Nikon D800......

[arclight]

I use 12 bit losless compressed atm. I tried 14 bit losless uncompressed, and honestly, could not tell the difference between identical images taken at each setting. So I stick to 12 bit to keep things nice and smooth. Unless I was planning to print huge, I don't think I need the 14 bit option.

I cannot see any difference between 12 and 14 bit lossless compressed files so I stick with 12 bit. Perhaps others do see a difference. 14 bit is reckoned to produce better HDR results, but I have yet to try that.

 

[Jeff.B]

12 bit lossless comp. set. Thanks folks.

 

[redhed17]

I just work on it in lightroom if necessary, then export as 16bit TIFF and carry on in PS if needed.

Have you considered opening files in PS as a Smart Objects? :shrug: It may give you more flexibility to go back and make changes to the RAW file, should you wish/need to.

Not a criticism, just wanting to understand why some people edit in certain ways.

 

[AchimT]

Where do I find this setting the menu.

Hi Jeff, in the English Manual, go to page 86. Approximately in the middle of that page, you'll find it described.

The first header you have to read under is

NEF (RAW) Recording > Type

Under this heading you see an option 'Lossless compressed'. The manual says about this option that it compresses NEF images lossless and in a reversible way, reducing file size by 20–40% and that this option does not have an effect on image quality.

Combine this with the 14 bit option mentioned on the same page, and you have full image quality with a smaller filesize. With these settings, my 14 bit images have a filesize of around 35 MB.

In the camera, these options are in the Shooting Menu, under

NEF (RAW) Recording > Type

and

NEF (RAW) Recording > NEF (RAW) Bit Depth

 

[AchimT]

There isn't an option to do this. The closest you come to it is in the NEF compression options where you can set the bit depth and compression.

Apologies, what is the difference between 'smaller filesize with full quality' and '14 bit lossless compression', other than the wording?

 

[boyfalldown]

one is a Nikon menu option, one isn't

Apologies, what is the difference between 'smaller filesize with full quality' and '14 bit lossless compression', other than the wording?

 

[AchimT]

Can't argue with that

 

[decigallen]

It's not a snide comment.... you need to lighten up.... and get over it. The D800 is not for you.. we get it, so why are you hear trying to convince everyone else it's not for them either?

I wasn't trying to convince anyone. I was stating a point of view. This is a discussion forum isn't it?

Why are you even in a D800 thread? Seems to me like you're just trying to ram your opinion down everyone's throat. Of course no one in here will agree with you, as they all have a D800.

I'm in a d800 thread because I'm discussing the d800. Is that not what you do in the d800 thread? It doesn't say it's a 'users only' thread or a 'no negative comments' thread. As a disgruntled, previous owner I'm entitled to an opinion on it. Also, representatives from large companies are generally attentive to popular internet forum content these days for customer feedback.

Some share my opinion here, some don't. I also have friends that shoot with the d800 who love it but also wish it had less mp. By buying one it doesn't automatically mean that you wanted or needed a 36mp camera.

Answer me this: If, in your opinion, a D800 is sheer overkill, explain the PhaseOne IQ180 or the 'blad HD5-50. What do you suppose they are designed for... and who?

Those are professional cameras aimed at a specific professional user base. The d800 is pro-sumer and should arguably appeal to a broader section of people. What was wrong with my suggestion of a 36mp d800e accompanied by a 16/24mp d800? You can't tell me that is completely illogical.

What you mean is YOU have no need for one. Are you arrogant enough to assume that if YOU don't need one, no one else does? I've no idea what you shoot for a living, but there's more than one kind of photography, and each one has specific needs.

It's not arrogance to state that some people who own it don't NEED the high mp count. I'm sure some d800 users on here will agree with me that they would be just as happy (or happier) with a 24mp d800.

 

[sponner]

I recently bought one.

I read rather a lot about the D800/D600 and 5d MkIII before plumping for the D800.

I have a decent computer and plenty of storage so don't find that an issue, import times etc are slightly longer but not really an issue.

I can see how 36mp is overkill a lot of the time and that wasn't the main reason I chose the D800, if the dirty sensor issue with the D600 wasn't there I would probably have gone for that and sacrificed some of the other features to save a few quid.

Although it is overkill 36 mp is still nice to have. As stated I don't find it a hindrance when processing etc and although I agree cropping should not be the main way you compose shots it is nice to have the extra room.

It's just a great camera all round, certainly more than I needed, but I could afford it (just) and I don' t think the tech in it will be looking dated any time soon.

 

[Cagey75]

Y'know deci, i dont see any point to you coming in to moan either. To be frank. I used to own a fuji X10 and wasn't all that impressed with it. I'm
Not going to go into the thread for that camera to moan about it for no reason. Especially as that thread is one of the most positive on here.

We have been trying to get this one even a teensy bit as positive. More pics and chat about actually using and enjoying the camera needed.

 

[Nod]

As with all photos trying to show off the capabilities of DSLRs (and almost all compacts of whatever quality!), there's little point in posting photos - they can show good composition (and bad) and exposure but there's no way an 800px x 800px image can even give a glimpse as to how good the cameras' images are - you need a big print to do that. Sure, you can link to the bigger picture on Flickr (other hosts exist!) but all that does is allow pixel peepers to peek at the pixels and potential image thieves to thieve a high res image...

The high pixel count (and the quality of those pixels) was the main reason I bought my D800. I considered a D600 but the plastic construction of it was a bit off putting, although I know that modern plastics are almost as strong as some metals and it simply isn't enough of an upgrade from my D700 to be worth doing (for my purposes). If there was a D600e (or x) with the D800's sensor, I would probably have gone for that if the price reflected the marginally lesser build quality but since there's no such animal, the D800 it is for me!
Deci, like anyone you're perfectly entitled to your opinion - like fundamental orifices, everyone's got one and similarly, it's not necessary to ram it down everyone's throat repeatedly! We all get that FOR YOU the D800 doesn't do it but for many of us it does.
Keith, I also used to have an X-10 but I've sold mine on too but I have kept it's smaller brother (XF-1). It's (for me) more suitable for the purpose I bought it, as a pocket camera suitable for photography as well as snaps! Horses for courses.
Next year (or maybe 2015) there'll be a truly pocketable compact (a la XF-1) with an FF sensor and (hopefully) an OVF with in VF info including a level. And an FF Nikon body the same size as a 1000D. Well, a man's allowed to dream!

 

[Laudrup]

Would a 16mp D800 not need to be sufficiently crippled in order not to compete with a D4? I'm not sure Nikon would be worrying at selling you a D4 instead of two D800s. I liked my D700, but the D800 feels on another level.

 

[arclight]

I recently bought one.

I read rather a lot about the D800/D600 and 5d MkIII before plumping for the D800.

I have a decent computer and plenty of storage so don't find that an issue, import times etc are slightly longer but not really an issue.

I can see how 36mp is overkill a lot of the time and that wasn't the main reason I chose the D800, if the dirty sensor issue with the D600 wasn't there I would probably have gone for that and sacrificed some of the other features to save a few quid.

Although it is overkill 36 mp is still nice to have. As stated I don't find it a hindrance when processing etc and although I agree cropping should not be the main way you compose shots it is nice to have the extra room.

It's just a great camera all round, certainly more than I needed, but I could afford it (just) and I don' t think the tech in it will be looking dated any time soon.

It is great. I love having the ability to crop. I had a D700 and a D300s (for the extra "reach"). Now I have both in one camera. Press a button and turn a thumbwheel and I can alter the resolution in a second. That is versatility par excelence. Topper of a camera.

 

[Cagey75]

As with all photos trying to show off the capabilities of DSLRs (and almost all compacts of whatever quality!), there's little point in posting photos - they can show good composition (and bad) and exposure but there's no way an 800px x 800px image can even give a glimpse as to how good the cameras' images are - you need a big print to do that. Sure, you can link to the bigger picture on Flickr (other hosts exist!) but all that does is allow pixel peepers to peek at the pixels and potential image thieves to thieve a high res image...

The high pixel count (and the quality of those pixels) was the main reason I bought my D800. I considered a D600 but the plastic construction of it was a bit off putting, although I know that modern plastics are almost as strong as some metals and it simply isn't enough of an upgrade from my D700 to be worth doing (for my purposes). If there was a D600e (or x) with the D800's sensor, I would probably have gone for that if the price reflected the marginally lesser build quality but since there's no such animal, the D800 it is for me!
Deci, like anyone you're perfectly entitled to your opinion - like fundamental orifices, everyone's got one and similarly, it's not necessary to ram it down everyone's throat repeatedly! We all get that FOR YOU the D800 doesn't do it but for many of us it does.
Keith, I also used to have an X-10 but I've sold mine on too but I have kept it's smaller brother (XF-1). It's (for me) more suitable for the purpose I bought it, as a pocket camera suitable for photography as well as snaps! Horses for courses.
Next year (or maybe 2015) there'll be a truly pocketable compact (a la XF-1) with an FF sensor and (hopefully) an OVF with in VF info including a level. And an FF Nikon body the same size as a 1000D. Well, a man's allowed to dream!

I didn't mean pictures that show off the ultimate detail or anything, just friendly images, what others are up to out and about with their cameras. they do it in all the other dedicated camera threads :shrug:

I now have the Fuji X100s, it's more what I was after. The X10 was grand, I didn't think it was up to scratch on the ISO performance, knew there was better compacts out there, and never really got to know it enough maybe? Went on to the RX100, and that was too small! the X100 is perfect. Takinf it, and the D800 [with just an 85mm] to Turkey in 2 days time.

 

[pmac]

I wasn't trying to convince anyone. I was stating a point of view. This is a discussion forum isn't it?



I'm in a d800 thread because I'm discussing the d800. Is that not what you do in the d800 thread? It doesn't say it's a 'users only' thread or a 'no negative comments' thread. As a disgruntled, previous owner I'm entitled to an opinion on it. Also, representatives from large companies are generally attentive to popular internet forum content these days for customer feedback.

Some share my opinion here, some don't. I also have friends that shoot with the d800 who love it but also wish it had less mp. By buying one it doesn't automatically mean that you wanted or needed a 36mp camera.



Those are professional cameras aimed at a specific professional user base. The d800 is pro-sumer and should arguably appeal to a broader section of people. What was wrong with my suggestion of a 36mp d800e accompanied by a 16/24mp d800? You can't tell me that is completely illogical.



It's not arrogance to state that some people who own it don't NEED the high mp count. I'm sure some d800 users on here will agree with me that they would be just as happy (or happier) with a 24mp d800.

Y'know deci, i dont see any point to you coming in to moan either. To be frank. I used to own a fuji X10 and wasn't all that impressed with it. I'm
Not going to go into the thread for that camera to moan about it for no reason. Especially as that thread is one of the most positive on here.

We have been trying to get this one even a teensy bit as positive. More pics and chat about actually using and enjoying the camera needed.

This is going back around in circles again... This is a D800 thread, not a d800 fan boy praising thread.

I was jumped on before due to questioning the greatness and pointing out issues many have reported. This is a thread to talk about the d800, any issues, pluses and negatives or anything related, it doesn't have to be d800 users that even post in it.....
Off all the forums I'm on this has to be the worst d800 thread for fan boyism,even the nikon thread on the canon forum is better.

 

[decigallen]

I've posted positives as well as negatives about the d800. As I said, company reps do actually take note of certain high-user message boards so that's why I post - it's a D800 discussion page. I don't know how that can offend anyone (unless any of you had a hand in designing it).

I love the construction of the d800. Its superbly built and the control layout is great. The DR at 100 ISO is as good as the D4 (to my eyes). AF is quick and accurate - mine didn't have the focusing issue that arose. As I previously said, everything is almost perfect. Skin tones are much better than D700/D3. I don't even mind that it has slower burst shooting than the d700 as it's 4fps was plenty for me. There's plenty of positives - and for those who need high mp count I'm sure its perfect.

I don't think a 16/24mp version would've crippled D4 sales if all other specs were as is - having two versions would've knocked canon for six. Instead we've got loads of D700 users who feel they've not got a replacement. People upgrading from a D3/D3s would've bought the D4 regardless. Its a lot more robust and faster than a D800, it has much less noise at high iso, and a bigger capacity battery. Plus some people just prefer the cachet of having a top of the range DSLR. Canon manage to sell plenty of 1Ds despite having the 5Diii.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, that is such a lame excuse and we shouldn't defend it. Nikon should be hell bent on satisfying their customers rather than chasing profits. Why would they care if you bought a 16mp d800 over a D4? Surely the reason why a D4 costs more is because it costs more to make and develop. ie. the profit margin shouldn't be dissimilar to that of the d800. If they want us to buy D4s rather than D800s then that can only mean that they profit more on the D4 - if that is the case we shouldn't be using the 'canibalise the d4' line as an acceptable excuse.

 

[Cagey75]

This is going back around in circles again... This is a D800 thread, not a d800 fan boy praising thread.

I was jumped on before due to questioning the greatness and pointing out issues many have reported. This is a thread to talk about the d800, any issues, pluses and negatives or anything related, it doesn't have to be d800 users that even post in it.....
Off all the forums I'm on this has to be the worst d800 thread for fan boyism,even the nikon thread on the canon forum is better.

I love how you quote me, when others have echoed same as I said. And some said it before me. Did your eyes go all red and you felt like you had to stomp on your keypad to respond? Oh yeah, it was you who tried ruin it last time, I get ya ... carrying a wee grudge are we?

I give up. You moaners carry on with the negative, nonsense you spew. Go right ahead, Lap it up. All it does is show you'd rather be moaning than shooting. I wouldn't be bothered posting in a thread for a camera I don't have ... better things to be doing.

And the irony of a clear troll poster, it seems lately, labeling others fanboys - just because they don't have any issues with a camera, and don't want to repeatedly read negative posts, that have no real point, from someone who admits to not even owning the camera!

Trust me, if I had issues, I'd do something about it, not just have a moan on a forum. Circles is right, that YOU keep rotating.

 

[decigallen]

Constructive criticism of camera equipment is surely a positive thing Cagey? Just as photographers learn from legitimate criticism, camera companies learn from it too.

I am certainly not trolling. I could be accused of being a Nikon fanboy for the amount of equipment I and my partner own (probably around £40k worth), but it doesn't make them immune to criticism nor does it make other brands incapable of being praised. Similarly we own 3 imacs, 2 mbpros, 2 ipads and 2 iphones and I will criticize apple if I don't like something they've done. I like Canon's model of 24mp 5D, 18mp 1D and a rumoured 36-50mp 3D. I think that covers a lot of bases.

I really don't understand why people get so upset when someone criticises a piece of equipment they own.

 

[pmac]

I love how you quote me, when others have echoed same as I said. And some said it before me. Did your eyes go all red and you felt like you had to stomp on your keypad to respond? Oh yeah, it was you who tried ruin it last time, I get ya ... carrying a wee grudge are we?

I give up. You moaners carry on with the negative, nonsense you spew. Go right ahead, Lap it up. All it does is show you'd rather be moaning than shooting. I wouldn't be bothered posting in a thread for a camera I don't have ... better things to be doing.

And the irony of a clear troll poster, it seems lately, labeling others fanboys - just because they don't have any issues with a camera, and don't want to repeatedly read negative posts, that have no real point, from someone who admits to not even owning the camera!

Trust me, if I had issues, I'd do something about it, not just have a moan on a forum. Circles is right, that YOU keep rotating.

I quoted you as you were the one saying he shouldn't come here to moan. go check your posts...this is a d800 discussion thread not a praise thread.
You seem happy to always get your point across, but always seem to take the huff when others do so.

I wasn't trying to ruin anything I just don't think that god's light shines out the d800 like you and others on here do. denying theres issues or more people may have wanted a lower MP camera is just pathetic to be honest, yet again no one can voice there opinion bar the ones shouting its praise.

Funny as I'm sure I see you post in threads about stuff you don't own all the time.. another case of the pot calling the kettle black maybe, or do you only ever post in this and threads for the lens you own?

I dont call you a fan boy as you have no issues with your camera or because i have an issue with you, but because you and others jump on anyone that says anything thats not remotely positive about his camera or showing it in its best light.
Look at your posts in other threads lately you do come across as a bit of a nikon fan boy. Do you pick a side to defend so hard in the mac\pc or xbox/ps3 talk also.

And no I don't go out and shoot with my camera all day every day, to be honest its and expensive toy I enjoy playing with when I have the time to do so. when I'm not busy or with my family.

 

[david357]

It would be very nice if this thread returned to discussions about the D800 again.

 

[gramps]

It would be very nice if this thread returned to discussions about the D800 again.

Need for some anti-testosterone tea here recently!

 

[decigallen]

It would be very nice if this thread returned to discussions about the D800 again.

ha! I believe that's what I was doing.

 

[Gary Coyle]

This thread should be about ALL THINGS D800 related, after all it is a D800 thread, im very happy with mine now but its not the camera i was hoping it would be, ie a D700 replacement, i wouldnt go back to the D700 though i do wish it was the D700 replacement it should have been, i dont really need the 36mp files, i dont really want the 36mp files but i have them and on the odd occasion i ever need them (see my post in the other D800 thread) they're there.

 

[pmac]

There seems to be a lot more d800's and high end nikon kit popping up for sale used recently. I think thats been 3 d800s within the past two weeks and more 24-70 and 70-200vr2 lens than you could want.
Also seems the prices have dropped on used kit, I'm surprised at how low the d800's have been going for, I wonder if this is people realising its to much for there needs or just jumping ship.
It really doesn't seem to have kept its value well at all, compared to other models.

 

[Yv]

Should I have the bromide ready??

Just had a quick read of the last page or two, please keep it to discussing the camera and not quite so personal fellas, starting to look like a pishing contest in some posts. It would be a tough one to clean up, so don't put us in the position of having to consider closing, too much info in here for that.

 

[AchimT]

Nikon should be hell bent on satisfying their customers rather than chasing profits.

I think they need to focus on both and upon those occasions where focussing on one of them also caters to the other, everybody is most pleased. But they are not always the same, and focussing on the business side is as important as focussing on the 'customer wish' side, and sometimes it is even more important to keep a company alive. And I guess we all want a company who makes great cameras such as Nikon to survive.

I think the success of the D800 shows that Nikon's deciders made the right decision, and Nikons developers and engineers did a great job. The success of the D800 speaks for itself, so I'm sorry for all those who wish it would have been a different camera, but apparently Nikon found a lot of people who like the D800, so all we can say is they did a good job. They didn't make everybody happy, but they found a lot of customers, sold their D800 very well, so the D800 is a job well done, a success story for the company Nikon.

So if Nikon people really monitor this thread - I'd like to tell them: job well done for me! Maybe you need to create another camera for decigallen and others who wanted a successor to the D700, but for me, the D800 (and the D600 minus the sensor dirt issue which is not being dealt with appropriately) is a great camera. I bought it despite the 36mp rather than because of them, but once I had it, I deeply appreciated the good work that has been done on designing and making this camera, in all its aspects.

Surely the reason why a D4 costs more is because it costs more to make and develop. ie. the profit margin shouldn't be dissimilar to that of the d800.

I think in most areas, the profit margins of top end models are usually higher - you don't only pay for the hard- and software, you also pay for having the best of the best, the reputation, the prestige. For that reason, I'd never buy a top model. With cameras like the D4, of course, they have features the pros really need, and there is no option other than buying those top models. So maybe the pricing schemes are different with cameras than what I think, but I doubt it.

 

[Flashman]

I unsubscribed from this thread months ago because all people talked about was the 'issues' and how terrible it is that Nikon should dare make it high resolution... I've just looked back in and see not much has changed then!

Mine is perfect for my needs, I have a 44 inch Epson 9900 sat next to my desk which is regularly pumping out lovely big high res prints with absolutely no focus issues at all!

I'll be off again now... life's way too short!

 

[gramps]

A D800 went for £1400 here months ago and there were cries of 'foul' from those who had just paid over £2000 - I wonder if it's more of a comment on the economic climate than the state of Nikon equipment ... that coupled with the past 'grey market' prices.
Having said that I agree that I have seen little change in prices for the 70-200 or 24-70 but glass does maintain its price better.

Personally I am using my D800 more than my D3S, the image resolution (for me) is superb and there is something about working the file and the finished image that I find quite pleasing.

 

[AchimT]

...more d800's and high end nikon kit popping up for sale used recently

Having suffered in this area myself (with the D600), I wonder whether those cameras being sold for lower prices are those which had one of the reported quality issues of the early series, and some of them will perhaps be replaced with another D800 from a later series. Also, in Amazon's sales figures, the D800 is very high up in sales in its price class. So probably it's logical that if a lot were sold, there are also more appearing on the used part market?

Regarding the kit, I can only speak for myself. There is for example the Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG HSM which produces blazingly good image quality and for me entirely replaces my Nikon 24-85mm f2.8-4D zoom. Or the Tamron 24-70mm, which also seems to be very good, and may for many also be a replacement of Nikon's own 24-70mm.

I think cheaper and highly interesting third-party offers have emerged in the kit market, which might affect both Nikons and Canons sales.

Anyway, the business year 2012 (ending I think in March 2013?) seems to have been good for Nikon. No need to worry about support for our cameras I think

 

[redhed17]

I know some are saying that 36mp may be too much for them, but does anyone use their D800 on lower resolutions? And are there is negatives in doing that? :shrug:

I know Canon cameras have lower resolution RAW options, which Nikon don't have (I think), which may stop people from using lower resolutions, because they shoot in RAW. I never really saw the point of the lower resolution RAW files on the lower MP cameras, but with very large MP cameras maybe that is a good option to have.

I thought Nikon, or any manufacturer with high MP cameras, could have tried something where pixels are grouped together to increase low light performance like Fuji do with some of their compacts. Especially in the case of the D800 there are more than enough pixels to do something like this with. :shrug:

I've never reduced the number of pixels on my D300S because I always want the maximum number of pixels, because it is only 12MP. I have started using my D200 on the lower resolution settings when I do Timelapses, because the maximum the video is going to be is 1920 x 1080, and the hundreds, possible thousands of images, fill up memory cards and computer very quickly. And the larger full resolution could also have an effect on the speed of capture because of the file sizes.

I'm not sure I would use the lower resolution RAW option if it was there on the D200 for Timelapse, but not having the option I don't get the choice. :shrug:

 

[Gary Coyle]

I know some are saying that 36mp may be too much for them, but does anyone use their D800 on lower resolutions? And are there is negatives in doing that? :shrug:

I do, i shoot medium 24mp all the time except for the very rare occasion i might need 36mp, i dont shoot RAW so the file size really isnt the issue, no negatives what i can see.

 

[Cagey75]

Do you know what I never see? D4's for sale used!

I have honestly been looking, because if the right priced one came up, I'd jump at it. But nope, D4 owners not only keep quiet, but they really love those beasts too!

I mean, I love my D800E, I know I'm lucky in that I've not had any issues, ok - and I have said in here before that I do feel for those who have had all sorts of trouble ... but I would love to have a D4 to compliment it. And I'm not even a pro! do I care? nope I'd grab at it for a decent price.

 

[JonathanRyan]

Do you know what I never see? D4's for sale used!

I have honestly been looking, because if the right priced one came up, I'd jump at it. But nope, D4 owners not only keep quiet, but they really love those beasts too!

Also, many D4 owners won't have bought their own camera. Doesn't matter whether you love it or hate it, if the accountant says it's not time to trade you will carry on using it.

 

[pmac]

Do you know what I never see? D4's for sale used!

I have honestly been looking, because if the right priced one came up, I'd jump at it. But nope, D4 owners not only keep quiet, but they really love those beasts too!

I mean, I love my D800E, I know I'm lucky in that I've not had any issues, ok - and I have said in here before that I do feel for those who have had all sorts of trouble ... but I would love to have a D4 to compliment it. And I'm not even a pro! do I care? nope I'd grab at it for a decent price.

I have to say I've yet to see a D4 go anywhere used.Even the d3s rarely appears on the used market.

Have you considered that? theres a few on ebay this morning one with less than 5000 accusations in Ireland.

What is the current going rate for a d3s now? if i had the money im not sure if i would take a d4/d3s to compliment my d800 or a 200 f2/300 2.8.

 

[fred2511]

Im very happy with my D800 got instead of the D600 as i prefer the build quality.
I don't really care about the hight mp as it just work fine on my computer.
i payed £1900 for it and i think its a lots of camera for the money and for an amateur i really don' t think i will need any better.
I even started shooting street with it and the little 50 and the combo work great.
D4 to me is a pro camera and pro don't really sale there equipment often, it seem that you will see lots of D4 on the market when the D5 will come out.
Pro will have tons of nikon lens so swinging between brand is not really an option and they are busy shooting and not reading forum and playing on ebay.
Lots of amateur have bought the D800 and we do like to change her mind a lot
Just have a look how many pro canon dslr are for sale on ffordes website since the new 1dx is out.

 

[Cagey75]

It's definitely more a want than a need thing. I'd probably feel all guilty after buying one, but if someone was eloping and selling off all their possessions and offering one up for say £2000 ... you'd have to,would be rude not to!

There's one on ebay UK at £2050 currently,after 7 bids, with under 2 days to go. No doubt that will soar in price.

The D3s still go for high-ish prices, if they'reover £2500, then you automatically start looking beyond it.

 

[Laudrup]

There have been D4s on the big used dealers sites. There's a 1DX on MPB and they have had a D4 or two on there before. Looking at them both and their reviews etc the Canon looks to have the edge. I wouldn't take either of them ahead of a D800 though, I hardly ever machine gun shoot pictures.

 

[fred2511]

Cheapest D4 i have seen going on Ebay is about 3500 and it was well used.

 

[Cagey75]

A second D800 would probably be wisest, if I was to buy a back up. Need more work maybe first. Got some jobs lined up over the next few months and a second body would be great. And the lens you could get on top of a D800 instead of splashing on a D4 would also be great too.

I should really stop being silly. It would take me a year to make back the money on a D4!

 

[fred2511]

A second D800 would probably be wisest, if I was to buy a back up. Need more work maybe first. Got some jobs lined up over the next few months and a second body would be great. And the lens you could get on top of a D800 instead of splashing on a D4 would also be great too.

I should really stop being silly. It would take me a year to make back the money on a D4!

Also buying it new with full Nikon warranty will be wiser on something costing more then 4K