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Shamelessly lifted from Nikon rumours.....What you reckon then?

The Nikon D800 book triggered a series of new tips and leads. Those are the most reliable rumors I received so far (please note that because a potential announcement is months away, some of the specs and/or release dates may change):

•The Nikon D700 replacement will be called D800, it will come with a new 24 MP sensor, new AF system, full HD, same noise (ISO) performance like the D700. The announcement should be in Summer of 2011 (which is later then what the D800 book suggested). This camera is aimed to be a direct competitor of the Canon 5D MarkII.
•The successor of the D3s will be called D4 and it will have 16 MP, 11 fps, full HD, new AF system and the same noise (ISO) performance like the D3s. The Nikon D4 should be announced in Spring of 2011. The D4x will follow with a 34MP sensor.
If true, this line up will indicate that Nikon will move away from the D3/mini D3 (D700) DSLR lines and create two more distinguished camera products. The D700 probably did cannibalize some of the D3 sales which (I guess) triggered that decision (otherwise they could continue to use the D3s/4 sensor in a D700 body).

No word on a D300s replacement yet.
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A little way off, but at some point next year I hope to upgrade, so looking at D300s or D700 replacement, or the D700.

Based on the above, I can rule out the D800 - the main reason for me to upgrade is to get better ISO and full frame niceness!! More MP... not really that fussed, D700 AF is decent so would probably do. So D700 it is!
 
D4x with 34mp, that's getting on for Hassy territory isn't it? Wonder how price will compare!

Can't wait for the D800 to come out. So I can buy a D700 and not have to pay silly money for it!

Honestly though, I think it's a good thing that Nikon are moving onto sort of second gen of full frame cameras as it'll hopefully bring the prices of used D3s and D700s more within the reach of students and emerging talent.

Surely it'll also do Nikon a world of good to be able to reach the part of the market that is currently only catered to by used Canon 1ds's and 5d mk1s.

I know that as much as I'm a staunch lover of Nikon, I'm seriously considering a 5dmk1 for a second body as there's just nothing that gets close to it in the used Nikon market.
5dmk1 + 70-200mm f4 L lens could easily be found for sub £1k. You're lucky to find a D700 body for less than £11-1200. I'm sure I'm not the only person realising that too.
 
andephotographic said:
Can't wait for the D800 to come out. So I can buy a D700 and not have to pay silly money for it!
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Not necessarily, if the D800 trades low light quality for MP (like the D3x) then the D700 will keep strong values, especially amongst those who use them for their high ISO capabilities (Wedding shooters spring to mind).
 
JasonRS said:
Not necessarily, if the D800 trades low light quality for MP (like the D3x) then the D700 will keep strong values, especially amongst those who use them for their high ISO capabilities (Wedding shooters spring to mind).
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Wouldn't switching the current D700 internals for a cut down verison of the D3x internal be a quick and easy task for Nikon, ie, it'd be out soon(er).
Hopefully the wait means it'll be something different, something to drive the prices down.
How long after the D3 did the D700 appear actually?
 
Nikon Rumours is not the most reliable source this far in advance. I am NOT saying that the information is wrong because at this moment I have no alternative information. I would however be surprised at the D800 having 50% more MP than the D4. The spec and timing of the D4 sounds reasonable and I was talking earlier about maybe grabbing one at Focus 2011. The spec of the D4x sounds reasonable too. If the D800 spec included 16MP or even 18MP then I would feel it was more likely.

We can only wait and see.
 
andephotographic said:
D4x with 34mp, that's getting on for Hassy territory isn't it? Wonder how price will compare!
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not unless the nikon will have at least 44x33mm sensor

Can't wait for the D800 to come out. So I can buy a D700 and not have to pay silly money for it!

Honestly though, I think it's a good thing that Nikon are moving onto sort of second gen of full frame cameras as it'll hopefully bring the prices of used D3s and D700s more within the reach of students and emerging talent.
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film camera for 50quid is more than enough :D

Surely it'll also do Nikon a world of good to be able to reach the part of the market that is currently only catered to by used Canon 1ds's and 5d mk1s.

I know that as much as I'm a staunch lover of Nikon, I'm seriously considering a 5dmk1 for a second body as there's just nothing that gets close to it in the used Nikon market.
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no exactly but - a kodak dcs pro , if you don't need to go over 320 iso or so.

5dmk1 + 70-200mm f4 L lens could easily be found for sub £1k. You're lucky to find a D700 body for less than £11-1200. I'm sure I'm not the only person realising that too.
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I don't think that 5d mkI and D700 are comparable. D700 is years ahead, but 5D is a real cracker as well. If only Canon had a nicer image noise ! :(
D700 will most certainly drop next few quid next year, not that long of a wait.
 
Starastin said:
not unless the nikon will have at least 44x33mm sensor
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I thought some Hassys used a 35mm sized sensor, on second thoughts, might have been thinking about 3rd party digital backs for Mamiya etc though.



Starastin said:
film camera for 50quid is more than enough :D
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I absolutely understand that it's not all about the kit but I'v had a D3 since about half way through 1st year of HND and I feel it's done me a lot of favours, having pro level kit of my own to use day in, day out. I was able to afford a D3 because I drank a lot less of my loan that a lot of others and made some other sacrifices.
Now in 3rd year of a BA there are still some people who don't have their own camera and who borrow various levels of kit (best being the 5d mk2) from the college and so only get to use it 1 day/night at at a time and often weeks between times. You can't say that in a technical experience manner (which I again understand isn't the be all and end all, a lot of it depends on what type of photography you want to do) these people aren't at a disadvantage. If more of my yeargroup were able to afford the likes of a D3 or D700 I think the standard of output would have been raised.



Starastin said:
no exactly but - a kodak dcs pro , if you don't need to go over 320 iso or so.
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I'm afraid my D3 doesn't spend that much of it's life at less than iso 640 and I have a 2.8 lens on it, I'd be using an f4 lens on the 5d if/when I get it.




Starastin said:
I don't think that 5d mkI and D700 are comparable. D700 is years ahead, but 5D is a real cracker as well. If only Canon had a nicer image noise ! :(
D700 will most certainly drop next few quid next year, not that long of a wait.
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Not used a D700 but it's pretty much a baby version of what I do use so imagine it'll be much the same.
I have also borrowed my girlfriends 5dmk1 for a few weddings and stuff where I reckoned I needed 2 cameras and I was VERY impressed with it. So much so that I'd stray from the big N for one.
 
Arkady said:
I can't justify my D3X over the D3, let along a 34mpi D4X camera...:shrug:
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I think if they push the price of D4X any higher than the D3X then I think they will start to loose costom to people jumping to the Mamyia and hasselblad systems as they seem to be coming down in price at a dramatic rate.

Stuart
 
stu_the_flat said:
I think if they push the price of D4X any higher than the D3X then I think they will start to loose costom to people jumping to the Mamyia and hasselblad systems as they seem to be coming down in price at a dramatic rate.

Stuart
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Absolutely. The new 31Mpx Hassleblad is now RRP £7500 so they would need to watch what they are doing there.....
 
Just checked and the RRP is £8700...... street price £7500
 
It is just one big waiting game. I think I will stick with the D700 for a while and enjoy it.
 
H4D-31 with 80mm lens £10,569 at calumet.......

minus £1500 VAT minus £4000 against tax....

£5000 :) you're tempted.....
 
D400 with a DX sensor would be more appealing to me. But the rumours of that dishearten me a little to be honest.

Would like a direct competitor to the 7D, the 300s is pretty close but could be better ;)
 
Well I wanted a D3s and D700, looks like I will get the D700 now and invest in a D4 when it comes out.
 
PeterCollins said:
D400 with a DX sensor would be more appealing to me. But the rumours of that dishearten me a little to be honest.

Would like a direct competitor to the 7D, the 300s is pretty close but could be better ;)
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The reality is that nobody is for certain what it will be like. Rumours sites are just that and often are more of a wish list. Google "rumours D300" and check that against the actually specs etc The rumour sites start to get a better idea in the last couple of month or so when the information starts to get leaked to people who are happy to spill the beans and then in the few days before launch we often get full details.
 
Assuming this has any real basis for a moment.....

Surely they would improve the high ISO performance against a two+ year old camera? Given that the D7000 supposedly has almost D700 high ISO performance with a crop sensor.
 
grum said:
Assuming this has any real basis for a moment.....

Surely they would improve the high ISO performance against a two+ year old camera? Given that the D7000 supposedly has almost D700 high ISO performance with a crop sensor.
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I would actually like to see some comparison shots of D7000 against D700 at 3200/6400 ISO to check this claim too.
 
I reckon these rumours sound about right.

I've been waiting for a Nikon announcement of a new full frame model that shoots full 1080 HD video for a while now (ie a direct 5DmkII competitor). This just aint good enough though Nikon, I'm not sure I can wait another 9 months/year.

As a result I'm seriously contemplating getting a D7000 released later this month. Apart from not being full frame, it does everything I want it to do in terms of video.

Do you chaps really think it's worth the wait just for full frame (when talking about the video aspects, which is my main concern here.)
 
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I'd like to see Nikon put in-body stabilisation into their next body.

This could be turned on to use with non-VR lenses- older telephoto's and primes eg 85mm.

Given that Nikon maintain that in-lens stabilisation is best, it could be turned off to use with those expensive lenses eg 300mm VR

It's the most effective thing they could do to increase brand share and although there are some issues around the continued production of expensive VR telephotos etc, I think the marketing department could conjour up some spiel as to why the two systems could co-exist on one body. It would also mean we don't have to wait on Nikon making a 300mm f4 VR lens;)

I'd also like them to sort movie mode out too- they're half way there now with the D7000 but it's still a bit half a*sed.

Right Nikon, I'll take that Head of Strategy job now:lol:
 
I may be way off here but isn't there a problem with these new camera's having video capabilities for the football sports toggers? I would think Nikon will be rolling out these cameras with this feature included thus making a large number of sports toggers either look at another brand for kit? either that or have to buy second hand or NOS :)
 
My computer would blow up with 34mp! In fact it would probably blow up with 16!!
 
I just hope video capability doesn't come at the detriment of other features.
I'd hate to think for instance that given a target rrp for the likes of the D800, the designers and developers would have to choose between uping the framerate to say 15fps on full sensor mode and making iso 6400 as noiseless as iso 200 or including full hd video.
 
I like the thought of a D800 as a second body...24mp with same iso cap as the D700(video a bonus)...if it has the Similar AF performance itll be a winner..Yes please:love:.

The D4 will just have to wait,They are just Rumours after all:suspect:
 
I'd love a 24mpx D800 but I'm thinking a 24mpx D800 would eat too much into the D3X market. Nikon have lost a sizable chunk of the market due to the 5D Mkii and that would be the only argument 'for'.

So Nikon, whaddya do?
 
Digifrog said:
I'd love a 24mpx D800 but I'm thinking a 24mpx D800 would eat too much into the D3X market. Nikon have lost a sizable chunk of the market due to the 5D Mkii and that would be the only argument 'for'.

So Nikon, whaddya do?
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+1.. I can't see nikon doubling from 12mp o 24mp... that's a huge jump.
 
existent said:
+1.. I can't see nikon doubling from 12mp o 24mp... that's a huge jump.
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Neither can I to be honest. I really do not need 11fps so if these specs were right I would buy a D800 rather than a D4 !
 
andephotographic said:
I thought some Hassys used a 35mm sized sensor, on second thoughts, might have been thinking about 3rd party digital backs for Mamiya etc though.
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Don't know if they still do but, the first MF digitals were ridiculously small I think.



I absolutely understand that it's not all about the kit but I'v had a D3 since about half way through 1st year of HND and I feel it's done me a lot of favours, having pro level kit of my own to use day in, day out. I was able to afford a D3 because I drank a lot less of my loan that a lot of others and made some other sacrifices.
Now in 3rd year of a BA there are still some people who don't have their own camera and who borrow various levels of kit (best being the 5d mk2) from the college and so only get to use it 1 day/night at at a time and often weeks between times. You can't say that in a technical experience manner (which I again understand isn't the be all and end all, a lot of it depends on what type of photography you want to do) these people aren't at a disadvantage. If more of my yeargroup were able to afford the likes of a D3 or D700 I think the standard of output would have been raised.
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don't know to be honest. people can still use film which nowadays if you look carefully can be found for nice prices. I mean - camera bodies + a neat lens.
in weddings and sports etc where you need to shoot a lot to not miss anything - digital is a must.

for example - I have a minolta 700si . I can put a roll of 50 velvia in it, expose it as iso 6, which is nuts ! the shutter speeds go up to 1/8000 and the list goes on with the tricks.
this is great if you don't need to shoot much and know what are you doing.


I'm afraid my D3 doesn't spend that much of it's life at less than iso 640 and I have a 2.8 lens on it, I'd be using an f4 lens on the 5d if/when I get it.
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Understandable if doing indoors ! :)


Not used a D700 but it's pretty much a baby version of what I do use so imagine it'll be much the same.
I have also borrowed my girlfriends 5dmk1 for a few weddings and stuff where I reckoned I needed 2 cameras and I was VERY impressed with it. So much so that I'd stray from the big N for one.
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lots of people have their preferences. would love to compare sony a900 vs nikon d700 vs canon 5d mkI/ mkII neck in neck.
 
cowasaki said:
H4D-31 with 80mm lens £10,569 at calumet.......

minus £1500 VAT minus £4000 against tax....

£5000 :) you're tempted.....
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Now that's the argument one could use with other half...a generous saving of over £5,000 over RRP:lol:
 
AF from d700 and 24mpix would be perfect match for me :)
I do still miss 5d2 mpix after switching to d700 ....
 
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