Nikon D750 & D780

Everyone attention on the bloody A7iii lol
 
A7iii is a real threat. I think in my head I’ve resigned myself to switching to it.

It addresses a few of my longstanding d750 gripes while throwing up a few bonuses. At this stage it would take a seriously good f mount Nikon mirrorless to convince me otherwise.
 
decigallen said:
A7iii is a real threat. I think in my head I’ve resigned myself to switching to it.

It addresses a few of my longstanding d750 gripes while throwing up a few bonuses. At this stage it would take a seriously good f mount Nikon mirrorless to convince me otherwise.
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What are your D750 gripes?
 
snerkler said:
What are your D750 gripes?
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1/4000 shutter
Buffer
Poor focusing in LV mode (which is a shame because the tilt screen was a revelation).
A few QC issues that meant recalls (including a shutter recall where NPS lost one of our bodies and we had to shoot with a beaten up D800 loaner for a month)

I love the D750 and pound for pound it is the best Nikon I've owned but it is nearly 4 years old and has, naturally, been superceded. A7iii (on paper at least) represents a coming of age for mirrorless and a lot of features appeal to me:

EVF (XT2 has gotten me used to one).
Silent Shutter.
1/8000 shutter.
Better Buffer than D750.
Higher fps.
Lighter and smaller.
More AF points.
Equally good AF in LV mode as EVF (+ touchscreen focus).
Eye tracking AF.
USB-C
IBIS
No OLPF

The downsides are battery life (a non-issue for me as I'm used to carrying multiple spares anyway). Less lens choice (again a non-issue as I can get everything I want/need). Having to sign up to Lightroom CC (I'm presuming this is the case as the standalone is no longer being updated).

I also love how the 3 iterations of the A7 are virtually identical in form, so theoretically I could own an A7rIII or an A7sIII (when it arrives) and not have to worry about different functions and feel.
 
decigallen said:
1/4000 shutter
Buffer
Poor focusing in LV mode (which is a shame because the tilt screen was a revelation).
A few QC issues that meant recalls (including a shutter recall where NPS lost one of our bodies and we had to shoot with a beaten up D800 loaner for a month)

I love the D750 and pound for pound it is the best Nikon I've owned but it is nearly 4 years old and has, naturally, been superceded. A7iii (on paper at least) represents a coming of age for mirrorless and a lot of features appeal to me:

EVF (XT2 has gotten me used to one).
Silent Shutter.
1/8000 shutter.
Better Buffer than D750.
Higher fps.
Lighter and smaller.
More AF points.
Equally good AF in LV mode as EVF (+ touchscreen focus).
Eye tracking AF.
USB-C
IBIS
No OLPF

The downsides are battery life (a non-issue for me as I'm used to carrying multiple spares anyway). Less lens choice (again a non-issue as I can get everything I want/need). Having to sign up to Lightroom CC (I'm presuming this is the case as the standalone is no longer being updated).

I also love how the 3 iterations of the A7 are virtually identical in form, so theoretically I could own an A7rIII or an A7sIII (when it arrives) and not have to worry about different functions and feel.
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IMO the 1/4000 shutter is a none issue, no-one complained about the D700 yet that 'only' went to ISO 200 and 1/8000, no different in terms of exposure to the D750 ISO 100 and 1/4000, and of course you have ISO low to play with, but YMMV. Buffer could be better, one of the reasons I would like the D850. Mirrorless certainly have a huge advantage with live view.

Have you seen the pin striping present on the A7's and A9 though in certain lighting caused by the on sensor masked PDAF (not to be confused with the banding due to artificial light). Not sure how often it occurs but may be a concern to those who light to shoot with their subject back lit.
 
decigallen said:
1/4000 shutter
Buffer
Poor focusing in LV mode (which is a shame because the tilt screen was a revelation).
A few QC issues that meant recalls (including a shutter recall where NPS lost one of our bodies and we had to shoot with a beaten up D800 loaner for a month)

I love the D750 and pound for pound it is the best Nikon I've owned but it is nearly 4 years old and has, naturally, been superceded. A7iii (on paper at least) represents a coming of age for mirrorless and a lot of features appeal to me:

EVF (XT2 has gotten me used to one).
Silent Shutter.
1/8000 shutter.
Better Buffer than D750.
Higher fps.
Lighter and smaller.
More AF points.
Equally good AF in LV mode as EVF (+ touchscreen focus).
Eye tracking AF.
USB-C
IBIS
No OLPF

The downsides are battery life (a non-issue for me as I'm used to carrying multiple spares anyway). Less lens choice (again a non-issue as I can get everything I want/need). Having to sign up to Lightroom CC (I'm presuming this is the case as the standalone is no longer being updated).

I also love how the 3 iterations of the A7 are virtually identical in form, so theoretically I could own an A7rIII or an A7sIII (when it arrives) and not have to worry about different functions and feel.
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Sounds expensive when swapping a whole system. The very last point for me with the Sony line up, they don’t feel right in hand.
 
snerkler said:
IMO the 1/4000 shutter is a none issue, no-one complained about the D700 yet that 'only' went to ISO 200 and 1/8000, no different in terms of exposure to the D750 ISO 100 and 1/4000, and of course you have ISO low to play with, but YMMV. Buffer could be better, one of the reasons I would like the D850. Mirrorless certainly have a huge advantage with live view.

Have you seen the pin striping present on the A7's and A9 though in certain lighting caused by the on sensor masked PDAF (not to be confused with the banding due to artificial light). Not sure how often it occurs but may be a concern to those who light to shoot with their subject back lit.
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I have seen it, yes, and am waiting to hear how Sony address it. I was an early adopter of the D750 and experienced many worse issues with quality control that ruined some shoots for me. After 3 months, a shutter failed on one of our D750s halfway through a wedding. One of my wife's D750s was subject to 3 different recalls. I currently don't have issues but some of them are in their 4th year now. I generally get new bodies every few years, before they start to develop problems. The D750, as great as it is, wasn't the most reliable body I've owned.

D850 is another great camera but it's not for me. For starters, it has too many mp for my shooting style. The body is also bigger and heavier than the D750 when I'm looking to move in the other direction (why we dropped our D4 bodies for the D750). For movie set work I would have to continue using a blimp as there is no silent shutter mode* or buy another system to work alongside it. And for some inexplicable reason, doesn't have the endlessly useful u1/u2 settings of the cheaper nikons. If I ever needed the mp, Sony have the A7rIII.

Innovation in the mirrorless world is staggering while DSLRs are slowly evolving. I'm not a fanboy of any brand. Despite primarily shooting Nikon for 14 years or so I've concurrently owned Fuji, Canon and Sony. I go with whatever camera suits my needs. At the moment, on paper, the A7iii is as close as any camera has been to having my ideal specs - lossless RAW and better battery life would perfect it. This is only a good thing as such competition drives innovation in all brands.

*apart from LV silent, but that would mean relying on the relatively crappy LV focusing.
 
decigallen said:
I have seen it, yes, and am waiting to hear how Sony address it. I was an early adopter of the D750 and experienced many worse issues with quality control that ruined some shoots for me. After 3 months, a shutter failed on one of our D750s halfway through a wedding. One of my wife's D750s was subject to 3 different recalls. I currently don't have issues but some of them are in their 4th year now. I generally get new bodies every few years, before they start to develop problems. The D750, as great as it is, wasn't the most reliable body I've owned.

D850 is another great camera but it's not for me. For starters, it has too many mp for my shooting style. The body is also bigger and heavier than the D750 when I'm looking to move in the other direction (why we dropped our D4 bodies for the D750). For movie set work I would have to continue using a blimp as there is no silent shutter mode* or buy another system to work alongside it. And for some inexplicable reason, doesn't have the endlessly useful u1/u2 settings of the cheaper nikons. If I ever needed the mp, Sony have the A7rIII.

Innovation in the mirrorless world is staggering while DSLRs are slowly evolving. I'm not a fanboy of any brand. Despite primarily shooting Nikon for 14 years or so I've concurrently owned Fuji, Canon and Sony. I go with whatever camera suits my needs. At the moment, on paper, the A7iii is as close as any camera has been to having my ideal specs - lossless RAW and better battery life would perfect it. This is only a good thing as such competition drives innovation in all brands.

*apart from LV silent, but that would mean relying on the relatively crappy LV focusing.
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If you are concerned about reliability, which it seems, check Sonys weather sealing, build quality and also check their lens QC. Mirrorless innovation is staggering because its only catching up to DSLR performance now.
 
Livin The Dream said:
Sounds expensive when swapping a whole system. The very last point for me with the Sony line up, they don’t feel right in hand.
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It will be expensive, but then I have a ton of Nikon equipment to sell, some of which I no longer use and wouldn't need replacing.

I'd be buying: 4xbodies, 2x35mm 2x85mm 1x24mm, 1x135mm, 2xflashes.

I'd be selling: 4xbodies, 2x35mm 2x85mm 1x24mm, 1x135mm, 1x70-200mm, 1x45mm PCE, 2x50mm, 2xflashes, and loads of other peripherals.

twist said:
If you are concerned about reliability, which it seems, check Sonys weather sealing, build quality and also check their lens QC. Mirrorless innovation is staggering because its only catching up to DSLR performance now.
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It's only just catching up to some aspects, it's already surpassing it in many others.

I'd likely be buying Sigma lenses which are familiar to me and have had no more QC problems than Nikon lenses I've owned.
 
decigallen said:
It will be expensive, but then I have a ton of Nikon equipment to sell, some of which I no longer use and wouldn't need replacing.

I'd be buying: 4xbodies, 2x35mm 2x85mm 1x24mm, 1x135mm, 2xflashes.

I'd be selling: 4xbodies, 2x35mm 2x85mm 1x24mm, 1x135mm, 1x70-200mm, 1x45mm PCE, 2x50mm, 2xflashes, and loads of other peripherals.



It's only just catching up to some aspects, it's already surpassing it in many others.

I'd likely be buying Sigma lenses which are familiar to me and have had no more QC problems than Nikon lenses I've owned.
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Interesting going with Siggy. Thought the Arts weren’t water resistant, could be wrong. Finally getting rid of that big heavy 70-200 ha. Have you the siggy 135?
 
decigallen said:
I have seen it, yes, and am waiting to hear how Sony address it. I was an early adopter of the D750 and experienced many worse issues with quality control that ruined some shoots for me. After 3 months, a shutter failed on one of our D750s halfway through a wedding. One of my wife's D750s was subject to 3 different recalls. I currently don't have issues but some of them are in their 4th year now. I generally get new bodies every few years, before they start to develop problems. The D750, as great as it is, wasn't the most reliable body I've owned.

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The recalls of the D750 haven't been great tbh, I had both recalls on my first D750 after which Nikon fubarred it up, but my second has been flawless. The trouble with the Sony pin striping is that it is a fundamental design of the sensor and not something that they can solve simply with a firmware update. There needs to be a whole redesign of the sensor in order to solve it. Now as I say, how problematic it is day to day I don't know.

decigallen said:
It will be expensive, but then I have a ton of Nikon equipment to sell, some of which I no longer use and wouldn't need replacing.

I'd be buying: 4xbodies, 2x35mm 2x85mm 1x24mm, 1x135mm, 2xflashes.

I'd be selling: 4xbodies, 2x35mm 2x85mm 1x24mm, 1x135mm, 1x70-200mm, 1x45mm PCE, 2x50mm, 2xflashes, and loads of other peripherals.



It's only just catching up to some aspects, it's already surpassing it in many others.

I'd likely be buying Sigma lenses which are familiar to me and have had no more QC problems than Nikon lenses I've owned.
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That's fair enough, but there's no getting away from the fact that the FE-mount is a very very expensive system. As you may have seen from the A7 thread I've actually been looking at the A7 as one system do it all rather than running two systems, but the price is just unjustifiable for me (and way outside my budget to boot). The other thing is I agree with livin the dream in that they don't feel as good in the hand, neither compared to my D750 or my EM1.

It's a great system, no doubt about it. Just a shame there's not a better selection of mid range lenses and they can't make the ergonomics better. On this latter part I don't get why other mirrorless cameras don't 'copy' the grip/ergonomics of the EM1, it's brilliant in this regards. The fact that it's slightly wider than the A7 is a bonus to me as my fingers don't foul against the lens which is prone to happen with the A7's for me.
 
Livin The Dream said:
Interesting going with Siggy. Thought the Arts weren’t water resistant, could be wrong. Finally getting rid of that big heavy 70-200 ha. Have you the siggy 135?
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Holding off on the 135 until I decide if I'm changing system but would love one. The lack of weather sealing was a concern for me at first, but in practice, it's not been a problem with ones i've used. We actually returned an early D750 because it wasn't properly weather sealed.

I've used our 70-200 about 4 times in the past two years. Probably should be laws against neglecting such a lovely piece of glass...

snerkler said:
That's fair enough, but there's no getting away from the fact that the FE-mount is a very very expensive system. As you may have seen from the A7 thread I've actually been looking at the A7 as one system do it all rather than running two systems, but the price is just unjustifiable for me (and way outside my budget to boot). The other thing is I agree with livin the dream in that they don't feel as good in the hand, neither compared to my D750 or my EM1.

It's a great system, no doubt about it. Just a shame there's not a better selection of mid-range lenses and they can't make the ergonomics better. On this latter part I don't get why other mirrorless cameras don't 'copy' the grip/ergonomics of the EM1, it's brilliant in this regards. The fact that it's slightly wider than the A7 is a bonus to me as my fingers don't foul against the lens which is prone to happen with the A7's for me.
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I've second shot video using an A7s and while the ergonomics aren't as good as the D750, I didn't mind it. I liked that they seem to have taken some of their jog/button layouts from Nikon. Maybe it suits my wee girly hands:D

I get you on the price of lenses. As its popularity grows though, so will the lenses. Having the full range of Sigma primes is a game changer and one of the reasons it's opened up as a frontrunner for me.
 
decigallen said:
Holding off on the 135 until I decide if I'm changing system but would love one. The lack of weather sealing was a concern for me at first, but in practice, it's not been a problem with ones i've used. We actually returned an early D750 because it wasn't properly weather sealed.

I've used our 70-200 about 4 times in the past two years. Probably should be laws against neglecting such a lovely piece of glass...

I get you on the price of lenses. As its popularity grows though, so will the lenses. Having the full range of Sigma primes is a game changer and one of the reasons it's opened up as a frontrunner for me.
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I’d like to know how robust the sigmas are for a working pro, they still don’t feel as solid in the hand to me as the marque pro ranges? I have a downer on Sigma anyway but I’m definitely getting the 135 sometime soon. There’s no questioning their sharpness.
 
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Livin The Dream said:
I’d like to know how robust the sigmas are for a working pro, they still don’t feel as solid in the hand to me as the marque pro ranges? I have a downer on Sigma anyway but I’m definitely getting the 135 sometime soon. There’s no questioning their sharpness.
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The nice thing with using them on the A7’s is that there shouldn’t be the horrendous variation in front/back focus problems you get with Nikon.
 
How the Wife ok?

Bless a new one arrive how many kids you got now looks lovely.
 
Livin The Dream said:
I’d like to know how robust the sigmas are for a working pro, they still don’t feel as solid in the hand to me as the marque pro ranges? I have a downer on Sigma anyway but I’m definitely getting the 135 sometime soon. There’s no questioning their sharpness.
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They're as robust as any of my G lenses. Maybe more so. Everything Nikon make is just as plasticky as Sigma. I like the plastics Sigma use more. I don't like the weight.
 
The A7 series have always interested me but until now not enough as the black out when shooting sports would do my head in.

The A9 and A7rIII have addressed this but remain way out of budget. The A7 III has not addressed this so for me is not an option. Maybe the 4th version will?!
 
JJ! said:
The A7 series have always interested me but until now not enough as the black out when shooting sports would do my head in.

The A9 and A7rIII have addressed this but remain way out of budget. The A7 III has not addressed this so for me is not an option. Maybe the 4th version will?!
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Is the blackout any different to that of a DSLR?
 
snerkler said:
Is the blackout any different to that of a DSLR?
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Maybe it’s changed since I last tried mirrorless but it was a lot different on the last one I tried making it a bit of a struggle for sports.
 
JJ! said:
Maybe it’s changed since I last tried mirrorless but it was a lot different on the last one I tried making it a bit of a struggle for sports.
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I’ll have to try continuous shooting with my EM1 and see how it differs (y). TBH I’d have thought lag would have been more of an issue than blackout. I guess I’ll find out ;)
 
Maybe I’m getting lag/blackout confused lol. I was taking pics and when panning after taking a shot it took too long for the viewfinder to show live again. This was a while back so maybe not an issue!
 
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