Nikon High ISO

Some really great pictures here.

Even with a 30D at max ISO of 3200 and an 85mm f/1.8, I can shoot in a room lit by a lamp and get a good exposure and shake free images. I just can not imagine what i'd do with something like a D3s and a fast prime...
 
My wish as well - in fact I'm looking at a new D2Xs at the moment - very tempted - not many around.
 
My wish as well - in fact I'm looking at a new D2Xs at the moment - very tempted - not many around.

Good ones are getting a bit rare, agreed. :)

I was tempted earlier this year to switch back to Canon for the 1D with the 1.3 crop, just to take advantage of the inbetween focal length conversion yu get from that type of sensor. But I've realised that DX is sooooo much more flexible for me because it gives me that long end of lenses that would be out of my budget if I went FX. My Sigma 14mm does the wide end just fine (awesome lens) and the 10.5mm is my ultra-wide for impact shooting.

It is a shame that for DX now we're limited to the D300s (and whatever supercedes it); imagine all those features - and the ones to come that trickle down from the D3 and D700 - in a D2 body? The ergonomics of the D2 body are key to me... gripped D200/300 bodies just don't have the same handling because of the extra height that the add-on grip creates, which in turn means reaching further for main controls.

I'm probably in a tiny minority but for me, the one thing nikon is missing out on is a lens along the lines of the 300mm f/4; a 400mm f/4 or f/5.6 would be sooooo welcome, especially for DX shooters like me who really don't want to use those big super-zooms (80-400mm etc) that have to compromise on overall IQ.

I'll probably get a D700 this year for general magazine work, just to take advantage of the high ISO capabilities and the amount of detail the sensor can capture, but it'll be a cold day in hell before someone prizes my D2x from my hands, simply because of what the 1.5x crop offer at the long end.
 
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I still use my D2Hs for the crop factor but some of the picture libraries won't accept images from cameras with less than 8 mp - hence the interest in a D2Xs at a good price. I have no interest in 'half cameras' like the D300s - and I do NOT want video.
 
I still use my D2Hs for the crop factor but some of the picture libraries won't accept images from cameras with less than 8 mp - hence the interest in a D2Xs at a good price. I have no interest in 'half cameras' like the D300s - and I do NOT want video.

Alas, a sign of the times, isn't it.

I have the firmware update on the D2x, which basically turns it into a D2Xs but without the viewfinder crop (and probably a few other little extras). After a good 18 months or so using it for magazines i have to say that it is as good as we need 90% of the time. High ISO is all that's missing.

One of the journalists has a 5d2 and TBH, the resizing in PP, and the downgrading of quality when it's transferred to print really negate a lot of what those hefty sensors can provide. For high quality print there's no doubt it'll rock but so far there's nothing it can do that mine can't (aside form high ISO).

The video option on the D300s is intriguing for me because I'm working towards doing featurettes for our websites while doing photo shoots, and fro what I've seen of the quality, it's more than good enough. But, and this is a big but, I'd have to seriously put some time in to see if a camera with video function works as well as something like our HD camcorders. probably would, but I need to see it for my own eyes..... :)
 
Some really outstanding high ISO images guys thanks

as for me slating Canon... dont think anywhere in this entire thread have I slated them?
I have my Canon equipment and I make full use of it

I actually think Canons Lens line up is actually a better choice than the Nikon's (More choice) of high end lenses
the body's in low light is where the full frame Nikons are well ahead of Canon's
no I have not shot with a 1dmk4 or 1d3S or 5d2
I have shot with 1dmk2S and with 1dmk3 and neither can produce images as clean as the top Nikon's

no doubt Canon will come up with something pretty soon

but I am pretty confident that most shooters on here have not used a D3S or a canon 1dmk4 - and as such we can only asses what we see, and the images I see from the Nikon full frame cameras are just astounding at these huge ISO's

I dont see myself selling off all my Canon gear to 'swap' as I have far too much money in Canon equipment but no one can deny they (Nikon's) are excellent in the low light stakes
Canon's 1dmk4 might be on a par but costs 4 grand - the D700 cost £1600
hence come on Canon get your act together
the 5d2 is a similar price but the buffer and autofocus is not good enough for sports for my type of shooting, must add that the autofocus on my 1dmk2N is outstanding and the servo works great

anyway back on topic, great to see you Nikon guys posting these images
Chris
 
as for me slating Canon... dont think anywhere in this entire thread have I slated them?
I have my Canon equipment and I make full use of it

I think people were referring to the 'Canon really need to be getting there act together in this department' comment, and the fact that you then immediately mentioned your own 1DIIn and 40D. It's a valid point that canon has moved forward since then, but no one (no one sane anyway) can dispute the fact that the D3S is really unrivalled in terms of that high ISO performance.
 
Love the performance from my D7000, its such a massive step up compared to my D80. Couldn't use that past 800, but happily use the D7000 at 3200.

D7000
ISO-2000
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ISO-3200
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Alas, a sign of the times, isn't it.

Yes and no. "Legend" has it that Bailey's early pics for Vogue were rejected because they were on 35mm. The story goes that he just duped them up onto 120 and got away with this for years.

Exif editors exist....... ;)
 
Yes and no. "Legend" has it that Bailey's early pics for Vogue were rejected because they were on 35mm. The story goes that he just duped them up onto 120 and got away with this for years.

Exif editors exist....... ;)

What a legend - I like the cut of his jib :)

Buckle247 - read a review of the D7000 last night and the sample pics at high ISOs look great. Seems like a very, very good piece of kit and a major rival to more 'serious' cameras
 
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One from today..

Straight from RAW, slight exposure adjustment.
ISO 4000 f/1.4 1/500



sebbe4000 by TCR4x4, on Flickr​
 
I took this today, straight from the camera not touched at all apart from resizing for the forum

3200 ISO - F8 - 1/90 sec

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I have to say I'm surprised by the quality of the D90 shots at those ISO speeds...

I'm not /totally/ clued up on everything Nikon, but I thought the D5000 had the same sensor as the D90? And the D5000's high-ISO performance (from my experience with my Dad's) has been pretty poor, anything at 1600+ has been largely unusable without heavy NR :S
 
I have to say I'm surprised by the quality of the D90 shots at those ISO speeds...

I'm not /totally/ clued up on everything Nikon, but I thought the D5000 had the same sensor as the D90? And the D5000's high-ISO performance (from my experience with my Dad's) has been pretty poor, anything at 1600+ has been largely unusable without heavy NR :S


Not sure myself but I am sure I read that the D90 has the same sensor as the D300 and D700 but I could be wrong
 
Most definitely not the same as the d700 as that's full frame. I think the d90's is related to the d300 but not identical.
 
Most definitely not the same as the d700 as that's full frame. I think the d90's is related to the d300 but not identical.

*LOL* Opps yeah of course what am I thinking of :cuckoo:

Yeah I think its the D300 that it has the same sensor as the D90 but of course the D300 has more bells and whistles and waterproofing / magnesium body :thinking:
 
I still use my D2Hs for the crop factor but some of the picture libraries won't accept images from cameras with less than 8 mp - hence the interest in a D2Xs at a good price. I have no interest in 'half cameras' like the D300s - and I do NOT want video.

The shots that come out of that "Half camera" will knock the socks off the D2Xs every time.

My main camera is a D300 with the grip and I bought a D2XS as a backup body. It's just older technology and the shots are not anywhere as nice. Got rid of it after about 3 months because although it was quick, if the light wasn't perfect, it struggled. (compared to the d300)

The d300 with the grip shoots at 8fps and if you can't catch action with 8fps you're doing something wrong.

Just my opinion of course.
 
*LOL* Opps yeah of course what am I thinking of :cuckoo:

Yeah I think its the D300 that it has the same sensor as the D90 but of course the D300 has more bells and whistles and waterproofing / magnesium body :thinking:

Correct.
I had a D90 as a backup to my D300, but just got rid of the d90 because someone offered me a ridiculous price for it and bought a D7000 which, from initial tests has incredible low light ability.:thumbs:
 
The shots that come out of that "Half camera" will knock the socks off the D2Xs every time.

My main camera is a D300 with the grip and I bought a D2XS as a backup body. It's just older technology and the shots are not anywhere as nice. Got rid of it after about 3 months because although it was quick, if the light wasn't perfect, it struggled. (compared to the d300)

The d300 with the grip shoots at 8fps and if you can't catch action with 8fps you're doing something wrong.

Just my opinion of course.

I appreciate your opinion of course. I have a couple of D3 bodies and a D2Hs but some libraries won't accept images from cameras with less than 8MP. i sometimes like the crop body for getting extra reach - but I really don't want a small body - I did have a D300 at one time and hated it.
 
The shots that come out of that "Half camera" will knock the socks off the D2Xs every time.

My main camera is a D300 with the grip and I bought a D2XS as a backup body. It's just older technology and the shots are not anywhere as nice. Got rid of it after about 3 months because although it was quick, if the light wasn't perfect, it struggled. (compared to the d300)

The d300 with the grip shoots at 8fps and if you can't catch action with 8fps you're doing something wrong.

Just my opinion of course.

AWP was talking about the D300S and it's video option. :thumbs:

However, looking at the older D300, undoubtedly, the D300 (whether gripped or not) is a tasty option, especially when it took over from the D200 and showed just what could be done in one jump up the generation ladder.

It's the same as going D2 > D3; the jump is massive, although we're not comparing like-for-like because of the difference in sensor type (i.e. DX against FX).

On paper (and most likely in real world use) the D300 has some massive advantages - better high ISO performance being a big one - the D2x/D2Xs has a lower base ISO (100 as opposed to the D300's ISO 200 or its expanded ISO100 option), plus it sports better ergonomics (for me anyway) because of the built-in grip; gripped bodies are taller than the all-in-one designs.

I would argue that you will see no difference between shots at lower ISOs, say 200 and 400, and there will only be a visible difference from a standard viewing position (i.e. not pixel peeping at 100% on a computer screen) when you're shooting at 1600 when the D2's Hi1 option (equivalent to 1600) is kicking out clumpy noise.

It's interesting to note how Nikon have obviously looked at technological shortcomings on the D2x and recified them on the D300, a lower-level pro body. Obviously the technology was more available three years on; getting 8fps without having to resort to a crop mode, more AF points, UDMA compatability. But then you look at the D3 and compared to the D300, it was a light year ahead. Look at it now; that D3 technology has filtered down to the D700 - and probably little bits to the D7000 - and no doubt will be included (and then some) in the D400 when it comes along.

At the rate it's going, we have interesting times ahead, although in respect to the high-end models, I can't see a massive turnaround of models like there will be lower down the ranks where the technology of the past few years can benefit more consumer oriented models.

The thing is, for the majority of work that I undertake for magazines, the D2x will produce grade-A results that will reproduce brilliantly. I'll have to move up soon to take advantage of the high iSO capabilities of something like a D700 or a D3, but aside from that feature (and an improved AF system - and a pop-up flash on the D700) there will be little those cameras can offer my photography other than keeping up with the times. :)
 
I would argue that you will see no difference between shots at lower ISOs, say 200 and 400, and there will only be a visible difference from a standard viewing position (i.e. not pixel peeping at 100% on a computer screen) when you're shooting at 1600 when the D2's Hi1 option (equivalent to 1600) is kicking out clumpy noise.

The thing is, for the majority of work that I undertake for magazines, the D2x will produce grade-A results that will reproduce brilliantly. I'll have to move up soon to take advantage of the high iSO capabilities of something like a D700 or a D3, but aside from that feature (and an improved AF system - and a pop-up flash on the D700) there will be little those cameras can offer my photography other than keeping up with the times. :)

A couple of key points from your post Pat. When the D2 is kicking out clumpy noise I'm going right through to ISO 6400 and I can do that with absolutely no nervousness as to what I'm going to be able to do with the files. I've used ISO 6400 files in a wedding album with no NR at all. It's unreal to have a camera in your hand that you KNOW is capable of that.

The D700 with it's pop up flash has an extra trick up it's sleeve because you can use that pop up to trigger off camera flashes so no extra transmitters and it's all nicely portable. I often shoot with a flash in my left hand and the D700 in my right and ungripped it makes for a fast shooting very capable little setup. I've not used it at any great range and revert to pocketwizards and manual control when I have time to set shots up but portability is great.

So it's not just a pop up flash but a commander too and you can control the flashes in groups and you can turn them up and down three stops off the back of the camera. CLS is great :)
 
Damn this thread is making me have second thoughts about having just bought a Canon setup :)

Shame Nikon has a more limited and expensive range of lenses otherwise I probably would have gone that way.
 
Shame Nikon has a more limited and expensive range of lenses otherwise I probably would have gone that way.

Sometimes it's a problem but they have most bases covered for roughly the same money as Canon, plus you have the identical 3rd-party options. Probably where the fall down is in some of the primes and some of the long lenses.
 
Correct.
I had a D90 as a backup to my D300, but just got rid of the d90 because someone offered me a ridiculous price for it and bought a D7000 which, from initial tests has incredible low light ability.:thumbs:


Yeah I have heard really good things about the D7000. Am I right that it uses a completely new sensor not from any other Nikon
 
Yeah I have heard really good things about the D7000. Am I right that it uses a completely new sensor not from any other Nikon

yes thats true, it the new sony sensor thats in there sony a550 and the pentax k5, and probaly the replacement for the d300s when that comes out.
 
Damn this thread is making me have second thoughts about having just bought a Canon setup :)

Shame Nikon has a more limited and expensive range of lenses otherwise I probably would have gone that way.

Set up an equivalent thread for canon users :D
Minus the shots from the D3S, I think you'll be hard pressed to see the difference in noise (especially at web size).
 
Set up an equivalent thread for canon users :D
Minus the shots from the D3S, I think you'll be hard pressed to see the difference in noise (especially at web size).

That :rules:. Some shots look OK at 6x4" print size or web preview but that is about it. Unless the expensive high-ISO dSLR is for facebook use, the benchmark should be at least a clean A4 print or a corresponding crop.
 
Some very interesting stuff in this thread. My current thinking is that technology and resultant IQ from the D300s/D90 etc has reached the point where for most amateurs there is just no need for anything better.
I generally print at a maximum of A4 but with my Fuji s5 had a couple of A2 prints done just out of interest, and it was the edge sharpness of the Sigma 10-20 that was the limiting factor, but even then only when viewing unnaturally close. The prints themselves were very impressive with no sign of pixelation (and the Fuji is 6mp extrapolated to 12 of course)

For me the 16mp on the D7000 wont improve my photography, if I have to crop that much that it makes a difference then I have got the shot wrong in the first place!

Better high ISO performance is always welcome, but the D300/D90 is fine up to 1600, and again it's rare that I really need anything higher.

I can see me sticking with my current kit for some years now..........
 
A couple of key points from your post Pat. When the D2 is kicking out clumpy noise I'm going right through to ISO 6400 and I can do that with absolutely no nervousness as to what I'm going to be able to do with the files. I've used ISO 6400 files in a wedding album with no NR at all. It's unreal to have a camera in your hand that you KNOW is capable of that.

The D700 with it's pop up flash has an extra trick up it's sleeve because you can use that pop up to trigger off camera flashes so no extra transmitters and it's all nicely portable. I often shoot with a flash in my left hand and the D700 in my right and ungripped it makes for a fast shooting very capable little setup. I've not used it at any great range and revert to pocketwizards and manual control when I have time to set shots up but portability is great.

So it's not just a pop up flash but a commander too and you can control the flashes in groups and you can turn them up and down three stops off the back of the camera. CLS is great :)

Was shooting with a pro the other day who's just moved up to D700s. He really can't get over just how good they are. I've no doubt about,going by what people are shooting these days in seemingly pitch black conditions. I'm not entirely sure about whether I want to go back to a body that doesn't have a built-in grip, but the D700 is the cheaper route into high ISO goodness, which is one thing I'd like.

Yep, miss that CLS control that I had with the D200, or at least I miss the option to use it. Saying that, I'll get an SU-800 at some point soon so that should rectify things and open up the potential of my flashes, something that's harder to do in manual with Skyports.

Let's hope my tax relief claim comes back soon and then I can look at some new gear.... :)
 
I'm going right through to ISO 6400 and I can do that with absolutely no nervousness as to what I'm going to be able to do with the files. I've used ISO 6400 files in a wedding album with no NR at all. It's unreal to have a camera in your hand that you KNOW is capable of that.

Was shooting with a pro the other day who's just moved up to D700s. He really can't get over just how good they are.

Guys, you know the D3 is obsolete, right? IMO for noise at stupid ISO Canon still haven't equaled it. But it's not a current camera. The D3S makes it look worse than for noise than a cheap Amstrad hifi :lol: And people who have tried both tell me there's some pixie dust in the D3 that makes it way better than the D700.

Lightroom says that 10% of yesterday's wedding was at 6400 or more ;) I have a shot that will look just great as a DPS at 12,800. As well as one that may just squeeze onto a magazine cover shot at lower ISO at about -5 degrees :)
 
I was so glad I took the plunge and got a D700, it totally comes into its own in churches and the like. At lower ISO's its quite difficult to see a difference between it and the D300, but get to 800 and over and its night and day - bearing in mind the D300 was a noise handling revelation when it was released and is still very usable to 1600, higher with some gentle NR

Anyway, one day the D700 will be joined by another one, or whatever is current at the time - I don't want to go bigger, I LIKE being able to remove the grip when my small hands are tired and still have a very capable camera in them ;)

From yesterday, iso 3200 in a church during a horizontal snow storm, no NR applied

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JonathanRyan - yep, fully aware that the D3 is old tech. Doesn't stop me wanting one and TBH, a used on is as close as I'll come to Nikon's current top end, such are my finances. :thumbs:

I take it that you're referring to ISO 6400 on a Hasselblad (mentioned in your sig)? Show off.... ;)
 
Being obsolete doesn't make the D3 a bad camera - it's as good as it always was. It is a ground breaking product that changed the way many of us can shoot forever. I really can't see what else they can do to improve it - higher and higher ISO is not the answer - at very dim light levels the quality of light becomes poor - and the quality of the light is often more important than the quantity.
 
I take it that you're referring to ISO 6400 on a Hasselblad (mentioned in your sig)? Show off.... ;)

Nope. I did get the 'blad with the highest ISO. But it tops out at 1,600. It loves light though - I seldom shoot it without suplementary light which means it's usually 400 or less.

Everything is obsolete ... it's a product design feature.

Yeah, but this is obsolete because they don't make or sell it any more ;)

Being obsolete doesn't make the D3 a bad camera - it's as good as it always was. It is a ground breaking product that changed the way many of us can shoot forever.

Absolutely. But m-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-n you want to see the D3S :D Can't wait for the D4. Presumably I'll be able to stay home while it goes and does the work for me.
 
lol yeah I also use a D3s when I shoot for a friend of mine. We use two D3s as primary cameras and 2 D700s as backups :)

The things I like the D700 for are the weight and ease of use one handed. Such a simple camera for an idiot like me to use :) The pop up flash as a commander is brill :)

The things I prefer about the D3s are actually the better vertical grip and that second card slot. But the weight is tiring and the lack of a flash means sticking one of the SB900s on it and now it weighs a ton. No way am I shooting one handed.

Last night first dance saw me on a chair shooting Hail Mary's hanging onto the strap one handed. Hate to drop a D3s on someones head from there! lol
 
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