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Nikon mirrorless definitely on the way
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As soon as global shutters are made then yes I agree. I still think it's odd/poor that a so called flagship sports cam is crippled by it's mechanical shutter though. I understand that Sony are innovating, and what they've achieved is mighty impressive. BUT it's not quite there yet so why cripple it? As I said, it's made worse by the fact that the A7Riii and A7iii are better in this regard. And yes, I get that for the most part you can get away with using the electronic shutter, but I still think they should have considered the times that you need a mechanical shutter and given it one that is decent. If they'd done this I think it would be pretty hard to fault the A9 tbh. Well, apart from Sony colours of course
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As soon as global shutters are made then yes I agree. I still think it's odd/poor that a so called flagship sports cam is crippled by it's mechanical shutter though. I understand that Sony are innovating, and what they've achieved is mighty impressive. BUT it's not quite there yet so why cripple it? As I said, it's made worse by the fact that the A7Riii and A7iii are better in this regard. And yes, I get that for the most part you can get away with using the electronic shutter, but I still think they should have considered the times that you need a mechanical shutter and given it one that is decent. If they'd done this I think it would be pretty hard to fault the A9 tbh. Well, apart from Sony colours of course
I agree but for some including myself, we exclusively shoot in silent shutter mode.
It would have been nice if Sony put in their 10fps mechanical shutter in the Sony A9 but that came after the A9 was finalized. So Sony didnt intentionally cripple it.
Its just forward progress in the newer bodies.
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If they'd done this I think it would be pretty hard to fault the A9 tbh. Well, apart from Sony colours of course
What's wrong with Sony colours?
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Are they the people that need mirrorless though? Landscapers don't need silent shooting, high fps nor light bodies. They want IQ and don't care if the camera is big and slow. Portrait shooters will see little advantage too as they have time to nail exposures etc.
Mirrorless are for people who want fast silent shooting. Those who work for 12 hours a day carrying multiple bodies. People who travel and want to save weight. Battery life and two cards are a must for many of them.
If I still shot nikon I'd see little advantage over the d750 and a lot of disadvantages.
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Landscape toggers do need lighter gear as many hike to the place to shoot. Every weight counts
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It does but then in the real world the weight difference between say my EM1 with 12-40mm and D850 and 18-35mm is insignificant compared to my tripod
200g or so doesn't make much difference when you've got a rucksack that by itself will weigh 1-2kg, a tripod weighing 2kg plus, filters and holder, spare battery, etc etc. If I was carrying a camera only then it would definitely be more of a consideration 
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I didn't realise that the Riii came out that much later tbh, but just seen that it was 5-6 months after the A9.
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I honestly don’t know what to do now A7 series has crap weather sealing and A9 has crap dynamic range
Same here, I was all set to press the buy now button but only having 1 card slot is a little surprising.
I'll be honest I don't use 2 slots a lot as a backup but I do for important stuff or even a way or separating photo from video.
I'm not sure about the looks, it's not the prettiest but then again neither are the Sony cameras and this would at least feel better I guess. Also the lenses don't look very Premium and I really don't like having to use an adaptor.
I'd like to try a Sony but I have a lot of concerns about weather sealing, I just don't think I'd be comfortable using it in some of the conditions I've used the Nikons. Also the lack of in camera Timelapse is annoying as it's something I've got used to having.
So not sure what to do, maybe just keep with my D850 setup as it is an amazing camera, but I was hoping to get some weight saving from the new camera while maintaining all of the features..
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I guess there aren't any stats, but I'd be amazed if the percentage of card failures with entirely unsalvageable images is even negligible. I've heard of more wedding photographers having their gear stolen before backing up than I ever have for proper failures. Shoot 32GB cards and change regularly (as many do with a7RIIs and various other cameras that only have one slot) and you're still infinitely safer than in the film days or so on.
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I suppose it depends where you go and in what weather. I've used my lowly first generation A7 in the cold, snow, wind and rain of northern England and changed lenses in blizzards on the beach with no issues. It's worked perfectly in the heat and humidity of Thailand too. If it was hit by a wave on the beach or stood in a puddle it'd maybe be lucky to survive though.
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I only shoot landscapes but backup to the second card slot.
Life is far too short to miss out on an epic sunrise / sunset or any other great picture because a card fails. I have had a Lexar SD fail on me in the past and learned my lesson.
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the card one is frustrating really because on most modern camera bodies over a certain price band they are a standard feature, it will turn a lot of pros away i would think. It's not even the failure rate of cards it is the fact that since dual cards became mainstream the positives are there for all to see, if you are shooting a wedding the last thing you want is to lose photos because of a memory card no matter how much you swap smaller cards throughout the day.
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Any idea how easy it is to salvage data from a damaged/corrupt xqd card?
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Like I said a few pages ago, it’s all about progress, things move on, these days all pro-bodies have dual card slots now. It is an expected and necessary feature, and one that is deemed vital for a professional body. Standards improve, expectations improved, the bar gets set higher every generation and somethings are a must, when you miss the bar you miss the bar, the excuse should never be “well, we’ve got on fine before”.
If that is the excuse given then what are we doing here and what are we doing looking at new gear? We’ve all got on fine before, nothing to see here, let’s go back and shoot with our Leica M1.
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If Nikon were competing with the Sony A7R II, th
Data loss is stress..... I work in SAN Storage!!
Might be quick and easy to salvage data, but up until that point most would be dealing the stress, wet underpants thinking they are gone forever and that you'll be sued by the wedding couple! lol
Data loss is stress..... I work in SAN Storage!!
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I must admit, it's a major concern for me when I go on holiday as my EM1 only have one card slot. I backup the card every day onto an external device, but I'd cry if I lost my holiday memories. My next travel camera will certainly have 2 card slots.
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Yep, 8fps is adequate for most things
IBIS isn't lens dependant.
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Yes i knew that
but i thought i had read Nikon had found a way of restricting how and when it would work, obviously not though.
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I wouldn't expect any issues with snow etc as it's dry, it's the rain the bothers me. I guess a lot of my photography is in south or north wales where it rains a lot!! I do a few trips to Iceland etc and have been comfortable using my Nikon under waterfalls etc, something that would probably kill a Sony based on some of the tests I've seen. I guess you could be careful and use rain covers etc but they are a pain, I much prefer a shower cap over the lens between shots and not worry about the camera.
So it really is a choice weather sealing or 2 card slots, both choices are not a good one to make.
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Bucking the trend slightly, but I really like the cameras, precisely what I had hoped for from Nikon - Assuming the IQ is on par.
But the glass offering is a let- down, it would appear that just like Sony they have simply adapted existing designs into longer housings.
So for now, I am out.
But the glass offering is a let- down, it would appear that just like Sony they have simply adapted existing designs into longer housings.
So for now, I am out.
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The 5D have had dual card since mk3 which is like 7 or 8 years ago? Fuji XT-2/X-Pro 2 have dual cards too. A brand new body at the top end of their line up should not be missing this feature.
At least FroKnowwhatever guy agrees with many of us….makes me feel somewhat dirty for saying that.
At least FroKnowwhatever guy agrees with many of us….makes me feel somewhat dirty for saying that.
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And great as Ross is, he’s definitely not ‘the most famous’ and I’m sure he wouldn’t be hurt by that.
We may all have our own favourites, but I’d say ‘the most famous uk wedding photographer’ is a canon shooter.
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Jeff Ascough?
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Joining the meh! club. Single card shop is a no go for me. I would like a play with the 58mm f/0.95 S Noct. The 58/1.4 was my most used lens until I sold up all my costly kit and went low rent and I've never found manual focus a problem on mirrorless bodies. It's bound to be silly money though.
Are they? AFAIK none of the e mount lenses are A mount design. Sigma arts being the exception.
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Snow, dry? It's maybe not as initially wet as rain but it still has a moisture content
From what I've read one weak area with the Sony's is the bottom of the camera so if it's stood in water you'd expect problems. I've never had a weather sealed camera but that hasn't stopped me using my cameras anywhere and everywhere without a weather related failure to date, touch wood etc. and if there's a deluge hitting the camera I'd expect the user to try and cover it somehow if only to be able to take pictures without water / snow on the front of the lens being a major issue. That's been my experience with shots spoilt by what's on the front of the lens from second to second rather than actual equipment failure.
I'm sure there's a need for weather sealing and maybe I've just been very lucky but I do suspect that at times we worry a little too much. Maybe. YMMV.
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The problem with that lens is manual focus, the keep rate will be very low at 0.95.
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Didn't find that to be the case with A7s+ Mitakon 50/0.95. Wasn't 100% but was never a problem. Mind you, my standards aren't very high.
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If you look at the back of the 28-70 kit lens for the A7 line there is a great deal of unused space that the elements don't move around in, this suggests to me that all they have done is space out an existing glass design.
Nikon Appear to have done something similar.
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Have a look at the sigma art extension (dslr design) Vs the native e mounts. The lenses are different design and have different motors.
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If the subject is still and you have the time to focus the keeper rate should be near 100% as you'll probably be focusing with a greatly magnified view and will be able to rock back and forth and see the best result before you take the shot.
It'll not be a lens to use at f0.95 for action photography though.
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Main takers from that are:
1. af not as good as the d850 for 3d tracking
2. Log profiles only work with an external recorder
3. doesnt stop down wide open to shoot in low light but only at f5.6
4. The amount of distance of your fingers to the lens is around the same as it is in the sony so if you have fat fingers it looks like you will have same issue as the sony
5. the custom buttons on the side of the lens mount are hard to get to.
6. selecting af points for tracking through the EVF requires an extra step, ie first move the af point and then press ok/confirm and then focus hold and track...
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Sony already have a f0.95 manual focux 50mm lens and its god like apparently http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2017/04/27/first-look-the-myer-optik-nocturnus-ii-50-0-95-stunning/ and comes in E mount
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Not that cool when there’s only currently Sony supplying XQD cards.
One card slot????? EPIC fail
Has Nikon done a deal with Sony on XQD? Just a guess, but that's the only explanation which makes sense to me.
XQD is Sony's baby, and they'll make a load of money if it's widely adopted. Maybe it was along the lines of "if you want our sensors then it's gotta be XQD memory cards only."
Edit: and since they're quite bulky, that maybe ruled out dual card slots?
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At wider apertures peaking could be good enough as although the dof is next to nothing next to nothing will be peaking meaning it might get you there. Shooting at f8 with peaking though and everything will be peaking.
I've not had any problem focusing at f1.2 with my Sony and didn't have any problems at f0.95 with mft. The key is that you need the time to focus.