Nikon mirrorless definitely on the way

[gad-westy]

Cost will certainly stop me adopting tbh. I didn't particularly like using a 2x TC on the 70-200mm f2.8 mounted to the D750 so I would guess using the adapter will have a similar feel. Obviously it shifts the weight forward which isn't a good thing imo.

I think the issue I have with the adaptor is that I really hate changing lenses at the best of times and the thought of having a collection of lenses where some would require an adaptor and some wouldn't so you're not only switching lenses but switching which the lens the adaptor is fitted to etc., Arggggh! I could picture a scenario where I had say a Z 24-70 and a Z 35mm and only used an adaptor on a fast wide prime and on a 70-200 but even that sounds a little bit clumsy and as you say a 70-200 is already long enough. Anyway, these things always have to start somewhere and now is definitely the right time to move away from F-mount so I'm not moaning, really just looking for how I could make use of it.

 

[Phil V]

What if Bridezilla demands it?

I'm glad i don't do weddings tbh

The reason you don’t do weddings because you’ve allowed bridezilla to get all the way to after wedding breakfast and still making demands.

Those of us that do shoot weddings usually spotted bridezilla and didn’t book her, but if she did slip through and get booked, there’s no way we’d still be having drama by the wedding day, - nipped in the bud, that’s what we get paid for.

This is the perfect thread to be discussing ‘the customer is always right’

Look at some of the idiotic views of potential customers for this camera, how could Nikon please everyone?

 

[Phil V]

I've probably been to more weddings than you, not that it matters,

Come on, get a grip, you must have the busiest social life in Ireland.

If you take Dave’s 33 weddings so far this year and do a simple 10 years, that’s over 300, are you honestly suggesting...

And you and Dave may not know, but I remember Dennis Reggie being the ‘name’ in wedding photography back in the 90’s, for Yanks and the few Brits who aimed for that specific look.

It’s a million miles from how any of us work though... that’s me you Dave and Raymond.

On the record, in 30 years I’ve used OCF for groups at a wedding once.

 

[snerkler]

You mean Sony don't have 14bit lossless?

Not that I’m aware of.

 

[snerkler]

A what?

I have one on the EM1 and the icon is the same. Allows you to turn auto EVF/lcd swapping with eye proximity.

 

[redhed17]

If the specs on the previous page are correct, then the number of focus points is a disappointment compared to the Sony's, as is also not having the same AF in both cameras.

 

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

Not that I’m aware of.

Just about to order A9 but won't now then

 

[Raymond Lin]

If the specs on the previous page are correct, then the number of focus points is a disappointment compared to the Sony's, as is also not having the same AF in both cameras.

Nikon buy the sensor but develops everything else it seems.

They are behind in the current DSLR live view mode so I wouldn’t expect them to match Sony’s by a long shot.

 

[snerkler]

If the specs on the previous page are correct, then the number of focus points is a disappointment compared to the Sony's, as is also not having the same AF in both cameras.

Depends how good it is, and what the spread is like. I have no issue with the tracking ability of my D850, and I know D5 users are more than happy with the tracking ability of the D5 yet they 'only' have 153 AF points Yes the AF spread 'should' be larger on the mirrorless but if the AF 'density' is similar to the D5 it's not an issue. It's performance that matters not numbers .

 

[snerkler]

Just about to order A9 but won't now then

 

[snerkler]

A what?

I have one on the EM1 and the icon is the same. Allows you to turn auto EVF/lcd swapping with eye proximity.

Here's the pic I was talking about


And here's the over complicated explanation in the Olympus manual



Basically if you turn off auto EVF switching you can manually change from EVF to Liveview using this button

 

[redhed17]

There's a pic of one next to the D850 on Nikon Rumors, and the camera obviously looks smaller but the Z mount makes the D850's look tiny.

Also, this seems to be the first view I have seen of the grip side of the body, and the opening for memory cards seems quite small. Not sure about XQD fitting, or eve two SD cards.

 

[redhed17]

Depends how good it is, and what the spread is like. I have no issue with the tracking ability of my D850, and I know D5 users are more than happy with the tracking ability of the D5 yet they 'only' have 153 AF points Yes the AF spread 'should' be larger on the mirrorless but if the AF 'density' is similar to the D5 it's not an issue. It's performance that matters not numbers .

Of course it is, but the new a7's eye AF works so well, apart from the processing power, is that the AF points cover a lot of the frame and so can follow the eye as it moves in the frame. It is no big jumps from from one AF point to the next. All will start to become clearer tomorrow.

 

[gad-westy]

If the specs on the previous page are correct, then the number of focus points is a disappointment compared to the Sony's, as is also not having the same AF in both cameras.

Genuine question, having only really had typical DSLR's with up to 50 odd focus points, how important is the actual number of focus points vs. coverage?

I only ask because even with a joy stick I find maneuvering around the screen a pain sometimes and sort of assumed ideal would be fewer points but getting right into the corners.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Here's the pic I was talking about
View attachment 132877

And here's the over complicated explanation in the Olympus manual
View attachment 132878


Basically if you turn off auto EVF switching you can manually change from EVF to Liveview using this button

You can assign any button for a similar function on the A73, I end up ditching it and leaving it to auto. This is more useful for someone who use video and then have a cage and gimbal.

 

[GreenNinja67]

Genuine question, having had typical DSLR's with up to 50 odd focus points, now important is the actual number of focus points vs. coverage?

I only ask because even with a joy stick I find maneuvering around the screen a pain sometimes and sort of assumed ideal would be fewer points but getting right into the corners.

My Canon 6D had 1 really useable focus point and I managed to take some good images.

Do you really need all these focus points or is it the digital version of willy waving?


Discuss

 

[snerkler]

There's a pic of one next to the D850 on Nikon Rumors, and the camera obviously looks smaller but the Z mount makes the D850's look tiny.

Also, this seems to be the first view I have seen of the grip side of the body, and the opening for memory cards seems quite small. Not sure about XQD fitting, or eve two SD cards.

Not looked that close tbh, it would be criminal if they don't have dual card slot In fact it would be a deal breaker. If you look at the pics with the lens attached there doesn't look to be 'that' much room between grip and lens either

Of course it is, but the new a7's eye AF works so well, apart from the processing power, is that the AF points cover a lot of the frame and so can follow the eye as it moves in the frame. It is no big jumps from from one AF point to the next. All will start to become clearer tomorrow.

Well this is the D500's viewfinder with 153 points


Can you imagine a wider spread top to bottom and another 120 AF points? Not exactly too spread out are they?

This is Sony's though, very impressive to say the least. Is it overkill though, are we getting blinded by numbers again?

 

[snerkler]

Genuine question, having only really had typical DSLR's with up to 50 odd focus points, how important is the actual number of focus points vs. coverage?

I only ask because even with a joy stick I find maneuvering around the screen a pain sometimes and sort of assumed ideal would be fewer points but getting right into the corners.

I'm hoping they do something like the D850 tbh. On that it has 153 AF points but only 50 odd selectable. I'd hate to have to scroll across hundreds of AF points

You can assign any button for a similar function on the A73, I end up ditching it and leaving it to auto. This is more useful for someone who use video and then have a cage and gimbal.

Me too. I did have it on manual for a while to save battery as I tried leaving it on rather than turning the camera on and off again, but I didn't find the EVF saved much more power than the LCD tbh.

 

[chris malcolm]

I'm hoping they do something like the D850 tbh. On that it has 153 AF points but only 50 odd selectable. I'd hate to have to scroll across hundreds of AF points

Me too. I did have it on manual for a while to save battery as I tried leaving it on rather than turning the camera on and off again, but I didn't find the EVF saved much more power than the LCD tbh.

Not looked that close tbh, it would be criminal if they don't have dual card slot In fact it would be a deal breaker. If you look at the pics with the lens attached there doesn't look to be 'that' much room between grip and lens either


Well this is the D500's viewfinder with 153 points
View attachment 132879

Can you imagine a wider spread top to bottom and another 120 AF points? Not exactly too spread out are they?

This is Sony's though, very impressive to say the least. Is it overkill though, are we getting blinded by numbers again?
View attachment 132880

One of the virtues of having lots of widely spread focus points is being able to track focus on something moving around in the image -- such as the recognised bride's face in wedding photography.

 

[redhed17]

Genuine question, having only really had typical DSLR's with up to 50 odd focus points, how important is the actual number of focus points vs. coverage?

I only ask because even with a joy stick I find maneuvering around the screen a pain sometimes and sort of assumed ideal would be fewer points but getting right into the corners.

Have you seen the eye AF work in the Sony's? Not saying Nikon's will have the same option, but more AF points are generally better as once locked on the can better track the subject as it may move from one AF point to the next. I hardly take any portrait pics but I can see what great tech it could be for those that do.

This obviously an advert, but gives a good idea of what is possible with the Sony AF. Here's hoping Nikon get close to that.

 

[gad-westy]

One of the virtues of having lots of widely spread focus points is being able to track focus on something moving around in the image -- such as the recognised bride's face in wedding photography.

Do you need to scroll through all of them if you want to move AF point manually or can they be grouped so you moved a few at a time? Or does the AF point move fast enough it doesn't matter?

 

[twist]

I'm hoping they do something like the D850 tbh. On that it has 153 AF points but only 50 odd selectable. I'd hate to have to scroll across hundreds of AF points

Me too. I did have it on manual for a while to save battery as I tried leaving it on rather than turning the camera on and off again, but I didn't find the EVF saved much more power than the LCD tbh.

True, who needs more than one af point or 12 MP, those pesky numbers.

 

[Ed Sutton]

Here's the pic I was talking about
View attachment 132877

And here's the over complicated explanation in the Olympus manual
View attachment 132878


Basically if you turn off auto EVF switching you can manually change from EVF to Liveview using this button

Gotcha.

Maybe one of the (front) buttons will be programmable to do what you want?

Why I'm looking at this camera, pretty as it is, I don't know as I doubt there'll be a Z-mount 28-300 lens in the near future.

 

[gad-westy]

Have you seen the eye AF work in the Sony's? Not saying Nikon's will have the same option, but more AF points are generally better as once locked on the can better track the subject as it may move from one AF point to the next. I hardly take any portrait pics but I can see what great tech it could be for those that do.

This obviously an advert, but gives a good idea of what is possible with the Sony AF. Here's hoping Nikon get close to that.

Yep, I can see why the coverage aspect is important and sounds like it works brilliantly. I just wondered if it's ever a hindrance having so many points to move through.

 

[snerkler]

One of the virtues of having lots of widely spread focus points is being able to track focus on something moving around in the image -- such as the recognised bride's face in wedding photography.

Yeah I get that, and that’s one of the advantages crop sensor and mirrorless have over FF. But my question is how many do we actually need? Clearly the 153 on the D5 don’t fill the frame so more is needed for mirrorless, but do we need 600+ ?

 

[snerkler]

Gotcha.

Maybe one of the (front) buttons will be programmable to do what you want?

Why I'm looking at this camera, pretty as it is, I don't know as I doubt there'll be a Z-mount 28-300 lens in the near future.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Discuss[/QUOTE]

I'm hoping they do something like the D850 tbh. On that it has 153 AF points but only 50 odd selectable. I'd hate to have to scroll across hundreds of AF points

Me too. I did have it on manual for a while to save battery as I tried leaving it on rather than turning the camera on and off again, but I didn't find the EVF saved much more power than the LCD tbh.

I read somewhere that the LCD uses less power, it has less pixels.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Yep, I can see why the coverage aspect is important and sounds like it works brilliantly. I just wondered if it's ever a hindrance having so many points to move through.

It does because Sony only let you control 1 axis at a time, not both.....unless I am wrong!

 

[redhed17]

Yeah I get that, and that’s one of the advantages crop sensor and mirrorless have over FF. But my question is how many do we actually need? Clearly the 153 on the D5 don’t fill the frame so more is needed for mirrorless, but do we need 600+ ?

If they all work as well as, or better than the 153, why wouldn't you want more? There is a reason the Nikon AF went from 7-11-39-51-153, more are better to track a subject.

As for scrolling loads of AF points, you could, but then you may also be able to tap the touchscreen with your thumb if done right.

 

[redhed17]

Possible UK pricing from NR.

British pricing: body:£3399, lens kit:£3499, 24-70mm kit:£3999, 24-70mm + FTZ:£4099

Read more @ Nikon Rumors

 

[twist]

Possible UK pricing from NR.

British pricing: body:£3399, lens kit:£3499, 24-70mm kit:£3999, 24-70mm + FTZ:£4099

Read more @ Nikon Rumors

Kit price is good, but what's the other kit lens, I thought it was only 2470 f4

 

[JJ!]

Possible UK pricing from NR.

British pricing: body:£3399, lens kit:£3499, 24-70mm kit:£3999, 24-70mm + FTZ:£4099

Read more @ Nikon Rumors

I’m out.

 

[decigallen]

You don't live in Ireland, clearly. Obviously I meant indoors, over here the meal is rarely done by 6pm and outside of the summer it'll be pretty dark, probably raining. Nothing "daft" about it, for someone who supposedly teaches photography your reaction to simple suggestions is pretty poor. Do you talk to your students like that? I'm not a wedding photographer btw, nor do I know-it-all, but have seen wedding photographers do just this.



Like I say, do a bunch of weddings over here in winter and you'll end up doing it a lot more I'd bet. And would it be "daft" - no.

I'm in Ireland (the dreary old north). I shoot weddings all year. And as someone else said, OCF is a last resort for me.

 

[redhed17]

I’m out.

I was never in.

Oh, and it says XQD card, but not whether one or two.

 

[twist]

So the body only option is 500 or 600 more than a7riii.... If you sell the rotolight for 100.

 

[imattersuk]

That's killed that then....ridiculous price, i'd want a hybrid Sony PS4 / Fuji kaleidoscope for that price

 

[JJ!]

Possible UK pricing from NR.

British pricing: body:£3399, lens kit:£3499, 24-70mm kit:£3999, 24-70mm + FTZ:£4099

Read more @ Nikon Rumors

Well those prices will just have Sony laughing for sure??? Body £1400 more than the A7iii? If prices are correct they are missing a huge part of the market?

Maybe it’s Nikon’s way of ensuring it still gets sales from D750 etc.

 

[markyboy.1967]

How many FPS in silent mode.

 

[jerry12953]

Kit price is good, but what's the other kit lens, I thought it was only 2470 f4

Kit price = body + adaptor????

 

[architectfadi]

Is this price for the Z7? If so then the Z6 will be cheaper but how would it compare to the A7iii?