Nikon mirrorless definitely on the way

I think I'll give it a year or two to see how things develop, very early days. They have a lot of catching up to do on Sony, Olympus, Fuji and Panasonic. Very limited lens choice and poor battery life. As I said early days. Only having the xqd slot and no second sd slot worries me.
 
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And great as Ross is, he’s definitely not ‘the most famous’ and I’m sure he wouldn’t be hurt by that.

We may all have our own favourites, but I’d say ‘the most famous uk wedding photographer’ is a canon shooter.

Ed Peers for me. Uses Canon I think.
 
Main takers from that are:

1. af not as good as the d850 for 3d tracking
2. Log profiles only work with an external recorder
3. doesnt stop down wide open to shoot in low light but only at f5.6
4. The amount of distance of your fingers to the lens is around the same as it is in the sony so if you have fat fingers it looks like you will have same issue as the sony
5. the custom buttons on the side of the lens mount are hard to get to.
6. selecting af points for tracking through the EVF requires an extra step, ie first move the af point and then press ok/confirm and then focus hold and track...

Less so if you're a Nikon shooter, probably. I miss those buttons on the front since switching to Sony.
 
Main takers from that are:

1. af not as good as the d850 for 3d tracking
2. Log profiles only work with an external recorder
3. doesnt stop down wide open to shoot in low light but only at f5.6
4. The amount of distance of your fingers to the lens is around the same as it is in the sony so if you have fat fingers it looks like you will have same issue as the sony
5. the custom buttons on the side of the lens mount are hard to get to.
6. selecting af points for tracking through the EVF requires an extra step, ie first move the af point and then press ok/confirm and then focus hold and track...
Where in the video does it mention room between grip and lens? (I’ve not had chance to watch properly yet?) It looks far more room here (although different size lenses admittedly)
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Where in the video does it mention room between grip and lens? (I’ve not had chance to watch properly yet?)]

At the very end he reviews his thought that there isn't enough room for his fingers to reach Fn1 & Fn2.
 
On the card thing. When we switched to Sony we just used our SD cards from the D750.

If we were to replace our SDs with XQDs, based on current Amazon prices, it would cost us around £3000 to have the same amount of cards as we have right now. One set alone would cost us £600. That's going to be another big consideration for people who shoot weddings/sports. Had it been SD plus XQD we could've just bought one £600 set and then use our SD cards. We'd not only have a backup slot, but we wouldn't suddenly have dozens of redundant 64gb SD cards.
 
At the very end he reviews his thought that there isn't enough room for his fingers to reach Fn1 & Fn2.
I thought from the DPR review he said his finngers aren’t big enough to reach them comfortably.
 
Main takers from that are:

1. af not as good as the d850 for 3d tracking
2. Log profiles only work with an external recorder
3. doesnt stop down wide open to shoot in low light but only at f5.6
4. The amount of distance of your fingers to the lens is around the same as it is in the sony so if you have fat fingers it looks like you will have same issue as the sony
5. the custom buttons on the side of the lens mount are hard to get to.
6. selecting af points for tracking through the EVF requires an extra step, ie first move the af point and then press ok/confirm and then focus hold and track...

There's a surprise that the only thing you picked from the video was negatives...
 
There's a surprise that the only thing you picked from the video was negatives...
Maybe i should have rewarded it and say that these are negetives found so far from the previews.

I myself pay close attention to negetivees of a product rather then its benefits. Why? because if there is a game breaking negetive then i dont care if there is a positive that uber cool yet one deal breaker there!

Whats wrong with showing what the negetives are?no camera is perfect i can pick out the negetives of the sony if u want ?
 
he card one is frustrating really because on most modern camera bodies over a certain price band they are a standard feature,

But how long ago is it that dual card slots first appeared on a dslr? I've only ever owned one camera with dual card slots and I've never used one of the slots. Maybe I've been lucky.....

I just think that sometimes camera manufacturers are on a hiding to nothing. Once a feature is introduced - sometimes to users' surprise - it becomes a must-have and if they produce something without it there are howls of derision. It may be a valid criticism in this case but have a sense of proportion, folks........
 
Them lenses look cheap AF too. No doubt optically brilliant but look plastic fantastic in a kit lens sorta way
 
There's a surprise that the only thing you picked from the video was negatives...

Haha Nikon has got most things right (y)

It'll sell by the shedload to the many millions of current Nikon users with a few F-mount lenses, and that's the #1 priority. That'll put Sony back to number two, and when Canon come along in a few months, they'll take top spot and normal service will be resumed :D
 
I can only think of one new camera from the major manufacturers that hasn't been slagged off here and elsewhere on first release. Over a period of time users get used to the percieved limitations and appreciate the positives.

But I'm not a gear freak so I may have missed something.......;)
 
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But how long ago is it that dual card slots first appeared on a dslr? I've only ever owned one camera with dual card slots and I've never used one of the slots. Maybe I've been lucky.....

I just think that sometimes camera manufacturers are on a hiding to nothing. Once a feature is introduced - sometimes to users' surprise - it becomes a must-have and if they produce something without it there are howls of derision. It may be a valid criticism in this case but have a sense of proportion, folks........

Had my first Dual card slot in 2010! So last 8 years for me.
 
No, he says his short fingers can't reach the buttons. ;)

I don't think he does, he says the buttons are difficult for him to reach ... then he makes a weak excuse that it's his fingers.
He actually makes this comment twice, during the review process AND at the conclusion, which is surely a 'summing up', things to take away from the review.

he looks to have normal sized hands.

My thoughts too.
 
Well just caught up on all the posts since last night while watching a few videos about the cameras. :eek:

First off, my prediction, from measuring the pics in Photoshop of a 56mm lens mount was was 1mm out. :) It's 55mm.

I think in one vid the chap said the flange distance was 16mm if no one as mentioned it. I think someone asked on one of the previous pages.

So, as has been said, the one card slot is a huge mistake. :rolleyes: And to make that a format which people may not already have is compounding the mistake imho. :banghead: Some of the Nikon dual slot cameras have gone XQD and SD, and this manages the card transition for some. Looking at the battery they have used, the EN-EL15b, being put into the camera in one of the vids I'm not sure there is space for another card slot, be that XQD or SD. :eek: Those holding out for extra slots in future models may be disappointed if the keep this battery, which seems very likely as it is a new version of the battery for this camera. Btw, you can't give Sony stick for not having two UHS-II SD slots and not call Nikon out for one slot.

There are apparently going to be four sellers (who makes the cards!) of XQD/CFExpress cards, Sony, Nikon, Delkin and the phoenix Lexar. Whether these will bring prices down is anyone's guess. The Sony v Lexar battle was starting to do this until Lexar backed out of the market. Good that Nikon say they will upgrade the camera to be able to read CFExpress, hopefully something they will do with their DSLR's.

The viewfinder and rear LCD both been getting good reviews.

The chap at B&H said he used the cameras with the adapter with a lot of F mount lenses and they worked as well as on a DSLR, and it all felt solid. He got some very nice Food shots doing it too.

These cameras are the mirrorless versions of the D750 and the D850, and are also direct rivals for the Sony a7III and the a7RIII. For me they have not matched either their own DSLR's or the Sony's in some areas. They may be good enough for a lot of enthusiasts who have been waiting for a Nikon mirrorless to start to make the change, some of whom will by it because it is Nikon regardless. For some, the wait may be seen as a disappointment and they will either stick with their DSLR's, or give up and make the move to mirrorless, more likely Sony.

For Pro's, a lot of whom use the D750 and D8**, the one card slot seems to be a deal breaker for the one off event/situation users, as it it will be for some affluent normal users. It will be hard to know if the one card slot will dent sales in a significant way, because these will sell just because they are Nikon mirrorless. If Nikon feels it didn't ,I doubt there will be a serious attempt to get two card slots into the body, which as I said, looks difficult from the video I watched.
 
But how long ago is it that dual card slots first appeared on a dslr? I've only ever owned one camera with dual card slots and I've never used one of the slots. Maybe I've been lucky.....
I got a Nikon D300S in 2010, and that had been out a year I think, and that had CF and SD card slots, there were other DSLR's with dual slots before that. As an aside my first digital camera, Fuji S602Z Pro, also had two card slots, this time CF and Smart Media. :LOL:

Just because a feature is not important to you, doesn't mean it is not important to others. For most mid to high level/price cameras from Canon, Nikon and Sony, dual cards have been the standard, and these cameras don't meet the standard on that particular point.

Memory cards can go wrong, I've had a few, and I know others who have had things go wrong too. Now I didn't lose anything important, but then no one was paying me and it wasn't something I couldn't do again, ;) some people aren't comfortable being in that situation, especially of their livelihood may depend on it. The higher end bodies have two card slots because they are used by Pro's, but also 'normal' people more often, and so are using the cards for more write/rewrite/erase/format actions than most users, so these are more likely to encounter card problems, rare though they may. They may also be pushing the cameras/cards to extremes for burst rates too, which again makes it more likely that they will encounter card problems more often that the average user. Having the option to write to both cards is a level of safety that once it is in your workflow may make it hard to go back to one slot for a lot of people. For anyone who likes what Nikon have announced, want one or more, and for who the single card slot is not a problem, Nikon are awaiting your order. ;)
 
Just seen a pic of the bottom of the camera, and there are no covered connections as there are on some Nikon DSLR's, which may mean that any grip will have to use that cameras battery box as some Canon grips do. Which makes the claimed 1.8x increase in power with a grip with two batteries make a bit more sense. Why you would not get 100% increase in power by using two batteries instead of one is anybody's guess. :thinking: :LOL:
 
At the very end he reviews his thought that there isn't enough room for his fingers to reach Fn1 & Fn2.

eitehr way he couldnt reach them and he looks to have normal sized hands.

I can only think of one new camera from the major manufacturers that hasn't been slagged off here and elsewhere on first release. Over a period of time users get used to the percieved limitations and appreciate the positives.

But I'm not a gear freak so I may have missed something.......;)

I don't think he does, he says the buttons are difficult for him to reach ... then he makes a weak excuse that it's his fingers.
He actually makes this comment twice, during the review process AND at the conclusion, which is surely a 'summing up', things to take away from the review.



My thoughts too.
My concern is the room between the grip and lens as that’s what I have issues with on the Sonys, reaching those buttons won’t be an issue for me, not that I use the front Fn buttons on my D850 anyway ;)
 
Maybe i should have rewarded it and say that these are negetives found so far from the previews.

I myself pay close attention to negetivees of a product rather then its benefits. Why? because if there is a game breaking negetive then i dont care if there is a positive that uber cool yet one deal breaker there!

Whats wrong with showing what the negetives are?no camera is perfect i can pick out the negetives of the sony if u want ?
Lol do they include poor colour rendition.
FOr the A9

  1. No Picture profile for video
  2. 5fps Mechanical shutter only
  3. no anti flicker
  4. no touch screen through menu's
  5. no usb c
  6. No class leading weather sealing
you missed out crap skin tone rendition :exit:
 
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