Nikon D7xxx owners thread

[gadgeteer]

Personally I think those who are wanting a D300 upgrade still should resign themselves to the fact it's incredibly unlikely to happen.

The number of models of cameras which Nikon currently have out now is already high. Anymore and it's bordering on ridiculous. It must be so confusing for consumers.

I expect the price of the D7100 to drop fairly quickly from the list price. It's a small jump to the D600 which obv would be a better bet.

For the right price I could be tempted to get a D7100 to replace my backup camera cum video camera.

 

[Cagey75]

You really have to use a d300 or d300s to appreciate its dedicated iso, qual buttons on the top aswell as af on button for thumb.

I'm with thom hogan and think if Nikon don't bring out a d400 then it's a sitter on their part, there is a massive crowd out there waiting for one, its long overdue and I cannot see them sitting back and let canon walk it.

The 7100 is not an upgrade for a d300s it's a compromise, give with one hand and take away with the other, just saying

I owned a D200, it's built identical to the D300. Yeah it's a fine body, feels really good and all that - but I've always been more into end result than how the gear feels. I traded that D200 in for a D90 - lighter, more plastic body, less on board control ... but ... it had better image quality and much, much better ISO performance. You have to compromise somewhere if you can't afford the pro-spec FX bodies. Sure,now I have what i always wanted, in the D800, but if I was still using DX I'd happily take a hit on structure for better output. The D7100 is going to be the best DX camera ever in terms of output. And let's be honest, unless you're throwing the camera around in muddy puddles ... it's more than tough enough.

Nikon seem to be putting a definitive gap between DX and FX, they're saying you can't have it all at one level, you're going to have to step up. It's a bit like it or lump it, but that's how it is. There won't be a D400, I would stake all i own on that.

What would they do with it? Make it tougher than a D600? Have it shoot as fast as a D4? Give it as many MP as the D800? They would shoot themselves in the foot no matter which way they tried vastly improve on the D300s.

 

[architectfadi]

I guess we have to wait and see what Canon will produce next with rumors of a 60D and 7D replacements to be announced soon.

 

[yamahatdm900]

That's because DX is probably on the way out. It's clear that FF sensors can be made cheaply enough to go into a sub £2K camera... and I reckon it's the way forward for Nikon. Look at the D800... it's good enough so that it's crop mode equals the D7000 as it is. If I was in control of R&D at Nikon, I'd be questioning whether we invest in developing another pro DX camera.

I'd be splitting development between FF cameras with ever better dynamic range, and light, mirror less systems for the lower end of the market. I'd even consider a Leica-like larger format in a SLR body for the really high end stuff.

I reckon DX has no viable future personally. I'd personally never go back to it.

Only time will tell if I'm right.

While i do agree with you here, Dx do outsell FF by a large margin and with regard to sales I do think nikon will miss out if they don't. There is a I think a sizeable market for a D400 and all it needs is this sensor the D4 a/f and a D800 size body and controls.
And if the new 7D does come out and Canon ticks all the boxes I wonder how many Motorsport and wildlife togs will jump ship.
Personally with Nikon Japan describing the D7100 as a mid entry DX body they will bring out the D400.

 

[Soulman]

Looks like a decent camera, not sure how well a lot of the lenses will hold up to it though.

As to DX being on the way out, I think this is a load of rubbish, people willing or able to spend £1500 on a body are in a tiny minority. DX will survive in smaller dslr bodies and mirrorless for a long time and outsell FX by a huge margin.

 

[terryt]

Can any one recommend a decent third party battery for the D7000? I usually use 7dayshop but they've stopped shipping them now.

 

[architectfadi]

Can any one recommend a decent third party battery for the D7000? I usually use 7dayshop but they've stopped shipping them now.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-EN-EL...JSM4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361521299&sr=8-1

for £33 I would get this original Nikon one.

 

[terryt]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-EN-EL...JSM4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361521299&sr=8-1

for £33 I would get this original Nikon one.

That's a good price if it is genuine but I hear fakes being sold even when fulfilled by amazon.

EDIT, just read a couple of the reviews and looks like there are fakes being sold on Amazon.

 

[architectfadi]

I bought one myself from a seller 'fulfilled by Amazon' and it was a genuine one. You can always email the seller and check and if you are still not happy with it after buying it you can always sent it back

 

[Pookeyhead]

You really have to use a d300 or d300s to appreciate its dedicated iso, qual buttons on the top aswell as af on button for thumb.

The D7000 and D7100 has buttons on the back that work in the same way.. press ISO and turn the command dial. What's the big deal? I find it no more difficult to do that than press the D800's top buttons and turn the command dial.

Personally I think those who are wanting a D300 upgrade still should resign themselves to the fact it's incredibly unlikely to happen.

This. ^^

I can't see Nikon investing in another pro level DX body any time soon.. if ever again.

While i do agree with you here, Dx do outsell FF by a large margin and with regard to sales I do think nikon will miss out if they don't. There is a I think a sizeable market for a D400 and all it needs is this sensor the D4 a/f and a D800 size body and controls.

Well.. if there was a sizeable market that would allow Nikon to turn a profit, I'm damned sure they'd be making the D400 now. The only people making a noise are the D300 owners. Get over it... it's clearly not going to happen. Nikon haven't released a pro build DX body in years, and don't seem likely to in the future. What does that tell you? If you don't like it, go and give your money to Canon instead This is a D7100 thread, not a soap box for disgruntled D300 owners.

And if the new 7D does come out and Canon ticks all the boxes I wonder how many Motorsport and wildlife togs will jump ship.

If it will make them shut up, then that's fine by me.

Personally with Nikon Japan describing the D7100 as a mid entry DX body they will bring out the D400.

Unlikely. I don't think we'll see another pro DX body from Nikon. If you want the reach of DX with a long lens, just put a D800 into crop mode. Why carry two cameras when you can carry one? "Oh but it's too slow" you'll all cry.. well... maybe THAT'S where the gap in the range actually is then, huh?

It's been getting on for 4 years since the last pro DX release.... face it.. probably not going to happen. The D300 replacement WILL come... but it will not be a DX camera... it will be a faster pro build FX version because at the moment, that's what's missing.

As to DX being on the way out, I think this is a load of rubbish,

In the pro market I reckon it already is... people just don't realise it yet... like chickens with their heads cut off... the realisation hasn't dawned on them. In the consumer market, long term, yeah I reckon it's days are numbered. FF SLRs will continue to get cheaper, and I reckon before long you'll see a D**** series camera with a FX chip in it, and then that really will be the first nail in DX's coffin.


Like I said.. time will tell if I'm right or not.

 

[LongLensPhotography]

In the pro market I reckon it already is... people just don't realise it yet... like chickens with their heads cut off... the realisation hasn't dawned on them. In the consumer market, long term, yeah I reckon it's days are numbered. FF SLRs will continue to get cheaper, and I reckon before long you'll see a D**** series camera with a FX chip in it, and then that really will be the first nail in DX's coffin.

Wow, quite a comparison there

It is all and well about the sensor development, but not necessarily about lenses. DX glass will always be smaller and cheaper, which may just keep APS-C alive in the very low end. I am not sure uncle Bob will jump in straight to 24-70mm f/2.8, he might just get a cheapo small 18-55 f/5.6

Mirrorless is another part of equation. It is NOT ready now, but one day the EVF will catch up.

 

[architectfadi]

They should D7100 should be on display at Focus on Imaging next week. I would have loved to be there but just too busy these coming weeks

 

[mikeysaling]

Are any companies taking orders for the d7100 ? and at what price?

nb sorry if this has been asked before in other parts of the forum.

 

[architectfadi]

its £1099 body only and £1299 with 18-105lens

I think thats the price at any shop now, parkcameras, wex, amazon ...

 

[Deleted member 49549]

Well.. if there was a sizeable market that would allow Nikon to turn a profit, I'm damned sure they'd be making the D400 now. The only people making a noise are the D300 owners. Get over it... it's clearly not going to happen. Nikon haven't released a pro build DX body in years, and don't seem likely to in the future. What does that tell you? If you don't like it, go and give your money to Canon instead This is a D7100 thread, not a soap box for disgruntled D300 owners.

David,

i generally enjoy your posts, but don't enjoy being told by you what subjects i can and cannot discuss in a public forum

There have been many discussions regarding the d7000 replacement mentioning the possibility of it moving significantly up market to be seen as a d300s replacement. That hasn't happened, and this thread seems like a good place to discuss that.

Bye!

EDIT

To try and get this back on track, as you have used the d7000 and the pro bodied nikons, could you take astab at my questions in post 98? CHeers

 

[TheTimeChamber]

I personally feel that Nikon have looked at how popular full frame is becoming, and how many people who have made the jump professionally, and come to the decision that a fully pro DX camera is required in the market place any more

The D7000 and D7100 has buttons on the back that work in the same way.. press ISO and turn the command dial. What's the big deal? I find it no more difficult to do that than press the D800's top buttons and turn the command dial.

And you can customise the button layout to include the AF-on function everyone is crying about.

It also has the same level of weather sealing as the D800, which is comparable to the D300.

As for FPS, I have never found my current D7000 to be lacking in the few times I have needed to use it.

 

[Gary Coyle]

The D7000 and D7100 has buttons on the back that work in the same way.. press ISO and turn the command dial. What's the big deal? I find it no more difficult to do that than press the D800's top buttons and turn the command dial.





This. ^^

I can't see Nikon investing in another pro level DX body any time soon.. if ever again.




Well.. if there was a sizeable market that would allow Nikon to turn a profit, I'm damned sure they'd be making the D400 now. The only people making a noise are the D300 owners. Get over it... it's clearly not going to happen. Nikon haven't released a pro build DX body in years, and don't seem likely to in the future. What does that tell you? If you don't like it, go and give your money to Canon instead This is a D7100 thread, not a soap box for disgruntled D300 owners.




If it will make them shut up, then that's fine by me.



Unlikely. I don't think we'll see another pro DX body from Nikon. If you want the reach of DX with a long lens, just put a D800 into crop mode. Why carry two cameras when you can carry one? "Oh but it's too slow" you'll all cry.. well... maybe THAT'S where the gap in the range actually is then, huh?

It's been getting on for 4 years since the last pro DX release.... face it.. probably not going to happen. The D300 replacement WILL come... but it will not be a DX camera... it will be a faster pro build FX version because at the moment, that's what's missing.






In the pro market I reckon it already is... people just don't realise it yet... like chickens with their heads cut off... the realisation hasn't dawned on them. In the consumer market, long term, yeah I reckon it's days are numbered. FF SLRs will continue to get cheaper, and I reckon before long you'll see a D**** series camera with a FX chip in it, and then that really will be the first nail in DX's coffin.


Like I said.. time will tell if I'm right or not.

Are you on the rag today David

 

[maninsuitcase]

It's been getting on for 4 years since the last pro DX release.... face it.. probably not going to happen. The D300 replacement WILL come... but it will not be a DX camera... it will be a faster pro build FX version because at the moment, that's what's missing.

No it's not, it's called a D4. The D700 was massively popular but I am sure it hit D3(s) sales pretty hard, I highly doubt that they would make the same mistake again.

Want DX pro get a D800 stick it in DX crop. Want speed get a D4 (or a used D3). Sadly that's how I see Nikon going on this one.

 

[architectfadi]

I personally feel that Nikon have looked at how popular full frame is becoming, and how many people who have made the jump professionally, and come to the decision that a fully pro DX camera is required in the market place any more

I agree. If you look at the D600 and the D7100. Apart from sensor size the D7100 has better features than the D600 but still sits second below the D600 on the Nikon website.

 

[TonyNI]

This camera looks pretty sweet. It's taken the biggest issue the D7000 had (AF) and looks like they have given it the D800/D4 AF. Only thing I don't like the look of is it keeping the D7000s meter, wasn't overly keen on it but once you get accustomed to it it's not too bad so could probably live with that. I doubt I'll ever buy it as if I want DX reach I have it at the press of a button on the D800 and still 16mp

2 cameras in one, can't beat that

 

[Pookeyhead]

I am not sure uncle Bob will jump in straight to 24-70mm f/2.8, he might just get a cheapo small 18-55 f/5.6

Mirrorless is another part of equation. It is NOT ready now, but one day the EVF will catch up.

Well... not too long ago.. ALL SLRs were full frame.. they used 35mm film. There were cheaper lenses available then, and there will be again if FF makes it into the D**** range of cameras... which it will.

Bye!

Why do people always end with that when they're ranting?

See you then

The irony is, you then go on to suggest we get the thread back on track... which is exactly what I am trying to do.... about the D7100, not the D400... which doesn't exist. As for D300/D7100 upgrade... well, it's not meant to be one, but is a viable option?..

• no rear af-on. i can use the ae lock instead, but i assume i no longer have a way af locking the exposure?
• ISO, qual and WBbuttons are no longer present, but is it any more difficult to press the relevant button on the back instead?
• buffer size and shooting speed
• better live view implementation in d7000

No rear AF is the only omission that I would miss, but you can reprogramme the AE-lock button to perform the same task. This does mean you have no AE lock, but that's far less useful than AF On IMO.

ISO, Qual and WB buttons are present... they're just in a different place, and it's no more difficult to use these than it was on the D300.

Buffer size and shooting speed is the other main concern. Smaller buffer, and slower speeds. If you need it a large buffer and faster speeds (8fps on the D300 with the grip) then perhaps the D7100 is not for you.

Better Live View on the D7000? Do you mean the D7000's live view is better than the D7100? What makes you think that? If you mean The D7000/7100's live view is better than the D300s, then yes, it is... much better.

Out of the points you address, only AF On and buffer/speed would be cause for reflection before buying a D7100.

At the end of the day though... this was clearly not intended to be a replacement for the D300s.

No it's not, it's called a D4.

The D4 does not address the need for a smaller, less expensive, fast FX camera. Clearly that need exists, or so many people wouldn't have bought a D700. The D4 is clearly made to address a small niche, hence it's price. Only press, wildlife and sports photographers will really consider the D4. Those that need it, will buy it, and it's clearly priced accordingly. The fact that the D700 was so massively popular, with everyone, would indicate profits made from that camera probably far outweighed losses on D3 sales, as D3 sales would never be massive anyway.

[edit]

Also... to an extent, they've done just the same thing already with the D800. For most people, the D800 is regarded as the flagship SLR now.. it's certainly the one most would prefer to own over the D4.

The D700 was massively popular but I am sure it hit D3(s) sales pretty hard, I highly doubt that they would make the same mistake again.

Assuming it WAS a mistake.

Want DX pro get a D800 stick it in DX crop. Want speed get a D4 (or a used D3). Sadly that's how I see Nikon going on this one.

I reckon there will be a D800s (or something similar) within 18 months.

I agree. If you look at the D600 and the D7100. Apart from sensor size the D7100 has better features than the D600 but still sits second below the D600 on the Nikon website.

It's just the usual Nikon hierarchy. D**** = consumer, D*** = pro/prosumer, D* = Pro. Silly I know... but that's the way it is.

Does it matter if your camera is "professional" or not? If it does what you want it to, then it's the right camera for you despite how Nikon classify it.

 

[architectfadi]

Does it matter if your camera is "professional" or not? If it does what you want it to, then it's the right camera for you despite how Nikon classify it.

Well said

 

[Deleted member 49549]

No rear AF is the only omission that I would miss, but you can reprogramme the AE-lock button to perform the same task. This does mean you have no AE lock, but that's far less useful than AF On IMO.

ISO, Qual and WB buttons are present... they're just in a different place, and it's no more difficult to use these than it was on the D300.

Buffer size and shooting speed is the other main concern. Smaller buffer, and slower speeds. If you need it a large buffer and faster speeds (8fps on the D300 with the grip) then perhaps the D7100 is not for you.

Better Live View on the D7000? Do you mean the D7000's live view is better than the D7100? What makes you think that? If you mean The D7000/7100's live view is better than the D300s, then yes, it is... much better.

Out of the points you address, only AF On and buffer/speed would be cause for reflection before buying a D7100.

At the end of the day though... this was clearly not intended to be a replacement for the D300s.

Thanks for taking the time to answer. Re the final point - it may well be a d300 replacement for me!

Bye!

 

[Pookeyhead]

I think it would make a good one, yes. I just meant that wasn't Nikon's intent for it If you don't need a potential 8fps or a larger buffer, I can't see why you wouldn't be delighted with it.


Go buy one

Then wait for Adobe to release as ACR update and Lightroom update to actually use your RAW files!.. that's the main reason I never jump on a new release straight away... I hate that Nikon software.

 

[Deleted member 49549]

I think it would make a good one, yes. I just meant that wasn't Nikon's intent for it If you don't need a potential 8fps or a larger buffer, I can't see why you wouldn't be delighted with it.


Go buy one

Then wait for Adobe to release as ACR update and Lightroom update to actually use your RAW files!.. that's the main reason I never jump on a new release straight away... I hate that Nikon software.

The initial price premium is the main reason i won't be an early adopter.....If the d600 price dive is anything to go by, 6 weeks after launch is a reasonable time to buy. Only problem is i am also saving for a holiday at that time...

 

[specialman]

....

• no rear af-on. i can use the ae lock instead, but i assume i no longer have a way af locking the exposure?
• ISO, qual and WBbuttons are no longer present, but is it any more difficult to press the relevant button on the back instead?
• buffer size and shooting speed
• better live view implementation in d7000

Don't use AF-ON/rear button focussing so can't comment there.

ISO, QUAL and WB buttons are all on the rear next to the LCD and are controlled by pressing them and rotating the rear command dial. Very easy.

Live view on the D7000 is a lever on the rear, just next to where your thumb rest on the rear command dial. Flick the lever and liveview is on. Press the button in the centre of the lever and you're recording a movie. Very, very easy....

Shooting speed is 6fps.

I've hit the buffer when rattling off loads of shots in 12-bit raw and I think it's about 11 shots. Change to JPEG and it increases sizeably.

 

[Deleted member 49549]

Don't use AF-ON/rear button focussing so can't comment there.

ISO, QUAL and WB buttons are all on the rear next to the LCD and are controlled by pressing them and rotating the rear command dial. Very easy.

Live view on the D7000 is a lever on the rear, just next to where your thumb rest on the rear command dial. Flick the lever and liveview is on. Press the button in the centre of the lever and you're recording a movie. Very, very easy....

Shooting speed is 6fps.

I've hit the buffer when rattling off loads of shots in 12-bit raw and I think it's about 11 shots. Change to JPEG and it increases sizeably.

Cheers Pat.

 

[Philx1979]

i most likely wouldn`t buy a d400 anyway as im happy with my d300s and d90 and just had a baby boy so money is not as luxury as used to be, but still think the pro `thom hogan`is right in saying the market is missing a d400, canon ARE going to bring out their version of the d400 and it would be a shocker for nikon to miss out on this.

thom hogan is a nikon expert i value his comments.

Pookeyhead dont go telling people to get over it, its a free speech forum you say your piece so let others say theirs.

 

[maninsuitcase]

Don't use AF-ON/rear button focussing so can't comment there.

ISO, QUAL and WB buttons are all on the rear next to the LCD and are controlled by pressing them and rotating the rear command dial. Very easy.

Live view on the D7000 is a lever on the rear, just next to where your thumb rest on the rear command dial. Flick the lever and liveview is on. Press the button in the centre of the lever and you're recording a movie. Very, very easy....

Shooting speed is 6fps.

I've hit the buffer when rattling off loads of shots in 12-bit raw and I think it's about 11 shots. Change to JPEG and it increases sizeably.

I use AF on on my D7000, don't miss AE lock, that's what manual is for.
WB/ISO/Qual buttons are all there, just in different places, but I do use easy ISO mode in Aperture priority which is even less effort. Also who actually changes the quality much?

FPS of 6 is probably fine for most people, I find it a bit of a handful still. If you really need more and can't afford a D4 maybe a used D3 is the way forward.

Buffer is 10-11 using 14bit raws, about 20s to clear. 12Bit raw or lossy compressed will get you 1 or 2 frames each also. However stick it on large JPG fine and with a decent card it will write faster than it's taking them and you will carry on right up to the silly hard shot limit.

The poor 6 frame buffer on this new D7100 basically means, for me at least, I'd rather have a D7000 as I can get about 2.5 ish seconds of action before the buffers done, not 1. Also I won't have just filled up a card in 20s flat.

The D4 does not address the need for a smaller, less expensive, fast FX camera. Clearly that need exists, or so many people wouldn't have bought a D700. The D4 is clearly made to address a small niche, hence it's price. Only press, wildlife and sports photographers will really consider the D4. Those that need it, will buy it, and it's clearly priced accordingly. The fact that the D700 was so massively popular, with everyone, would indicate profits made from that camera probably far outweighed losses on D3 sales, as D3 sales would never be massive anyway.

[edit]

Also... to an extent, they've done just the same thing already with the D800. For most people, the D800 is regarded as the flagship SLR now.. it's certainly the one most would prefer to own over the D4.

Assuming it WAS a mistake.

That's a fair point actually, D700 sales probably more than made up the difference. A smaller faster FX would probably hurt the D800 more than a D4. Maybe a D800H is what is needed. An equal level model with different priorities to the D800(E) but priced similarly.

 

[new2me]

Hello. I forgot about this, but why cant I turn my bracketing off? I have selected 0F for number of shots, but it still shoots 3 times when on timer mode.
I remember fiddling about with it months ago, but haven't used the timer since.

 

[maninsuitcase]

Hello. I forgot about this, but why cant I turn my bracketing off? I have selected 0F for number of shots, but it still shoots 3 times when on timer mode.
I remember fiddling about with it months ago, but haven't used the timer since.

In the menu somewhere there's an option to fire x times when the timer is done, sounds like that's currently set to 3.

 

[new2me]

Cheers Chris

 

[terryt]

I bought one myself from a seller 'fulfilled by Amazon' and it was a genuine one. You can always email the seller and check and if you are still not happy with it after buying it you can always sent it back

I'll give it a chance, cheers!

 

[maninsuitcase]

Cheers Chris

If you can't find it its custom setting c3.

 

[tonyfish]

Interest post over on the DP Review forums re the DX line of cameras.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50901841

 

[architectfadi]

Interest post over on the DP Review forums re the DX line of cameras.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50901841

Very interesting indeed

 

[Soda Farl]

D400 its on.

 

[Phil Young]

Interest post over on the DP Review forums re the DX line of cameras.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50901841

I really hope that is announced soon so the D7100 haters here get to eat their own hats lol.

Everyone gets funny with Nikon rumors for speculating and the majority of this thread is about people saying there won't be a D300s successor lol. Funny.

 

[tonyfish]

Give's a little more hope. By the time I have the money together for a new camera I should have a better picture.

 

[architectfadi]

D400 its on.

I wonder if it will sit between the D800 and the D600?