Nikon d850 "in development"

[redhed17]

How do get 9 point in D500?

I'm not sure, according to the manual there's only 25, 72 and 153 point. Maybe he means group area?

Snerkler is right, I meant the group area.

Still got a bit of a D300S mindset where the 9 point looks like the D500 group.

 

[redhed17]

Yes, someimes. But with wildlife and other action type photography (what I photograph most) things tend to be too random to predict the composition (i.e. which way the subject will be moving). You can make a guess and hope...

I totally get that for some subjects.

With things like motorcycling for example, I like to pan with the subject and so use a group of focus points to one side or the other on the bike to place the it where I want it to be in the scene. Even in the Jared Polin video which started this, he used a group close to the top of the scene to try and focus on the face of the rider. Being FF there is a limit to how far away from the centre you can do this though, as the focus point don't go too close to the edge of the screen. This is a situation where the AF coverage in the a9 has a big advantage, as it covers virtually the whole scene. Credit where it is due.

 

[sk66]

With things like motorcycling for example, I like to pan with the subject and so use a group of focus points to one side or the other on the bike to place the it where I want it to be in the scene.

I do that with single point/group if I can... but I tend to use to use a larger (centered) dynamic area and rely on the tracking to allow recomposition (that's probably part of why I was unaware that you can move the smaller dynamic areas ). That works quite well with my D810 and previous Nikons, not so much w/ my D5... you only get a few seconds to take the shot even w/ max delay settings.

The latest Nikons have "group line" modes that use a row of AF sensors across the focus area; I can see that being very useful for motorsports/panning shots (I haven't tried it myself yet).

 

[jonneymendoza]

Sorry to hear that Gramps... hope they get it sorted soon.

I've never heard of recent times of a Sony canon fuji or Panasonic have a recall yet nikon have a few times.

Strange.

Hopefully there won't be any recall and just just a isolated issue just like the A9 overheating (which I replaced my original and got brand new one and all is well)

 

[snerkler]

I've never heard of recent times of a Sony canon fuji or Panasonic have a recall yet nikon have a few times.

Strange.

Hopefully there won't be any recall and just just a isolated issue just like the A9 overheating (which I replaced my original and got brand new one and all is well)

No recall on the D500 that I'm aware of. Nikon have handled the D750 fiasco very well to be fair. The D600 on the other hand.....

 

[jonneymendoza]

No recall on the D500 that I'm aware of. Nikon have handled the D750 fiasco very well to be fair. The D600 on the other hand.....

D750 has had 3 recalls?

 

[snerkler]

D750 has had 3 recalls?

2 recalls but the second affected more bodies than they thought.

 

[ryanyboy]

There's an 850 Facebook group I joined the other day. Reading through some posts last night and this morning and I noticed several Canon users are switching over to Nikon, for the 850 it seems.

That said, by some of the questions being asked none of them seem to have a clue what they are doing or why. I think it's mania caused by the hype. But good for Nikon nonetheless

 

[gramps]

There's an 850 Facebook group I joined the other day. Reading through some posts last night and this morning and I noticed several Canon users are switching over to Nikon, for the 850 it seems.

That said, by some of the questions being asked none of them seem to have a clue what they are doing or why. I think it's mania caused by the hype. But good for Nikon nonetheless

Seen some dissatisfaction on another forum, one person sold his within a week and others bemoaning little improvement in IQ over the D810 ... unusual for a new purchase, normally buyers fall over themselves to say they made the right choice.

 

[snerkler]

Seen some dissatisfaction on another forum, one person sold his within a week and others bemoaning little improvement in IQ over the D810 ... unusual for a new purchase, normally buyers fall over themselves to say they made the right choice.

What was the general dissatisfaction?

 

[ryanyboy]

Seen some dissatisfaction on another forum, one person sold his within a week and others bemoaning little improvement in IQ over the D810 ... unusual for a new purchase, normally buyers fall over themselves to say they made the right choice.

I think one of the biggest issues in that respect is the fact that folks go out and shoot images with their new 850 and then stick it up on FB (or here). That's not going to tell the world anything about the camera or IQ. I saw one video on you tube where they made a 6ft by 4ft print from an 850 file. Now THAT was impressive!

 

[gramps]

What was the general dissatisfaction?

Mainly the lack of IQ improvement over the D810 but also talking about not being fast enough for wildlife/sports, high ISO not that impressive and excessive file size ... "a failed experiment", "not sure it's raised the bar".
Surprising comments really but coming from well established photographers.

 

[jonneymendoza]

I think one of the biggest issues in that respect is the fact that folks go out and shoot images with their new 850 and then stick it up on FB (or here). That's not going to tell the world anything about the camera or IQ. I saw one video on you tube where they made a 6ft by 4ft print from an 850 file. Now THAT was impressive!

Viewing a print on a YouTube video is just as bad as viewing images on instagram.

If you want to be impressed. Go and see the print face to face.

I've gone to photo gallery with prints larger then that shot in a measly d4 camera

 

[gramps]

I saw one video on you tube where they made a 6ft by 4ft print from an 850 file. Now THAT was impressive!

It is impressive but being realistic how many of us will print 6' x 4'?

 

[ryanyboy]

Viewing a print on a YouTube video is just as bad as viewing images on instagram.

If you want to be impressed. Go and see the print face to face.

I've gone to photo gallery with prints larger then that shot in a measly d4 camera

I meant impressive in comparison to a crap image on FB.

 

[snerkler]

Mainly the lack of IQ improvement over the D810 but also talking about not being fast enough for wildlife/sports, high ISO not that impressive and excessive file size "a failed experiment", "not sure it's raised the bar".
Surprising comments really but coming from well established photographers.

I think it's like any new release these days, it gets overhyped. We've seen this with the EM1-II, XT2, A9 etc etc. The D850 was never going to be a world beater at sports/wildlife and I think people's expectations may have been too high based on the hype. If you see the D850 as a D810 with better AF, higher resolution and a flippy screen you'll not be disappointed. If you're looking for a camera that's a master of all (as it's been hyped to be) then you sure will be disappointed. I think once the hype's died down and people get their perspective back we'll see that it's a good upgrade over the D810, which after all is what it was set out to be imo.

 

[jerry12953]

It is impressive but being realistic how many of us will print 6' x 4'?

We might not print that big but we might want to produce a smaller print from a big crop of the same image.........

 

[ryanyboy]

It is impressive but being realistic how many of us will print 6' x 4'?

Indeed

Hence the reason why some people have probably just realised that the £3.5k camera they just bought is way beyond their needs.

FWIW I've recently been looking at getting a decent used D4s. Loved that camera and it performed brilliantly every time! Lower megapixels, better high ISO. Simple really!

 

[gramps]

I think it's like any new release these days, it gets overhyped. We've seen this with the EM1-II, XT2, A9 etc etc. The D850 was never going to be a world beater at sports/wildlife and I think people's expectations may have been too high based on the hype. If you see the D850 as a D810 with better AF, higher resolution and a flippy screen you'll not be disappointed. If you're looking for a camera that's a master of all (as it's been hyped to be) then you sure will be disappointed. I think once the hype's died down and people get their perspective back we'll see that it's a good upgrade over the D810, which after all is what it was set out to be imo.

D810s?

 

[gramps]

We might not print that big but we might want to produce a smaller print from a big crop of the same image.........

Indeed and that can be done pretty well with the D810.
I think some folk thought it would be great to be able to use for wildlife to crop right into the image instead of having to use TC's on a long lens but are finding it just isn't that simple.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Indeed

Hence the reason why some people have probably just realised that the £3.5k camera they just bought is way beyond their needs.

FWIW I've recently been looking at getting a decent used D4s. Loved that camera and it performed brilliantly every time! Lower megapixels, better high ISO. Simple really!

Would you be happy with the added bulk?

 

[Mr Perceptive]

I think it's like any new release these days, it gets overhyped. We've seen this with the EM1-II, XT2, A9 etc etc. The D850 was never going to be a world beater at sports/wildlife and I think people's expectations may have been too high based on the hype. If you see the D850 as a D810 with better AF, higher resolution and a flippy screen you'll not be disappointed. If you're looking for a camera that's a master of all (as it's been hyped to be) then you sure will be disappointed. I think once the hype's died down and people get their perspective back we'll see that it's a good upgrade over the D810, which after all is what it was set out to be imo.

This is very true, I also think that people buy the latest and greatest and don't spend enough time with it to get the best out of it, often they use their current workflow and processing techniques and this doesn't always get the best out of the camera. This was true of the X-T2, several forum members bought them immediately and sold them within a week or 2, citing IQ as the reason. I reckon its taken me just over a year and some 15k images, to start to get the best from the X-Trans3 sensor and understand what I can push and what I can't.

So "once the hype's died down and people get their perspective back we'll see that it's a good upgrade over the D810, which after all is what it was set out to be imo" I'd exepct to be a very forecast of the future.

 

[jerry12953]

I think some folk thought it would be great to be able to use for wildlife to crop right into the image instead of having to use TC's on a long lens but are finding it just isn't that simple.

Could you elaborate on that, or point me in the direction where it is being discussed?

 

[jonneymendoza]

Could you elaborate on that, or point me in the direction where it is being discussed?

No idea

 

[Flashman]

I think it's like any new release these days, it gets overhyped. We've seen this with the EM1-II, XT2, A9 etc etc. The D850 was never going to be a world beater at sports/wildlife and I think people's expectations may have been too high based on the hype. If you see the D850 as a D810 with better AF, higher resolution and a flippy screen you'll not be disappointed. If you're looking for a camera that's a master of all (as it's been hyped to be) then you sure will be disappointed. I think once the hype's died down and people get their perspective back we'll see that it's a good upgrade over the D810, which after all is what it was set out to be imo.

Precisely. For a number of users it's simply a failure of unrealistic expectation, like the movie you go to see expecting it to be great only to come out of the cinema mildly disappointed.

I've just been reading the old D810 owners thread and it's pretty much a carbon copy of this one (as was the D800 thread before that). Plenty of initial angst and slating, then a quiet period followed a few months later by general contentment... Then, when the D860 comes out users will moan about that and the D850 will be elevated to greatness!

Personally I'm loving the D850... but maybe I'm just a 'glass half full' kind of guy.

 

[gramps]

Could you elaborate on that, or point me in the direction where it is being discussed?

As I said "I think", so the statement reflects my impression from some comments made.

 

[snerkler]

Indeed and that can be done pretty well with the D810.
I think some folk thought it would be great to be able to use for wildlife to crop right into the image instead of having to use TC's on a long lens but are finding it just isn't that simple.

TBH this was one of the reasons that I would look at buying it, 20mp in DX mode. In what way is it not that simple?

 

[jerry12953]

TBH this was one of the reasons that I would look at buying it, 20mp in DX mode. In what way is it not that simple?

Aren't there two possibilities, small RAW 20Mb and medium RAW at 29Mb? ( I may have got the exact figures wrong.......) And (apparently) they provide excellent image quality. That for me would be a major benefit of the 850 in comparison with anything that Canon currently produces. But even using the full-size RAW surely one could crop a long way into a 46Mb file and still retain quality?

People are talking about the hype surrounding this camera. For once it would seem that the hype is well-deserved.

 

[gramps]

TBH this was one of the reasons that I would look at buying it, 20mp in DX mode. In what way is it not that simple?

I don't know, I had similar thoughts as you about 20mp in DX but then thought heck no not for £3.5k.
Obviously not having one I don't know how it would work out ... the tog who sold his is a very experienced wildlife tog who regularly shoots in Florida and if it isn't working there it isn't going to work anywhere, were my thoughts.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Aren't there two possibilities, small RAW 20Mb and medium RAW at 29Mb? ( I may have got the exact figures wrong.......) And (apparently) they provide excellent image quality. That for me would be a major benefit of the 850 in comparison with anything that Canon currently produces. But even using the full-size RAW surely one could crop a long way into a 46Mb file and still retain quality?

People are talking about the hype surrounding this camera. For once it would seem that the hype is well-deserved.

It's overhyped a bit as both Sony and canon have high megapixel cameras with decent af out already

 

[snerkler]

Aren't there two possibilities, small RAW 20Mb and medium RAW at 29Mb? ( I may have got the exact figures wrong.......) And (apparently) they provide excellent image quality. That for me would be a major benefit of the 850 in comparison with anything that Canon currently produces. But even using the full-size RAW surely one could crop a long way into a 46Mb file and still retain quality?

People are talking about the hype surrounding this camera. For once it would seem that the hype is well-deserved.

Yes there are smaller file sizes, but they don't crop the image. Was referring to the high resolution giving you perceived extra reach due to the ability to crop. The D850 should effectively give you the same reach as the D500 as it has the same pixel density and both are 20mp when at DX size.

I don't know, I had similar thoughts as you about 20mp in DX but then thought heck no not for £3.5k.
Obviously not having one I don't know how it would work out ... the tog who sold his is a very experienced wildlife tog who regularly shoots in Florida and if it isn't working there it isn't going to work anywhere, were my thoughts.

Dear god no, having extra reach is not worth £3.5k alone

It's overhyped a bit as both Sony and canon have high megapixel cameras with decent af out already

 

[jonneymendoza]

Yes there are smaller file sizes, but they don't crop the image. Was referring to the high resolution giving you perceived extra reach due to the ability to crop. The D850 should effectively give you the same reach as the D500 as it has the same pixel density and both are 20mp when at DX size.

Dear god no, having extra reach is not worth £3.5k alone [emoji38]

D850 is a good camera so no nerd for face-palm.

I would buy one in a heart beat

 

[gramps]

Dear god no, having extra reach is not worth £3.5k alone

Especially when I've already got the D500 ... well Nikon Service UK have still got it at the moment, but you know what I mean.

 

[snerkler]

D850 is a good camera so no nerd for face-palm.

I would buy one in a heart beat

I just like the banter

 

[gramps]

D850 is a good camera so no nerd for face-palm.

"nerd"? ... Oh of course we are talking cameras

 

[snerkler]

"nerd"? ... Oh of course we are talking cameras

I read it as a typo, supposed to be need I think. But nerd would probably be more applicable

 

[Riz_Guru]

I don’t know what the big issue is, it’s seems a good all-round body. yes it’s probably been over hyped/marketed, but that’s how they all do it, Sony, Apple etc
For most the higher resolution and associated larger RAW file sizes is worth the money, for others it isn’t.
It’s not a ground breaking gamer changer but does it need to be?

 

[gramps]

It’s not a ground breaking gamer changer but does it need to be?

I think that for most interested people it was expected.

 

[Flashman]

Of course, some people won't be happy until Nikon bring out a camera that gets itself out of the bag and takes the pictures all on its own before making a nice fry up for its owner... even then some people will complain that the bacon isn't crispy enough.

 

[gramps]

Of course, some people won't be happy until Nikon bring out a camera that gets itself out of the bag and takes the pictures all on its own before making a nice fry up for its owner... even then some people will complain that the bacon isn't crispy enough.

Now you're talking ... and yes, definitely crispy bacon