Nikon D7xxx owners thread

Phil Young said:
But an f5.6 lens will take a 1.4x converter and still retain center AF point as the maximum aperture would now be f8.
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Yes, but a Nikon TC-14E II will not physically fit the Nikon 55-300. There's a tab on the TC to stop you. The reason is the TC would hit the rear element so they put a mechanism in place to stop you damaging things.
 
Pookeyhead said:
Isn't it faster when shooting crop mode?
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by 1fps.

AFAIK cropping in post delivers the exact same result as cropping on camera.

And Phil, I meant using a TC, and then cropping in post. Not crop in post Vs Tc + on-cam crop.
 
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Phil Young said:
So get a kenko / sigma??? Or use a different 300mm lens...
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As far as I am aware the Sigma/Kenko convertors would fit, but you still have the potential for damage.

Nikon don't make any 5.6 300s that take a TC as far as I am aware of. So you are now looking at 300 f4 or 2.8 from Nikon or Simga 120-300, which are all north of £1000 + the teleconvertor (which is about £305 alone). Needless to say that last sentence is the primary hold back for aspiring wildlife photographers like myself. I am also ignoring the years of practising of field craft.

Besides a 1.3x crop into a 24MP DX sensor is serious pixel density. If you're not using high quality lenses this will show up REALLY fast once looked at at 100%/printed to a reasonable size. That's before you compound the issue by throwing on a teleconvertor.
 
Cagey75 said:
by 1fps.

AFAIK cropping in post delivers the exact same result as cropping on camera.

And Phil, I meant using a TC, and then cropping in post. Not crop in post Vs Tc + on-cam crop.
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You're right, it does, but it also allows more shots into the buffer before you're at the mercy of your SD card. It's not about achieving an image you can't get by cropping into the full image post shoot, it's about allowing faster shooting and a bigger buffer, which may be important for certain types of shooting.
 
Pookeyhead said:
You're right, it does, but it also allows more shots into the buffer before you're at the mercy of your SD card. It's not about achieving an image you can't get by cropping into the full image post shoot, it's about allowing faster shooting and a bigger buffer, which may be important for certain types of shooting.
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I suspect what you gain in file size you'll loose in FPS when it comes to the buffer.
 
Question to those who have experience of both the D7000 and D300.

Controls and feature-wise, what of significance to you was missing on the D7000?

I am considering replacing my d300s with a d7100 and am curious as to what the real world differences in use are.

Things i am aware of:-

  • no rear af-on. i can use the ae lock instead, but i assume i no longer have a way af locking the exposure?
  • ISO, qual and WBbuttons are no longer present, but is it any more difficult to press the relevant button on the back instead?
  • buffer size and shooting speed
  • better live view implementation in d7000
 
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maninsuitcase said:
As far as I am aware the Sigma/Kenko convertors would fit, but you still have the potential for damage.

Nikon don't make any 5.6 300s that take a TC as far as I am aware of. So you are now looking at 300 f4 or 2.8 from Nikon or Simga 120-300, which are all north of £1000 + the teleconvertor (which is about £305 alone). Needless to say that last sentence is the primary hold back for aspiring wildlife photographers like myself. I am also ignoring the years of practising of field craft.

Besides a 1.3x crop into a 24MP DX sensor is serious pixel density. If you're not using high quality lenses this will show up REALLY fast once looked at at 100%/printed to a reasonable size. That's before you compound the issue by throwing on a teleconvertor.
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Come on, solutions not problems!

Nikon has implemented some great things there to help improve images. It's up to us to find the right lens combinations to utilize. There will be good 300mm 5.6 lenses that will accept a tele - might need a bit of research but I'm sure there will be options.

This mode is also amazing for macro work. The crop mode will make framing your subject that much easier.
 
rjbell said:
They always say that though don't they?:)
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I think in the case of the D3200 and D5200 it has been verified. The D5200 has a Toshiba sensor. Although I do wonder if this is just because the articulating screen means the sensor has to be slimmer.

I think it's a shame that the D400 is looking unlikely. I'm currently shooting with a D200 and the D7000 (and I assume the D600) just isn't as good ergonomically for me. I also like having a nice big buffer (I came from a D60!).
 
terryt said:
Unless high noise performance or auto focus speed is dramatically better than the D7000 I see no point upgrading.
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It's hard to see how it'll be less noisy with 50% more pixels on the sensor.
 
Personally i think its a poor show on nikons part, with the canon 7d mk2 in the pipeline, nikon will have to release a d400 to compete to it or lose the dx competition, i know its said the d7100 is the flagship camera but i wont believe that they would leave it at that.

Read thom hogans view on it (www.bythom.com)

he said there is still a massive gap and loads of customers with money ready for a d400,
some serious flaws like smaller buffer than the d7000.

To me it sound like nikon is wavering in the dslr wars with canon, and whats with their bloody naming? a d3200, d5200 alongside a d7100 hhmmm.

I love nikon and dont think i`ll ever change as its the photographer who makes great pictures and dont matter what camera you have, but in terms of canon v nikon wars, i think canon is taking the lead.
 
munkee said:
It's hard to see how it'll be less noisy with 50% more pixels on the sensor.
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....Do you not remember when the D800 was announced? How everyone had the same suspicions and then upon using it, went to something like "I'm surprised how good it is at noise handling"...

I found it quite funny at the time because people wasn't actually saying "I was wrong, it's much better" but swapping the word "wrong" for "surprised" lol.

I'm sure it will be just as good if not better than the D7000 - I don't think Nikon have released an update that is inferior in ISO noise?
 
Rapscallion said:
Ian, I think that the d800e does have an Aa Filter but has a way of negating it, whereas the 7100 doors away with it entirely.
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Looks like you're almost right - certainly closer to the mark that me! I've read that data sheet so many times now and managed to mis-interpret what it says every time - d'oh! :bang:

To quote Nikon: "Modified to deliver unprecedented sharpness, its 36.3 megapixel FX-format sensor features an optical low pass filter with anti-aliasing properties removed."
 
Pookeyhead said:
I've just noticed something very appealing about this camera.

1080i 60fps.

That has some really nice creative possibilities for anyone interesting in video. That alone WOULD make it worth upgrading from a D7000 is you're into video.
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You sure it was i and not p?
Who wants an interlaced frame format these days?
By the time it's converted to progressive for progressive scan panels it's likely to be displayed on, you've not got much more than 810 vertical lines of resolution.
May as well stick with 720p in that case.
 
PJ S said:
You sure it was i and not p?
Who wants an interlaced frame format these days?
By the time it's converted to progressive for progressive scan panels it's likely to be displayed on, you've not got much more than 810 vertical lines of resolution.
May as well stick with 720p in that case.
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It will also be 50i not 60 since we are pal. Doesn't look like there's an option to change it unlike canon which would be ridiculous if true.

Anyway it's still better for slow motion video but for me, it's nothing exciting until it reaches 100+ fps. That's where the fun is :)
 
Ughhhh. I'm not in the market to spend £1100 on a camera body, so i'm not interested in the D7100. I am currently on the market to buy a D7000 though (i.e: today). Conundrum - just go ahead and buy it, or wait even longer for the price to drop, hopefully.

I'm sick of waiting.
 
PJ S said:
You sure it was i and not p?
Who wants an interlaced frame format these days?
By the time it's converted to progressive for progressive scan panels it's likely to be displayed on, you've not got much more than 810 vertical lines of resolution.
May as well stick with 720p in that case.
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yeah its 1080i in that reference
from what i can tell, it does 1080p at 30fps, 720p at 60fps
or 1080i at 60fps when in 1.3x crop mode
 
Phil Young said:
It will also be 50i not 60 since we are pal. Doesn't look like there's an option to change it unlike canon which would be ridiculous if true.
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On the D7000 you get the right one depending on if you set the camera as PAL or NTSC. Probably he same here.

Edit: At least I think, I stuck it on 24p and left it.
 
Phil Young said:
It will also be 50i not 60 since we are pal.
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Nope. Makes no difference. I can shoot at 60fps on my D800 and play it back anywhere. It's just a digital video signal... the whole PAL/NTSC/SECAM thing is pretty much a thing of the past since digital TV. We still broadcast in 50i here, but you can play a 60i video signal on any TV or computer device with a digital input.

Incidentally, I have PAL set on my camera and can still record in 60i... and play it back at 60i.
 
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It's immaterial if it's 50 PAL or 60 NTSC, 1080i is a non-resolution when the playback equipment is capable of 1080p at 24 (film) or 25/30.
It's a broadcast only standard, and as said, equates to 810 lines of vertical resolution, which is more critical than the horizontal resolution, due to how our eyes work.
So pointless even bothering with it, by and large - esp on fast moving action.
Works best for drama, and other such slow paced shoots.
 
Pookeyhead said:
Nope. Makes no difference. I can shoot at 60fps on my D800 and play it back anywhere. It's just a digital video signal... the whole PAL/NTSC/SECAM thing is pretty much a thing of the past since digital TV. We still broadcast in 50i here, but you can play a 60i video signal on any TV or computer device with a digital input.

Incidentally, I have PAL set on my camera and can still record in 60i... and play it back at 60i.
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That's good to know you can choose. The DP review made it look like depend on your country it will be set at xx frame rate.
 
PJ S said:
You sure it was i and not p?
Who wants an interlaced frame format these days?
By the time it's converted to progressive for progressive scan panels it's likely to be displayed on, you've not got much more than 810 vertical lines of resolution.
May as well stick with 720p in that case.
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May have been.. can't remember now.. my point was that this 50fps = PAL and 60fps = NTSC is redundant as most devices play either.
 
ohms12 said:
Ughhhh. I'm not in the market to spend £1100 on a camera body, so i'm not interested in the D7100. I am currently on the market to buy a D7000 though (i.e: today). Conundrum - just go ahead and buy it, or wait even longer for the price to drop, hopefully.

I'm sick of waiting.
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Ditto - I am still looking for a bargain D7000, hopefully the price will drop in the coming weeks ;).

Sam
 
Well, I'm happy with this news, looking 6 months into the future for my 40th birthday I'll be upgrading from my d3100, was looking at the d7000 but this looks like it'll do me :).....That should give it time to come down in price a bit as well, or even have a d300 replacement announcement (although unlikely)
 
milster said:
Well, I'm happy with this news, looking 6 months into the future for my 40th birthday I'll be upgrading from my d3100, was looking at the d7000 but this looks like it'll do me :).....That should give it time to come down in price a bit as well, or even have a d300 replacement announcement (although unlikely)
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Re D400, who knows. Thom Hogan thinks there's still a chance. If there is a d400, it must be quite serious / high-spec camera to differentiate it from the d7100. I can't see Nikon releasing a D300s type body with the D7100 internals and better speed, it will have to be more than that. What that more is i have no idea....
 
Also, with the auto focus sensitive down to f8 (as I understand it?) would this mean that the Sigma 150-500mm would potentially work with a 1.4 teleconverter?
 
Rapscallion said:
Re D400, who knows. Thom Hogan thinks there's still a chance. If there is a d400, it must be quite serious / high-spec camera to differentiate it from the d7100. I can't see Nikon releasing a D300s type body with the D7100 internals and better speed, it will have to be more than that. What that more is i have no idea....
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Nikon might be holding out for a killer top spec 7d II or the baby 1Dx. Should this happen D400 may come out one day. Don't expect either one to sell cheap.
 
Rapscallion said:
Re D400, who knows. Thom Hogan thinks there's still a chance. If there is a d400, it must be quite serious / high-spec camera to differentiate it from the d7100. I can't see Nikon releasing a D300s type body with the D7100 internals and better speed, it will have to be more than that. What that more is i have no idea....
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You never know. That is more or less what the D300/S was to the D90 and they sold side by side so there is a precedent. Think I'd rather see a revised 16mp sensor in there with monster frame rate, call it a mini D4 if you like. Pipe dream, I know :)

Still very sceptical it will happen at all though.
 
daugirdas said:
Nikon might be holding out for a killer top spec 7d II or the baby 1Dx. Should this happen D400 may come out one day. Don't expect either one to sell cheap.
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I would have thought that the development time to bring a camera to market would mean that they can't afford to be reactive. I just don't think it's on the menu at all.
 
Phil Young said:
Not in AF. 150-500 has a maximum aperture of f6.3 that would make it an f9 lens with a 1.4x
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Oh well, that would have been nice. Although I'm sure I read somewhere when I bought it that I tricks the camera into thinking it's a F5.6 as I'm sure my d3100 is only sensitive to f5.6, might have that completely wrong though :)

At least it'll have the extra 1.3 anyway :)
 
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I suppose we don't know for sure that a D400 isn't lying in a lab somewhere at Nikon HQ..... Just because its being marketed as the "current" flagship DX body doesn't mean that in a few months it will be superceded it seems to be the way of it with technology companies these days.....

Like what's already been said though the 7dii looks a high spec/price and Nikon really don't have anything to compete....
 
chrism_scotland said:
I suppose we don't know for sure that a D400 isn't lying in a lab somewhere at Nikon HQ..... Just because its being marketed as the "current" flagship DX body doesn't mean that in a few months it will be superceded it seems to be the way of it with technology companies these days.....

Like what's already been said though the 7dii looks a high spec/price and Nikon really don't have anything to compete....
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The R&D departments are paid hard cash to explore and build all kinds of prototypes. If they haven't made one by now would surprise me a lot.
Then the marketing and HQ people make the decisions what will see the light of day.
And to be fair these mid-range cams are nowhere near as hard to make as D4 - the real flagship. They can borrow components, mix and match, etc. It is not LEGO, but the very principle is similar.

On the canon side - we again do not know anything. Have they managed to make a competitive or market leading APS-C sensor yet? Only time will tell.
 
In sure enough people will jump ship to the 7100 for s/h prices to move favourably.

I on the other hand will not be moving to the 7100 in the near future. I am very happy with my D7000 and am having great pleasure in actually learning about it and using it on M mode!!! The 7100 does look nice though.
 
architectfadi said:
I have a D7000 that I am happy with and won't need to upgrade now but I can see myself replacing it with a D7100 when they come on the second hand market for a good price
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This is exactly what I'm thinking of doing except keeping the d7000 as a second body. Once they drop in price by August then I think I will look for one. The d7000 is a great camera but better auto focus, especially if its the same as the d800 is one good reason for me. The extra MP maybe useful for a little extra cropping.

If I were to go fx it would have to be the d800, I can't justify that sort of money for a body.
 
It's already been said but if Canon delivers on the rumoured specs of the 7D mkII and Nikon doesn't release a D400 then I will be seriously looking at selling up and moving over to Canon.

The D7100 looks like a nice camera but the lack of AF-On and 6 fps is an issue for me shooting motorcycle racing and the D4 is out of my price range.

Edit - Just read Thom Hogan's thoughts on the D7100 and the mythical D400 and he's pretty much talking about me. Hope he is right and Nikon release the D400 later in the year.
 
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Is it the same battery as the d7000 (en-el15)? That would be useful to anyone who is thinking of using the d7000 and d7100 as two bodies. Could have an extra battery that could be used in both cameras. I bet the existing d7000 battery grip won't fit the d7100.
 
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