Nikon d850 "in development"

Has anyone used the D850 with the Tamron or Sigma C 150-600mm? If so can you confirm whether ALL AF points work at 600mm please or whether it suffers the same fate as the D500 and only the 'f8' AF points work, i.e. those shown in the manual for f5.6 lenses with 1.4xTC?

Whats the general perception on these zooms? I'll be looking to add something longer for some of my landscape/cityscape stuff when I'm home (not lugging a 150-600 on holiday!) but never sure which of these is seen as "better", liked the Nikon 200-500 f5.6 but found 200mm to be a little long as a starter.
 
Whats the general perception on these zooms? I'll be looking to add something longer for some of my landscape/cityscape stuff when I'm home (not lugging a 150-600 on holiday!) but never sure which of these is seen as "better", liked the Nikon 200-500 f5.6 but found 200mm to be a little long as a starter.
I researched these extensively and there's no clear winner, however Tamron have brought out their G2 since and not read enough about it to comment. The Tamron suits me fine. AF is good enough for what I shoot (I don't do BIF very often) and IQ is very good. I don't go above 550mm as sharpness does drop off at after 550mm, but it's still good at 600mm. The way I see it is that it's cheaper, lighter and apparently sharper than the Nikon at the long end and would choose it over the Nikon if I was buying now (the Nikon wasn't available when I was buying though). As for the Sigma C, well it was £250 more than the Tamron at the time. Now I could be swayed towards the Sigma due to being able to use the dock. I'd also look at the Tamron G2 though as they've got a dock now and the G2 is compatible.

The best of the bunch is the Sigma S but it's more money and 900g heavier :eek:

A good review can be find here
https://photographylife.com/nikon-200-500mm-vs-tamron-150-600mm-vs-sigma-150-600mm-c


If you can't be bothered to read it all here's the conclusion ;)
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Obviously this is just one review of many, and some draw different conclusions. Personally I think they're all much the same and sample variation and technique will play far more of a part when it comes to IQ and sharpness.


Here's a review on the Tamron G2
https://photographylife.com/reviews/tamron-sp-150-600mm-f5-6-3-g2
 
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I researched these extensively and there's no clear winner, however Tamron have brought out their G2 since and not read enough about it to comment. The Tamron suits me fine. AF is good enough for what I shoot (I don't do BIF very often) and IQ is very good. I don't go above 550mm as sharpness does drop off at after 550mm, but it's still good at 600mm. The way I see it is that it's cheaper, lighter and apparently sharper than the Nikon at the long end and would choose it over the Nikon if I was buying now (the Nikon wasn't available when I was buying though). As for the Sigma C, well it was £250 more than the Tamron at the time. Now I could be swayed towards the Sigma due to being able to use the dock. I'd also look at the Tamron G2 though as they've got a dock now and the G2 is compatible.

The best of the bunch is the Sigma S but it's more money and 900g heavier :eek:

A good review can be find here
https://photographylife.com/nikon-200-500mm-vs-tamron-150-600mm-vs-sigma-150-600mm-c


If you can't be bothered to read it all here's the conclusion ;)
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Obviously this is just one review of many, and some draw different conclusions. Personally I think they're all much the same and sample variation and technique will play far more of a part when it comes to IQ and sharpness.


Here's a review on the Tamron G2
https://photographylife.com/reviews/tamron-sp-150-600mm-f5-6-3-g2

That Tamron 150- 600 G2 looks pretty good in the review, nice sharp images!

Received a 24-70 G2 tonight and its woeful, AF is all wrong and even a +20 adjustment with AF finetune only just about gets it right, not sure its much better than the older 24-70, nicer build though.
 
Interesting comparison of the AF points of the D850 vs the D810 and D750. Those far corner points would be extremely handy for me, especially as they're cross type vs line on my D750. Just need to wait for the price to come down about £2k now [emoji38]

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Barely much difference. Why don't they spread the af more?
 
Barely much difference. Why don't they spread the af more?
Big difference between the D750 and D850 and would be really handy for me. There's enough difference between the D810 and D850 to make a difference in some compositions too imo, plus the outer points are now cross type.

Why aren't they wider, do you know how AF modules work? Don't forget the AF module is not on sensor like it is on mirrorless and there are limitations in light gathering. However, they are now perfectly wide enough now. They go to the rule of thirds and I would never focus beyond these areas. I had the D500 for a while and the outer points were redundant for me. Likewise with my EM1.
 
OK ignore what i said about the Tamron G2, had it out and did my usual "test" walk. It's tremendously sharp and is indeed better than the old one, might have to keep it now!
What was wrong with the AF then, is it still +20?
 
What was wrong with the AF then, is it still +20?

I have no idea, it's now sitting at +5 and in the real world (I've out shooting and not taking shots in the house), its tremendous!
Probably putting too much stock in random shots of bottles (I don't have a cat)
 
I have no idea, it's now sitting at +5 and in the real world (I've out shooting and not taking shots in the house), its tremendous!
Probably putting too much stock in random shots of bottles (I don't have a cat)
Glass is not the best surface to test AF systems (assuming you meant glass bottles). Shiny plastic's not great either. Obviously a paper label would be OK ;)
 
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I have no idea, it's now sitting at +5 and in the real world (I've out shooting and not taking shots in the house), its tremendous!
Probably putting too much stock in random shots of bottles (I don't have a cat)
I wouldn't be fine tuning a 600mm in the house... focus distance makes a difference to the results IME.
 
Had the D850 for just over a week now.

The handling is a big leap forward from the D810 and, joy of joys, is converging with the D5. Buttons have moved, such as ISO now being next to the shutter release, and now coincide with the D5 layout much more closely. At last I can grab one or the other body and not have to think so hard about where my most used controls are.

The D810's AE-L/AF-L button has been replaced by a D5 style joystick on the D850 so with a grip, at last, you have the same handling in portrait and landscape (which also matches the D5).

D850 autofocus is great... not just the performance but the handling too, the ability to assign different focus modes to different buttons is another D5 feature that's very welcome on the D850.

A myriad of other steps forward (tilting & touch screen etc.) make this really feel like a new camera and a bigger jump from the D810 than the D810 was from the D800... After all, the D810 was only 10 more than the D800, the D850 is 40 more than the D810!! :D

Early days but very pleased so far! (y)
 
The handling is a big leap forward from the D810 and, joy of joys, is converging with the D5. Buttons have moved, such as ISO now being next to the shutter release, and now coincide with the D5 layout much more closely. At last I can grab one or the other body and not have to think so hard about where my most used controls are.
Though that's not going to be a universal benefit, since it depends what other cameras you use. If you had a D800 and a D810, and you upgraded the D800 to a D850, the differences between the control placements on the D810 and D850 would be positively unhelpful.

This is one of the things Thom Hogan writes about: he complains that Nikon keep "moving the cheese", i.e. moving controls around for no obvious good reason. His view is that continuity and consistency would be better than a never-ending quest for supposed optimality, but I guess that's more of an issue for people like him who run multiple cameras than it is for most people.
 
Though that's not going to be a universal benefit, since it depends what other cameras you use. If you had a D800 and a D810, and you upgraded the D800 to a D850, the differences between the control placements on the D810 and D850 would be positively unhelpful.

This is one of the things Thom Hogan writes about: he complains that Nikon keep "moving the cheese", i.e. moving controls around for no obvious good reason. His view is that continuity and consistency would be better than a never-ending quest for supposed optimality, but I guess that's more of an issue for people like him who run multiple cameras than it is for most people.

Can't argue with that... they've certainly moved some cheese around this time.
 
They all do IME...

No, I've never experienced this with any Nikon / Nikon grip from the F3 in the 80s onwards to today. When affixed tightly there should be no movement whatsoever and the grip is just a firm extension of the body. Never had an issue.
 
No, I've never experienced this with any Nikon / Nikon grip from the F3 in the 80s onwards to today. When affixed tightly there should be no movement whatsoever and the grip is just a firm extension of the body. Never had an issue.
I suppose it depends on what kind of strain you put it under. The grip on my F3 had/has about zero play, but with the rubberized/curved digital cameras mine have always had some play (i.e. D810 w/ MB-D12)... it's not a lot, but it's there.
 
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1st link is of a D500 review!
2nd link is very informative, a good review ... I like:-
The greatest trick Nikon ever pulled was convincing us that they’ve improved Snapbridge/Wifi. It’s slow. It’s clunky. It requires way too much work to get a photo onto a phone. Dear camera companies, here is what we want: 1. Hire someone with Bluetooth experience. 2. Build something like Airdrop from Apple. One click and it transfers.

Please spare us the endless connections, app opening and waiting for files to transfer. It’s 2017. I can text a friggin pizza emoji and have food show up at my door. Please make this better. We need this. I believe in you.*

*I don’t actually believe in you.
:D
 
my apologies - corrected link in my original post!
https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-d850

This review will be updated as new data roll in. Current edition of 22 Sep 2017 has updated Section 17 on smaller RAW file quality - "mRAW / sRAW High ISO Noise Performance”
 
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Saw matt grangers video and the af tracking is poor... So all that rubbish about it having exact same AF system as the d5....

Still its an amazing camera but its no D5 in terms of AF. Not even close. May even be worse then the 5D4
 
Saw matt grangers video and the af tracking is poor... So all that rubbish about it having exact same AF system as the d5....

Still its an amazing camera but its no D5 in terms of AF. Not even close. May even be worse then the 5D4
As per my comment to you on FB it's no surprise. There's more than the module and processor that affects AF performance. The D5 might have stronger motors. Also on that video Matt is not using the battery grip therefore he's using a much less powerful battery which could make a difference. Nikon are not going to give this camera an AF performance to match their flagship sports camera, who would buy the D5 if they did. As I also mentioned, Canon do the same. The 5D4 shares the same AF system as the 1dx-II yet every user feedback will tell you that the 1Dx-II still works better, as you'd expect.

Will the D850 be worse in AF than the 5D4? Dunno, would have to see more tests. I doubt it though. Everyone raves about the D500, yet Matt has previously shown that this still does not compete with the D5, much in the same way as the D850. I would expect that the D850 will be similar to the D500, which blows most other cameras away.

Also, I've never been a fan of 3D tracking, I can get a better hit rate on my D750 using single point AF-C.
 
Can anyone explain to me why the charger for the EN-EL18a is £359 pounds. I just can't get my head round why any battery charger should be this much money, it seems crazy :eek:
 
Have you seen these? Any good?
Thanks. I'm not actually in the market for any (yet), but I was just looking into the grip etc and was staggered at the price of the charger so was just wondering what makes it so expensive? I've just seen that the Canon equivalent is even more, absolutely crazy :eek:
 
Can anyone explain to me why the charger for the EN-EL18a is £359 pounds. I just can't get my head round why any battery charger should be this much money, it seems crazy :eek:
I guess its because the charger and battery are for the Nikon D5?
Sony charge crazy money too but I was pleased with the £65 I paid for the Sony A9 battery :D
 
Can anyone explain to me why the charger for the EN-EL18a is £359 pounds. I just can't get my head round why any battery charger should be this much money, it seems crazy :eek:

It's Nikon, they do stupid crap like this.

Taking a look at the reviews there's a lot of complaints of that charger breaking too so it seems very badly thought out. I'd guess they price it so high because they only expect to sell a small number.
 
Can anyone explain to me why the charger for the EN-EL18a is £359 pounds.

Because they can, just like most of their 'extras' are over-priced e.g. D500 Battery Grip! :eek:
 
1st failure report on another forum ... XQD card won't slide completely into card socket.
 
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