there then Canon too may be trying hard to get the AF to Sony rivalling levels.

Time will tell.
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DP is better for video but slower for stills than Sonys implementation, dynamic range also suffers.
 
Eye-AF is telling I think. As I understand it, it's exactly the same technology as face-detect and subject-detect, but demands a higher standard of accuracy. That's why it's missing from the Nikon Zeds.

Canon must implement it IMHO, if they can.
 
twist said:
DP is better for video but slower for stills than Sonys implementation, dynamic range also suffers.
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I think that's probably what I read as it was as far as I can remember an article more about the sensors than focusing speed.
 
twist said:
Errr you guys do realise Canon already has eye AF right?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUTdR758XfU
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And others have Eye-AF too, including Nikon DSLRs, but AFAIK nobody can match the uncanny accuracy and consistency of Sony. Smaller sensor cameras with slower lesnes (with inherently greater DoF) demand far less accuracy than full-frame at f/1.4.

I agree though - the signs at Canon are promising :)
 
Although that is their first attempt at eye-af, their next one will be a year older and more mature, it might not match Sony’s but it should be better.
 
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DP is better for video but slower for stills than Sonys implementation, dynamic range also suffers.
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The speed thing can be worked on, but the loss of dynamic range is due to half the light going to the AF. I guess that can be worked on and improved too, but it's a fundamental drawback of dual-pixel technology as I understand it.
 
Ed Sutton said:
Kirk Tuck viewing from a different angle again - https://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com/2018/08/thinking-about-nikon-z-series-after.html
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He's hanging a lot on the Z-mount and it's apparently magical effect on optical performance - but he's just falling for the marketing spin.

It's bigger, that's all - it makes huge (colossal?) ultra-low f/numbers like f/0.95 possible if that's really what you want, and the shorter back-focus can in theory make wide-angle lens design easier. But in reality there are also serious downsides to the latter with digital and I'm not aware of any other mirrorless lenses with short back-focus suddenly jumping up in optical performance.

He also says he could be wrong, and didn't attend the Nikon launch event.

Edit: it looks like the new 50/1.8 and 35/1.8 lenses for the new Z cameras are very good, but that's because they are complex new state-of-the-art designs, and are priced accordingly, rather than benefiting much from the shorter back-focus. They're certainly not particularly compact.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
I love it when people use the defence you don’t need back up cards is “I never had a card failed on me”.

So that counts as evidence but my experience of a failed card somehow should not be counted.

I guess if you’ve never had a car accident you should drive without insurance or seatbelt too?
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And you seemed to have missed the part about image quality ;)
 
BigBudgie said:
Someone talking some sense at last !!!

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/27/anonymous-nikon-z7-guest-post.aspx/#more-125920
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Some may call it sense, others may call it just another post defending Nikon by dismissing all the Z6/7’s shortcomings.
Yes the IQ will be great but you can get great IQ out of many different systems these days.

Most professionals demand dual slots, good tracking AF and good fps, the ones who are happy with less are usually in the minority.
 
Raymond Lin said:
It’s only good IQ if I have the files to show clients :p
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I quite agree but you can't just pick and choose from the facts that suit your prejudices.... also in the dialogue, cameras fail, batteries fail - XQD cards are incredibly reliable. I would suggest you're as equally susceptible to not getting to a venue because of crappy traffic or a vehicle malfunction! How far do we want to take the argument? :p
 
HoppyUK said:
I wonder what it's like in the Canon board room this week - are they smiling smugly or rushing to the loo :eek:
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Indeed. Now they know what the punters want and it will be up to them to provide it. If not.......:confused:

Personally I can't wait to see what canon have got up their sleeves.
 
chuckles said:
I quite agree but you can't just pick and choose from the facts that suit your prejudices.... also in the dialogue, cameras fail, batteries fail - XQD cards are incredibly reliable. I would suggest you're as equally susceptible to not getting to a venue because crappy traffic or a vehicle malfunction! How far do we want to take the argument? :p
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Quite right, you can’t pick and choose facts so just because you never had a card failed doesn’t mean I haven’t (I have, twice).

The argument stops there because if I don’t have any pictures the camera is a doorstop. No need to take it any further.

End of story.
 
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“Start with the looks of the Z vs the A7. Its' a prettier camera, Then focus on the image quality....”

FFS.
 
snerkler said:
If they do I could see myself moving over to the dark side and becoming a Canon shooter :eek: :eek: :eek:

I’d be surprised if Canon didn’t bring something great out at the first time of asking. Eye-AF doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
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Canon have eyeAF in AF-S on their M50.
Their sensor will probably not be as good.
 
I’d also be interested to know how he’s compared the sensor to any other camera bearing in mind everyone is shooting JPG and no raw converters yet support the files.

Answer. It’s a puff piece. At best.
 
I love the sarky comments underneath that article, about the camera only having the one shutter, one battery slot etc :D It's gone well boring now, every day it's yet another Nikon rep, and now we have anonymous testers? telling us all is fine, it's bloody amazeballs! I think anyone who's decided they're not buying it at this stage should just stop worrying about it. Life goes on.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Quite right, you can’t pick and choose facts so just because you never had a card failed doesn’t mean I haven’t (I have, twice)
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Compact Flash? SD... XQD?
 
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