Nikon mirrorless definitely on the way

snerkler said:
I thought I’d seen a pic of the top/rear dial with the exp settings on it tbh, but it’s all guesswork until it comes out ;)
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The pic with that model holding it didn't have the detail to see but again what else could those two buttons be near the shutter button but a video Rec button and exposure comp? can't be a mode button as the camera has a mode dial like a D750.

Sticking the dial ontop might just be a space saving measure to give more room for the grip on the back.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
Sorry
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I'm probably not the best to show off the merits of IBIS on an Olympus body, or any other for that matter, my hands are not very steady. All I know is it allows me to take photos I wouldn't normally have been ablate take. And no I don't mean a water bottle :).
 
Tattooed Monkey is bang on this time I think


Pretty clear when you think on it, Sony A - Nikon Z, 6,7 series
 
Cagey75 said:
Tattooed Monkey is bang on this time I think
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Pretty clear when you think on it, Sony A - Nikon Z, 6,7 series
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Long time since i watched this fool but ime pleased to see he has maintained his low standard, i do like the way he finds 6 ways to say the same nothing just to pad it out.;)
 
mikew said:
Long time since i watched this fool but ime pleased to see he has maintained his low standard, i do like the way he finds 6 ways to say the same nothing just to pad it out.;)
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He's not wrong though. And as right as you are, he's still nowhere near Jared Polin or the Northrups in annoyance level

Why did nobody else see this very simple sly by Nikon? It took him to tell you, 6 different ways :D
 
I always kind of assumed he playing up a Wallace Shawn like character to get interest, I keep expecting him to shout "inconceivable!" as in Princess Bride.
 
mikew said:
Long time since i watched this fool but ime pleased to see he has maintained his low standard, i do like the way he finds 6 ways to say the same nothing just to pad it out.;)
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For those of us pretending to work in an office what is the point he is trying to make?
 
gad-westy said:
For those of us pretending to work in an office what is the point he is trying to make?
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He's saying Nikon's naming system for this new breed of mirrorless is a swipe at Sony. The 'Alpha' range by Sony uses 'A'6 for it's lower cost/APSC bodies and A7 for the FF, higher end line. Nikon are blatantly and directly targeting Sony with this new line, by using 'Z' [Omega?] - the opposite end, then taking their 6 and 7 for a lower price and higher priced model
 
Cagey75 said:
He's saying Nikon's naming system for this new breed of mirrorless is a swipe at Sony. The 'Alpha' range by Sony uses 'A'6 for it's lower cost/APSC bodies and A7 for the FF, higher end line. Nikon are blatantly and directly targeting Sony with this new line, by using 'Z' [Omega?] - the opposite end, then taking their 6 and 7 for a lower price and higher priced model
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I see. Not sure you could call that a swipe could you? If there's any basis in it at all you'd think it was a compliment.
 
gad-westy said:
I see. Not sure you could call that a swipe could you? If there's any basis in it at all you'd think it was a compliment.
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It wouldn't surprise me, I mean why else 'Z' and specifically 6 and 7? It wouldn't be complimentary, it's like they're saying you started it, but we'll finish! Also Sony have already said they are prepared for anything Nikon and Canon are about to announce, so it's a bit of a war ahead perhaps
 
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Cagey75 said:
He's saying Nikon's naming system for this new breed of mirrorless is a swipe at Sony. The 'Alpha' range by Sony uses 'A'6 for it's lower cost/APSC bodies and A7 for the FF, higher end line. Nikon are blatantly and directly targeting Sony with this new line, by using 'Z' [Omega?] - the opposite end, then taking their 6 and 7 for a lower price and higher priced model
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That's ridiculous, they wouldn't name their companies main future line as a dig at Sony, even if we pretend they did they were already using a letter further in the alphabet (D!) and if they were using the Greek alphabet it's Ω not Z, that they didn't use that symbol makes it pretty clear it's not about Sony.

I think the most likely explanation is they're using Z to clearly differentiate it from the rest of their range and from their competitors, that's not to say the argument that they picked Z because they're late to the party but they have something newer and better is wrong but if so it's against every other brand not just Sony. Don't forget, Canon is their biggest competitor not Sony.
 
simonbarker said:
That's ridiculous, they wouldn't name their companies main future line as a dig at Sony, even if we pretend they did they were already using a letter further in the alphabet (D!) and if they were using the Greek alphabet it's Ω not Z, that they didn't use that symbol makes it pretty clear it's not about Sony.

I think the most likely explanation is they're using Z to clearly differentiate it from the rest of their range and from their competitors, that's not to say the argument that they picked Z because they're late to the party but they have something newer and better is wrong but if so it's against every other brand not just Sony. Don't forget, Canon is their biggest competitor not Sony.
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It's more a bit of fun speculating, i like to think they are having a go, healthy competition is better for us consumers. It is true that Sony have stated they are awaiting the releases from the others before announcing what they have in store to trounce them, that is fighting talk whatever way you like to swing it.
 
Cagey75 said:
It wouldn't surprise me, I mean why else 'Z' and specifically 6 and 7? It wouldn't be complimentary, it's like they're saying you started it, but we'll finish! Also Sony have already said they are prepared for anything Nikon and Canon are about to announce, so it's a bit of a war ahead perhaps
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Honestly I find this stuff all a bit sensationalist. They're companies competing in the same market and have been for a while. The reason I say a compliment is that in the past Sony have had to work very hard to offer something different to the big two in order to get any market. Canon and Nikon have largely done nothing to compete and carried on their merry way doing things the way they always have. *If* they're now aping Sony, then I'd suggest that is testament to how well Sony are now doing in this market.
 
When the digital SLR's came out both Canon and Nikon opted for the D to denote their digital models, Canon having 'something' D and Nikon D 'something'. This time it is not as clear as digital or not, is it 'mirrorless', 'compact system camera', Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens' etc. Sony have only been digital, and chose alpha (a) as their model prefix. Canon have got in first to take the 'M' for their mirrorless, so Nikon can't use that, so something else had to be chosen, and I can't think of a better letter to choose than 'Z'. That it is as far from A for alpha is a happy coincidence imho.

It's only about a week or so to go now to the big reveal isn't it. :) Should be interesting.
 
gad-westy said:
Honestly I find this stuff all a bit sensationalist. They're companies competing in the same market and have been for a while. The reason I say a compliment is that in the past Sony have had to work very hard to offer something different to the big two in order to get any market. Canon and Nikon have largely done nothing to compete and carried on their merry way doing things the way they always have. *If* they're now aping Sony, then I'd suggest that is testament to how well Sony are now doing in this market.
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You only have to read my previous posts in this thread to see that I tend to agree. Nikon with silly sneak pics, as if we're little kids awaiting Christmas, like just show the ruddy thing already! But I like a good bitch fight, bit of drama, let them at it!
 
redhed17 said:
When the digital SLR's came out both Canon and Nikon opted for the D to denote their digital models, Canon having 'something' D and Nikon D 'something'. This time it is not as clear as digital or not, is it 'mirrorless', 'compact system camera', Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens' etc. Sony have only been digital, and chose alpha (a) as their model prefix. Canon have got in first to take the 'M' for their mirrorless, so Nikon can't use that, so something else had to be chosen, and I can't think of a better letter to choose than 'Z'. That it is as far from A for alpha is a happy coincidence imho.

It's only about a week or so to go now to the big reveal isn't it. :) Should be interesting.
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Why specifically Z6 and Z7 though? plenty of other numbers :D
 
Cagey75 said:
You only have to read my previous posts in this thread to see that I tend to agree. Nikon with silly sneak pics, as if we're little kids awaiting Christmas, like just show the ruddy thing already! But I like a good bitch fight, bit of drama, let them at it!
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Yes, I've read it all and I don't love the modern marketing methods turning everything into a soap opera either.

I don't know what has actually officially been said by any of the companies (have nikon actually announced the names?) but if you were Sony, and watching Nikon trying to stir up a froth of excitement over their latest product, you'd definitely want to tell the world you have something splendid in the pipeline too. You don't have to commit to what that is or when it is but for the cost of more or less £zero you might encourage a few existing customers or potential customers not to get too side tracked by what Nikon are up to. It's all so basic and childish but such is the way of modern consumerism.
 
Could they not just have used N-Mount (Nikon-Mount)?

Tbh I couldn’t give a hoots what they call it, all I want to know is if it will be any good or not. The lack of rear command dial from the mock ups is worrying, I’m sure they’re not daft enough to omit this though :eek:
 
snerkler said:
Could they not just have used N-Mount (Nikon-Mount)?

Tbh I couldn’t give a hoots what they call it, all I want to know is if it will be any good or not. The lack of rear command dial from the mock ups is worrying, I’m sure they’re not daft enough to omit this though :eek:
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You’ve said that 3 times now :sneaky:
 
They should have called it THE Mount :D Z sounds like some crap zombie movie
 
f0.95 lenses are almost certainly going to make Sony GM's seem cheap.
 
Dunno what that would put the body price at. Blinged Leica level maybe.
 
woof woof said:
f0.95 lenses are almost certainly going to make Sony GM's seem cheap.
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Suspect you're right there. Don't know what the RRP is but a 58mm 1.4 is currently £1400 on Amazon. F/1 equivalnet
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f0.95 lenses are almost certainly going to make Sony GM's seem cheap.
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£1400 for a 58mm 1.4 at present and I think that is less than RRP. Any bets on an F/1 equivalent?
 
well wasn't rumour saying the cheap body is around $3000. Its already out of my price range :(
 
gad-westy said:
Suspect you're right there. Don't know what the RRP is but a 58mm 1.4 is currently £1400 on Amazon. F/1 equivalent

£1400 for a 58mm 1.4 at present and I think that is less than RRP. Any bets on an F/1 equivalent?
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nandbytes said:
well wasn't rumour saying the cheap body is around $3000. Its already out of my price range :(
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Another thing is the size of any good modern 58mm f0.95. The top end modern 50mm f1.4's have tended to be big, Sigma Art, Sony GM etc and unless Nikon are using Voodoo or going for oldie worldie Rokkor era levels of performance and look, which I can't see them doing as they'd be well and truly lambasted by all but the hard core fanboys, I can't see how this is going to be a remotely compact lens :D

If they do a well made good modern 58mm f0.95 I'll be amazed if it isn't expensive, big and sell in niche numbers to the faithful only.

I know this has been said before but I'm also a bit phased by all the talk of the new mount being designed for fast lenses as if this is the second coming... because... it'll not be the only or first mirrorless mount capable of taking a f0.95 lens :D
 
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woof woof said:
Another thing is the size of any good modern 58mm f0.95. The top end modern 50mm f1.4's have tended to be big, Sigma Art, Sony GM etc and unless Nikon are using Voodoo or going for oldie worldie Rokkor era levels of performance and look, which I can't see them doing as they'd be well and truly lambasted by all but the hard core fanboys, I can't see how this is going to be a remotely compact lens :D

If they do a well made good modern 58mm f0.95 I'll be amazed if it isn't expensive, big and sell in niche numbers to the faithful only.

I know this has been said before but I'm also a bit phased by all the talk of the new mount being designed for fast lenses as if this is the second coming... because... it'll not be the only or first mirrorless mount capable of taking a f0.95 lens :D
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who is already doing f0.95 with af?
 
addicknchips said:
who is already doing f0.95 with af?
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The excitement has been about the mount enabling the use of fast lenses as if this hasn't been possible before. I haven't seen anyone crowing about Nikon being the first or only to offer a f0.95 AF lens so well spotted, you may have something there and this could be a USP worth shouting about.

Anyway, Googling suggests that people are stepping away from saying this will be a f0.95 and now thinking it'll be a 58mm f1.2... even so I can't see this being compact or cheap, I think it being larger and on the expensive side are better bets :D I have one old MF Minolta 50mm f1.2 and a modern MF Voigtlander 40mm f1.2. I'd describe the Minolta as funky at wide apertures and average for an old 50mm when stopped down and it'd describe the Voigtlander as being a good modern lens with performance I'd expect at f1.2 and good to excellent when stopped down. Neither of these are AF and the one f0.95 I've owned, a Voigtlander 25mm was manual too, dreamy at f0.95 and excellent stopped down a bit.

Thinking about it I do think that an AF 58mm f1.2 is maybe more sensible and more likely than a f0.95, maybe :D
 
twist said:
He never said that, he said that emount is capable of using 0.95 lenses so it's not a huge deal.
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E is not the only CSC mount capable of f0.95, MFT is too, dunno about Leica?
 
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