Nikon D800 lens choice

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Going to order a D800 from Panamoz as they have give me a price of £1499 ( Thanks Tina ) which I feel represents value for money and what I need to know now is what lenses.


Initial Lens choice if money was not an issue as below but I really want to get myself use to the Nikon first coming from canon.

I have been reading the 50mm 1.8D is a cracking prime lens to start with and is better than its newer 50mm G series..

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens
 
Depends what you want to shoot. All good lenses. All do different jobs.
 
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens is superb on my D800, as are the 24-120 f4 VR and the 24 f1.4 - no complaints with the 14-24 f2.8 either.
Nikon also sold the D800 as a kit with the 28-300 so I assume that would also be suitable.
 
The 50mm 1.8G version is definitely better than the D, having bought both.
The 85 1.8G is also great value for money.

Both the 24-70 & 70-200 are cracking on the d800 also.

If money isn't an issue the 24-70 would definitely be a first buy for me as its such a great all round len's.


I would also re consider buying a d800 from HK how ever much cheaper it is, from what ive heard nikon wont touch it if there are any issues.
 
Please take everything I say below with a grain of salt, I am not the great expert, I am just a hobbyist. I'm just giving my opinion.

That said, IMHO all these zooms are good, the 14-24 and the 70-200 I think can even safely be called 'great'. I think in the 14-24 range, since the great primes are also very expensive, this zoom is even good value for the money. I don't have it, but I'd like to have it :) because I've seen its IQ and am impressed.

In the ~ 24-70 range, I personally use primes. I have both the Nikon 50mm f1.8D and the Nikon 50mm f1.8G. The G is generally sharper across a larger portion of the image, the D seems more pointed, and requires you to use the optimal settings to deliver best results. As for the other relevant IQ aspects, both lenses are very good. The G is IMHO easier to use, as it is equally good pretty much everywhere and at all settings, so you don't need to 'know' the lens so well to get optimal results.

I also use the Sigma 35mm f1.4 DG HSM. The IQ of this lens is stunning, and its sharpness makes it an ideal companion for the D800. I am very impressed with the image and build quality of this lens, and it is a lot cheaper than a comparable Nikon lens (and that Nikon lens is also not free of problems), and delivers IMHO almost unrivalled image quality. And with the Sigma USB dock you can adjust the focussing in great detail. But it has a few whims I first had to come to terms with.

First, that USB dock gives you three sliders for adjusting the range between 0 and approx. 4 ft. And then one more for all the rest. That seems unbalanced, especially as, as I will describe below, the lens would benefit from an additional slider for the range between 4ft and infinite.

Because (and this is the whim I mentioned above), if I set the lens up to focus perfectly at everything up to 2 or 3 meters, I get a quite pronounced backfocus at around 6 meters (version a). If I allow the lens to have a front focus of a few centimeters at 1.30 meters, everything beyond 2 or 3 meters is perfectly fine (version b). I have used the lens for a few weeks now using version b settings, and I have to say that in everyday use, none of this has so far become apparent. I only noticed it in test sessions. Also, I have been told that the D800 may show these issues more clearly than cameras with a lower resolution, and indeed, in images downsized to screen resolution, these issues are not as visible as at full resolution.

However, it seems that quite a few copies of this lens have focussing issues. The lens I described above is the second copy I have, the first one had the same symptoms, but more pronounced. This second copy creates perfect images in everyday use, the issues are not a problem when shooting on location, but if you buy this lens, you should maybe buy it in a shop where you can try two or three copies, or you should be prepared to send it back if you mailorder, and order a second copy, until you get a good copy.

A lot of people also say their first copy worked, I don't want to doubt that, maybe I just had bad luck. But there are others on Amazon who report of having had a bad copy, or even two, so I am apparently not the only one seeing these issues.

I also use the Nikon 85mm f1.8 G. It also offers excellent IQ across the entire image area, and at a very moderate price.

Regarding the 24-70 zoom, I've seen test images taken with this zoom compared to the highly acclaimed Tamron 24-70, which if you believe DXOmark is the sharpness king of all zooms. But those test images show that the trusty old Nikon AAMOF is sharp even up into the borders and corners, so in most of the image area, it is actually sharper than the Tamron, even if the Tamron beats it in the center in terms of sharpness.

It seems that this Nikon 24-70 can have issues with CAs. But there are also users who say it hasn't, so maybe a good shop where you can chose between different copies is again recommendable?
 
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There are several excellent options, just been through the same process having recently bought a D800 too.

I went with the 16-35 F4 for wide angle based on that I use Lee filters and the VR will be useful for travel

I went with the 70-200 F4 which is top notch, decided the smaller size/less weight and excellent VR was also ideal for travel which is probably when I'll use it most..by most accounts IQ is pretty much equal to the F2.8 version

Have the 50mm F1.8G to fill the gap which seems excellent too

Simon
 
The 50mm f/1.8 D is probably the best value for great quality Nikon lens EVER.

In terms of the Holy Trinity lenses you mention all 3 are big bucks so you need to decide what you are shooting to decide what you want to buy rather than blowing all your money in one go. I have a D700. I have bought secondhand and use:

1. Nikon 16-35m F/4 for landscape work. 14-24 f/2.8 will be very slightlt better quality but is heavy and due to the bulbous lens will not allow filters on the end
2. Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8. A work horse lens - excellent quality
3. Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 (mk2) Couldn't afford a 70-200 f/2.8 but its a pro lens and of great quality, doesn't have VR

Not sure of your photography skills / ability knowledge but the D800 will show up lens flaws if you use the non-pro type lenses, poor shooting skills, produce very large files. Do look out for images that are not in focus

Best investment you can really make is in the lenses, camera bodies come and go
 
Depends what you want to shoot. All good lenses. All do different jobs.

I would be shooting all different shoots from landscape to sport

The 50mm 1.8G version is definitely better than the D, having bought both.
The 85 1.8G is also great value for money.

Both the 24-70 & 70-200 are cracking on the d800 also.

If money isn't an issue the 24-70 would definitely be a first buy for me as its such a great all round len's.


I would also re consider buying a d800 from HK how ever much cheaper it is, from what ive heard nikon wont touch it if there are any issues.

I was thinking the 24-70 and a 50mm either the D or G version but wouldn't the 24-70 cover that range or are you saying the 50mm prime would be better and sharper also lots cheaper.

Can you elaborate where you have heard Nikon won't touch an import was this direct from Nikon ?

Please take everything I say below with a grain of salt, I am not the great expert, I am just a hobbyist. I'm just giving my opinion.

That said, IMHO all these zooms are good, the 14-24 and the 70-200 I think can even safely be called 'great'. I think in the 14-24 range, since the great primes are also very expensive, this zoom is even good value for the money. I don't have it, but I'd like to have it :) because I've seen its IQ and am impressed.

In the ~ 24-70 range, I personally use primes. I have both the Nikon 50mm f1.8D and the Nikon 50mm f1.8G. The G is generally sharper across a larger portion of the image, the D seems more pointed, and requires you to use the optimal settings to deliver best results. As for the other relevant IQ aspects, both lenses are very good. The G is IMHO easier to use, as it is equally good pretty much everywhere and at all settings, so you don't need to 'know' the lens so well to get optimal results.

I also use the Sigma 35mm f1.4 DG HSM. The IQ of this lens is stunning, and its sharpness makes it an ideal companion for the D800. I am very impressed with the image and build quality of this lens, and it is a lot cheaper than a comparable Nikon lens (and that Nikon lens is also not free of problems), and delivers IMHO almost unrivalled image quality. And with the Sigma USB dock you can adjust the focussing in great detail. But it has a few whims I first had to come to terms with.

First, that USB dock gives you three sliders for adjusting the range between 0 and approx. 4 ft. And then one more for all the rest. That seems unbalanced, especially as, as I will describe below, the lens would benefit from an additional slider for the range between 4ft and infinite.

Because (and this is the whim I mentioned above), if I set the lens up to focus perfectly at everything up to 2 or 3 meters, I get a quite pronounced backfocus at around 6 meters (version a). If I allow the lens to have a front focus of a few centimeters at 1.30 meters, everything beyond 2 or 3 meters is perfectly fine (version b). I have used the lens for a few weeks now using version b settings, and I have to say that in everyday use, none of this has so far become apparent. I only noticed it in test sessions. Also, I have been told that the D800 may show these issues more clearly than cameras with a lower resolution, and indeed, in images downsized to screen resolution, these issues are not as visible as at full resolution.

However, it seems that quite a few copies of this lens have focussing issues. The lens I described above is the second copy I have, the first one had the same symptoms, but more pronounced. This second copy creates perfect images in everyday use, the issues are not a problem when shooting on location, but if you buy this lens, you should maybe buy it in a shop where you can try two or three copies, or you should be prepared to send it back if you mailorder, and order a second copy, until you get a good copy.

A lot of people also say their first copy worked, I don't want to doubt that, maybe I just had bad luck. But there are others on Amazon who report of having had a bad copy, or even two, so I am apparently not the only one seeing these issues.

I also use the Nikon 85mm f1.8 G. It also offers excellent IQ across the entire image area, and at a very moderate price.

Regarding the 24-70 zoom, I've seen test images taken with this zoom compared to the highly acclaimed Tamron 24-70, which if you believe DXOmark is the sharpness king of all zooms. But those test images show that the trusty old Nikon AAMOF is sharp even up into the borders and corners, so in most of the image area, it is actually sharper than the Tamron, even if the Tamron beats it in the center in terms of sharpness.

It seems that this Nikon 24-70 can have issues with CAs. But there are also users who say it hasn't, so maybe a good shop where you can chose between different copies is again recommendable?

Thanks for the excellent reply and I was actually looking at the 35mm Sigma and looked on DXO before and it is rated very high in terms of sharpness.

I have read and heard of the issues with CAs and it does worry me a little and I don't think Canon had as much.

There are several excellent options, just been through the same process having recently bought a D800 too.

I went with the 16-35 F4 for wide angle based on that I use Lee filters and the VR will be useful for travel

I went with the 70-200 F4 which is top notch, decided the smaller size/less weight and excellent VR was also ideal for travel which is probably when I'll use it most..by most accounts IQ is pretty much equal to the F2.8 version

Have the 50mm F1.8G to fill the gap which seems excellent too

Simon

Hi Simon I was looking at F4 lenses but It would always be in the back of my mind I should have saved up a little more and got the 2.8 versions and but agree with you on regards to being just as sharp indeed they are at half the cost so your comments do make sense.

The 50mm f/1.8 D is probably the best value for great quality Nikon lens EVER.

In terms of the Holy Trinity lenses you mention all 3 are big bucks so you need to decide what you are shooting to decide what you want to buy rather than blowing all your money in one go. I have a D700. I have bought secondhand and use:

1. Nikon 16-35m F/4 for landscape work. 14-24 f/2.8 will be very slightlt better quality but is heavy and due to the bulbous lens will not allow filters on the end
2. Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8. A work horse lens - excellent quality
3. Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 (mk2) Couldn't afford a 70-200 f/2.8 but its a pro lens and of great quality, doesn't have VR

Not sure of your photography skills / ability knowledge but the D800 will show up lens flaws if you use the non-pro type lenses, poor shooting skills, produce very large files. Do look out for images that are not in focus

Best investment you can really make is in the lenses, camera bodies come and go

I am leaning towards the 24-70 F2.8 as it has excellent online reviews and praises from most people who own it but as you would like to try primes and it is a tossup from Nikon 50mm 1.8D 50mm 1.8 G and Nikon 85mm 1.8 G and the mighty Sigma 35mm all depends on if I get the 24-70mm f2.8 I suppose..
 
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I took delivery of a Tamron SP 70-200mm F/2.8 Di VC USD today.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Re...t-review-High-performance-and-excellent-value

Initial impressions on a claggy drizzly day are VERY positive but I haven't tried the Nikon equivalent (the £400+ saving was the deciding factor, reviews rate it highly, costs similar to the f4 nikon)

Quick back garden snapshot (crap light iso 400 (i think) 200mm f 5.6 ran it through a quick lr4.

lenstest.jpg
 
I have had great results with a 50mm 1.4g and an 85mm 1.4D, also surprisingly good results with a Sigma 20mm 2.8 bought for no money on here, similarly an old 28-80 £24 lens produces perfectly good images.
 
From personal experience I'd avoid the Nikon 24-70mm and go for a couple of fast primes to cover that focal range which should also produce sharper shots.
With the D800 you also have more cropping ability so a fixed focal range of primes becomes less of a burden.

Don't get me wrong the 24-70mm can produce sharp shots but go off centre I find it becomes unpredictable even at f8. I find it works better on a DX body than FX.
 
I would be shooting all different shoots from landscape to sport

Then you'll want all 3 ;)

Each of these lenses is the best zoom Nikon makes for its job. So if you shoot lots of wide angle landscapes then get the 14-24 and compromise elsewhere. If it's mostly distance stuff then get the 70-200. For general purpose (everything from moderately wide to portraits) get the 24-70.

Most people start with the 24-70 - but primes in this range are very affordable. The 200mm prime (for example) isn't so you may prefer the zoom tele.
 
As you want to do landscape to sport, really you do want all 3 lol but that will cost you a fortune.

Remember that the D800 is full frame, so for example a 70-200 on a crop sensor will be more zoomed in.

The 24-70 would be a good starter for you in my opinion because you have the 24mm wider-angle for landscapes, and could use the 70 for sports I guess.

But the 14-24 will be good for landscapes but not sports.
The 70-200 will be good for sports but not landscapes.

So really the 24-70 is ideal out of the options for you if you had to pick just one in my opinion. It's an all rounder really as it's just between the other 2 lenses you've put up.

Hope it helps =].
 
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I would love the 3 trinity lens collection but expensive like anything I suppose you get what you pay for in life.

I will do some more homework and see what range I will be using the most and make my decision based on that and funds permitting.

Is it true what Pmac says above that Nikon won't touch the camera if its an import as that's quite worrying. I know Panomoz collect the item if it goes faulty and it is repaired in the UK to save long waits.
 
Is it true what Pmac says above that Nikon won't touch the camera if its an import as that's quite worrying. I know Panomoz collect the item if it goes faulty and it is repaired in the UK to save long waits.

Price you pay for smuggling, innit?

Nikon used to repair "grey imports" (and probably still do) but not under warranty. I wouldn't really want anybody apart from Nikon or Fixation taking my camera to bits.
 
"Smuggling" NO but some sort of tax evasion more likely but we won't go there as i would like the thread kept on topic.

I wouldn't have a second thought buying from Panamoz and thousands of people who already have done on this very forum and 110% happy with there purchase and there after sales speaks volumes.
 
"Smuggling" NO but some sort of tax evasion more likely but we won't go there as i would like the thread kept on topic.

I wouldn't have a second thought buying from Panamoz and thousands of people who already have done on this very forum and 110% happy with there purchase and there after sales speaks volumes.

Lots of people are happy. Lots of people are smugglers.

verb (used with object)
1.
to import or export (goods) secretly, in violation of the law, especially without payment of legal duty.

It's an odd quirk of UK law that if Panamoz ship something to you without declaring it for duty then it's you that's doing the smuggling, not them.

Under customs law, you as the importer are legally responsible for the information on the declaration; therefore it is in your own interest to ensure, wherever possible, that the sender abroad completes the declaration accurately and in full.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...Travel_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000014#P20_1785

This has come up many times. People are never comfortable with the idea that failure to pay duty is smuggling, but call it what you like, the law's pretty clear.

I don't recall anybody ever getting in serious trouble over it but the penalties are pretty hefty and the UK government is short of money. It seems an obvious target.

Make your own mind up what you want to do. But I understand Nikon not wanting to provide warranties on smuggled goods.
 
One other to consider might be the 28mm 1.8. I have one and I think it is a brilliant lens but 28mm might not be to everyone's taste.

If primes only then I personally would go 28, 50 and 85 1.8 primes but that is just a preference thing. For landscape don't forget about older Ais lenses too, some of those still are both useful and cheap.

If you are not looking at primes then the 24-70 may be a good bet, but I have personally never used one so it would be best to listen to someone who has.
 
Lots of people are happy. Lots of people are smugglers.



It's an odd quirk of UK law that if Panamoz ship something to you without declaring it for duty then it's you that's doing the smuggling, not them.



http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...Travel_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000014#P20_1785

This has come up many times. People are never comfortable with the idea that failure to pay duty is smuggling, but call it what you like, the law's pretty clear.

I don't recall anybody ever getting in serious trouble over it but the penalties are pretty hefty and the UK government is short of money. It seems an obvious target.

Make your own mind up what you want to do. But I understand Nikon not wanting to provide warranties on smuggled goods.

The Government is short of money because of all the corruption which is going on plain and simple.

As above I wouldn't have a second thought of buying from Panamoz infact it would be my first choice so add me to the so called smugglers list.


Last time I looked i think they was about £250 more expensive than Panamoz .

My D600 is a grey import (bought from panamoz) and is currently with Nikon for a sensor clean under warranty.

That's good to know EspressoJunkie many thanks for the post.

One other to consider might be the 28mm 1.8. I have one and I think it is a brilliant lens but 28mm might not be to everyone's taste.

If primes only then I personally would go 28, 50 and 85 1.8 primes but that is just a preference thing. For landscape don't forget about older Ais lenses too, some of those still are both useful and cheap.

If you are not looking at primes then the 24-70 may be a good bet, but I have personally never used one so it would be best to listen to someone who has.

Still undecided between primes and zooms and so many good lenses to choose from either Nikon Brand or Sigma /Tamron and so on.
 
Thanks Peter and I would like to see the results of that cheap 21mm you bought when you get your D800 wink wink.
 
Nikon lenses come with a worldwide warranty. At least they used to last time i got a couple from abroad. Not sure their bodies do though.
 
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