Nikon D750 & D780

I was on the Farne Islands last year where a mob of togs were machine gunning a Puffin which was posing nicely with a beak full of sand eels. Dozens of images of essentially the same static subject. Why?

BTW what is the term for a group of togs?

Sorry for off-topic
 
I was on the Farne Islands last year where a mob of togs were machine gunning a Puffin which was posing nicely with a beak full of sand eels. Dozens of images of essentially the same static subject. Why?

BTW what is the term for a group of togs?

A clique !
 
the buffer size isn't the best, even for the FPS it has, fast cards are a must if you ever find yourself in a situation where you end up machine-gunning.

Just had a peak at the pics from NYE wedding, for the processional, I shot a total of 20 pics for the bridal parties entrance at F/2 on an 85mm, ISO 5000 1/200th sec. Much of the light was coming from behind and side of the aisle so not ideal, but still 18 of the 20 shots were bang on focus, very impressive.
 
Just pushed the button on one of these today.. Gonna be a long week at work waiting for this to arrive.


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Just spent 10 hours in London giving my D750 a thorough test drive. Will have a good delve through the shots tomorrow but really, really impressed with the handling, it was so comfortable (I use a Crumpler Singapore Sling instead of the standard neck strap) and the grip is just perfect for my hands. The Sigma 35mm 1.4 felt a little more front heavy than when I had it on a D600, but the 105 f2 DC was beautifully balanced despite being longer, oddly.

I had a good walk around the City of London area at night and the AF was unlike anything I've experienced, it never missed a beat locking onto some very specific small subjects in very dark conditions, and handled some very low contrast objects really well too. I used Live View a lot more than I've ever done with any other body, the tilting screen is great and AF through it is perfectly usable for static subjects.

Only slight annoyance was switching Auto ISO on and off (in the evening I had it on for handheld and off for long exposures), I was jumping between the two quite frequently, I've assigned ISO to the Movie Rec button but that doesn't seem to be able to switch Auto off once it's on. I didn't have the manual to hand so will check tomorrow to see if it was just me being dim.
 
Auto iso is turned on/off by simply holding the iso button and a turn of the dial, couldn't be easier to be honest mate
 
I too have set my video button to ISO so that I can operate changing the speed, aperture and ISO single handily from the right hand side.

From a personal perspective I always change the ISO manually, something that I've always done since the days of film.

However, to turn auto ISO on/off even from the original button on the rear is simplicity itself and does eliminate the need to go through the menu.

1. Press ISO button and rotate rear command dial to change up and down ISOs manually.

2. Press ISO button and rotate front command dial to switch Auto ISO on or off.

No need to even go to the menu to do this. Hope this helps.
 
I was on the Farne Islands last year where a mob of togs were machine gunning a Puffin which was posing nicely with a beak full of sand eels. Dozens of images of essentially the same static subject. Why?

BTW what is the term for a group of togs?

Sorry for off-topic

I'm not sure why I read that and thought a mob were shooting a machine gun at a Puffin!
 
Thanks for the confirmation on ISO, can't believe I didn't try that!

Tilt screen + Highlight Weighted Metering. Whilst a camera doesn't make you a better photographer, I would never have got this shot before...


London January 2015
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I do the same, it also really helps if you are shooting a mix of camera bodies, brings the controls a little more in line (D750+810 in my case).

I agree, I have the D750 / D810 set up the same for continuity. It takes a little less of the thinking away DNS allows me to concentrate on the subject.
 
See Nikon have acknowledged the flare issue and are working on a fix
 
See Nikon have acknowledged the flare issue and are working on a fix
Where, do you the Nikon rumours website

oOr this email sent out on the 27th dec

We have received indications from some users that when photographing scenes in which a bright light source, such as the sun or high-intensity lighting, is at a certain position along the top border of the frame, flare with an unnatural shape may sometimes occur in images captured with the D750 digital SLR camera.

We are currently looking into measures to address this issue. Further details will be announced as soon as they are determined.
 
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My understanding is that highlight weighted metering is simply a -1EC setting... either method, same result...

It seems to pick out the brightest part of the scene very consistently (I used it for a few hundred shots in London), so it feels a little more advanced than just applying a bit of exposure compensation. Either way the tilt screen is fantastic, feels very robust.
 
I think Nikon just sucks. My images are completely unusable at ISO 256,000 and I get horrendous lens flare/CA when I use wide apertures in certain situations...

Complainers are going to make it impossible for manufacturers to produce new equipment. Sure, it would be nice if everything was "perfect," but nothing ever is. Even the D600 oil spot "issue" was turned into a ridiculous mess for no real reason. (I'd much rather have it over lubricated and slinging a little oil during "break in," as opposed to under lubricated and me not knowing about it.)

It's not a "fault," it's a "characteristic;" just like the D8xx's lack of an AA filter causing moire is. If that situation is problematic/common for you then pick a different camera. It's not even unique to the D750, so you probably need to pick something without a PDAF module in the mirror box.

Can they "fix it?" Sure, with a redesign... a taller body to allow a taller shield, put the AF mirror on a separate mechanism that drops over the AF module, make the entire mirror assembly flip down instead of up, move the AF module into the pentaprism area, eliminate PDAF, etc. etc. And maybe they will do something like that in the future; but I don't see a "fix" for any of the cameras that currently exhibit this characteristic. *Maybe if* the current shield is shorter than it could be they'll be able to modify it (but what a mess that would turn out to be).
 
It seems to pick out the brightest part of the scene very consistently (I used it for a few hundred shots in London), so it feels a little more advanced than just applying a bit of exposure compensation. Either way the tilt screen is fantastic, feels very robust.
That's cool. It seems it may be more advanced than just -EC... http://nps.nikonimaging.com/technical_solutions/d810_tips/highlight/

If it is that useful I would probably assign it to a button so that I could activate it instantly. LOL! It seems my D810 has this feature and I didn't even know it! I'll have to give it a go...
 
I think Nikon just sucks. My images are completely unusable at ISO 256,000 and I get horrendous lens flare/CA when I use wide apertures in certain situations...

Complainers are going to make it impossible for manufacturers to produce new equipment. Sure, it would be nice if everything was "perfect," but nothing ever is. Even the D600 oil spot "issue" was turned into a ridiculous mess for no real reason. (I'd much rather have it over lubricated and slinging a little oil during "break in," as opposed to under lubricated and me not knowing about it.)

It's not a "fault," it's a "characteristic;" just like the D8xx's lack of an AA filter causing moire is. If that situation is problematic/common for you then pick a different camera. It's not even unique to the D750, so you probably need to pick something without a PDAF module in the mirror box.

Can they "fix it?" Sure, with a redesign... a taller body to allow a taller shield, put the AF mirror on a separate mechanism that drops over the AF module, make the entire mirror assembly flip down instead of up, move the AF module into the pentaprism area, eliminate PDAF, etc. etc. And maybe they will do something like that in the future; but I don't see a "fix" for any of the cameras that currently exhibit this characteristic. *Maybe if* the current shield is shorter than it could be they'll be able to modify it (but what a mess that would turn out to be).
Pretty bloody pointless Nikon recognising theres an issue and that theyre working on a fix then, maybe you need to email them and let them know its a fuss over b****r all as was the D610 oil spatter and D800 left side AF issues
 
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I think Nikon just sucks. My images are completely unusable at ISO 256,000 and I get horrendous lens flare/CA when I use wide apertures in certain situations...

Complainers are going to make it impossible for manufacturers to produce new equipment. Sure, it would be nice if everything was "perfect," but nothing ever is. Even the D600 oil spot "issue" was turned into a ridiculous mess for no real reason. (I'd much rather have it over lubricated and slinging a little oil during "break in," as opposed to under lubricated and me not knowing about it.)

It's not a "fault," it's a "characteristic;" just like the D8xx's lack of an AA filter causing moire is. If that situation is problematic/common for you then pick a different camera. It's not even unique to the D750, so you probably need to pick something without a PDAF module in the mirror box.

Can they "fix it?" Sure, with a redesign... a taller body to allow a taller shield, put the AF mirror on a separate mechanism that drops over the AF module, make the entire mirror assembly flip down instead of up, move the AF module into the pentaprism area, eliminate PDAF, etc. etc. And maybe they will do something like that in the future; but I don't see a "fix" for any of the cameras that currently exhibit this characteristic. *Maybe if* the current shield is shorter than it could be they'll be able to modify it (but what a mess that would turn out to be).

I'd agree

Except

1. Not all 750's do it
2. Some that do show it far more severely than others that do
3. Nikon have admitted there's something going on here
4. It is a problem for anyone shooting contre-jour a lot
5. There's evidence that Nikon are using 2 suppliers for the part in question and that could well be why it's not affecting all bodies.

As for the D600 oil, that was a real and serious issue hence the 610 and Nikon handled that badly. The AF Problem affecting some early d800's was also a real and significant problem.
 
Complainers are going to make it impossible for manufacturers to produce new equipment. Sure, it would be nice if everything was "perfect," but nothing ever is. Even the D600 oil spot "issue" was turned into a ridiculous mess for no real reason. (I'd much rather have it over lubricated and slinging a little oil during "break in," as opposed to under lubricated and me not knowing about it.)

Why are you trying to trivialise a fault Nikon themselves have admitted, and is something they are looking into? :thinking:

I'd much rather the camera was built and designed properly than to live with a problem, especially one that could lead to me having to potentially do a wet clean each time I used the camera.

It's not a "fault," it's a "characteristic;" just like the D8xx's lack of an AA filter causing moire is. If that situation is problematic/common for you then pick a different camera. It's not even unique to the D750, so you probably need to pick something without a PDAF module in the mirror box.

The decision to remove the AA filter was a design choice for sharper images out of the camera, and I think bringing both the D800 with and without the AA filter emphasized that people had to make a choice, and what the consequences were with that choice. Making a design mistake is totally different to a fault. In various recent Nikon cameras there have been faults, left AF points not working, liquid getting splattered over the sensor, LCD not showing correct colours, white spots in long exposures etc. There are probably some I've missed. Nowhere did I see people getting prior warning of these 'characteristics', as they did when Nikon started releasing cameras with the AA filter removed. Nikon has repaired, replaced, and sometimes re-designed existing models, and even brought out a whole new camera for some or all of the 'characteristics'. Should users should just have kept quiet and lived with the problems?

Can they "fix it?" Sure, with a redesign... a taller body to allow a taller shield, put the AF mirror on a separate mechanism that drops over the AF module, make the entire mirror assembly flip down instead of up, move the AF module into the pentaprism area, eliminate PDAF, etc. etc. And maybe they will do something like that in the future; but I don't see a "fix" for any of the cameras that currently exhibit this characteristic. *Maybe if* the current shield is shorter than it could be they'll be able to modify it (but what a mess that would turn out to be).

Surely if they have to fix a problem with a re-design, then the thing wasn't designed correctly in the first place. :thinking:

If Nikon are saying that they are looking into a problem, then they consider it a real problem. For most users faults are not 'characteristics'.

Most users may indeed be very happy and have no problems, but, there are some that are not. Of course you hear the people with problems more, but then if I spend money on a product and it is faulty, then I would want to make it known, and ascertain whether I was alone and unlucky, or part of a larger problem. The more expensive the product, the more upset people may be, as they may have saved/got into debt, to get said item. If people don't highlight problems, manufacturers may not find out about them, (unless they already know) and may do nothing about them.

The bigger any problems, which you will not find out without people communicating with each other, the more likely the manufacturer will do something about it. Small problems they can ignore and brush under the carpet.

Nikon are not the only manufacturers bringing cameras out with problems, but they seem to be doing it more than most. For all of them, is it poor design or poor quality control? Depends on the problem. But never just accept it.
 
Pretty bloody pointless Nikon recognising theres an issue and that theyre working on a fix then, maybe you need to email them and let them know its a fuss over b****r all as was the D610 oil spatter and D800 left side AF issues
I think the D800's that had left side AF issues were a valid concern... and so was the D600's oil spots. Those were both QC issues and correctable. I just don't think the oil spot was significant enough to have resulted in a D610.
 
I think the D800's that had left side AF issues were a valid concern... and so was the D600's oil spots. Those were both QC issues and correctable. I just don't think the oil spot was significant enough to have resulted in a D610.
Ah right so all of those who had oil spotted D600s swapped out for new D610s should have turned them down and just kept on cleaning their sensors every 50 shots based on you think it wasn't much of an issue, end of the day, Nikon admitted they cocked up, maybe they should have had you on their legal team t the time of the lawsuit.
 
I'd agree

Except

1. Not all 750's do it
2. Some that do show it far more severely than others that do
3. Nikon have admitted there's something going on here

I'm not convinced that not all D750's do it... I think there are too many variables between "tests" to conclude that some don't/won't produce the result (and other camera models do it as well).

Nikon has not admitted it is a fault. They have recognized that some people are complaining about it and seeing if they can do something about it. Because it is a result of the physical design I highly doubt they can. Maybe they can put an anti glare coating on the module like they have for eyeglasses... I have no idea if that would work or if it's already being done.
 
Thom Hogan agrees that some don't do it.

Mine doesn't. At all. And believe me I've tried. I'm about to order a second regardless but it's still known it doesn't affect all bodies. That's borne out by the suggestion of 2 different suppliers being at the root of this.
 
I'm not convinced that not all D750's do it... I think there are too many variables between "tests" to conclude that some don't/won't produce the result (and other camera models do it as well).

Nikon has not admitted it is a fault. They have recognized that some people are complaining about it and seeing if they can do something about it. Because it is a result of the physical design I highly doubt they can. Maybe they can put an anti glare coating on the module like they have for eyeglasses... I have no idea if that would work or if it's already being done.
Or even if they should bother eh.
 
Nikon, like all traditional Japanese companies, don't make public statements unless the problem has legs. The fact they've publicly done so with the 750 tells me they know it's real.
 
Ah right so all of those who had oil spotted D600s swapped out for new D610s should have turned them down.
Of course not. But it was/is not an issue of having to clean the sensor "every 50 shot" indefinitely... it goes away.

Would I buy a D600 knowing I might get one with an oil spot issue that would need returned to have it addressed? Yes.
Would I buy a D800 knowing I might get one with a left side AF issue? Yes, I did in fact.
Would I buy a D810 with a "bright spot" issue? Yes, I did (by serial number anyway). And I haven't sent it in for service nor have I updated the firmware. I did take a test shot and decided I didn't care...

Would I buy a D750 with this "potential issue?" Yes, because I don't tend to shoot those types of shots, I tend to use lens hoods, and I own top level lenses that do a better job of controlling scatter before the mirror box.
The primary consideration is obviously that I don't tend to take those types of shots... and for the few times I might I'm quite certain the issue can be mitigated.
 
Surely if they have to fix a problem with a re-design, then the thing wasn't designed correctly in the first place. :thinking:
A redesign to fix this issue may not come without other consequences. Every design choice is a tradeoff...

Or even if they should bother eh.
If it would work and is as simple as that, then I would suggest they should start doing to all AF modules regardless of model... But should every camera that can exhibit this characteristic be recalled to have it done? I don't think I would go that far.
 
Of course not. But it was/is not an issue of having to clean the sensor "every 50 shot" indefinitely... it goes away.

Would I buy a D600 knowing I might get one with an oil spot issue that would need returned to have it addressed? Yes.
Would I buy a D800 knowing I might get one with a left side AF issue? Yes, I did in fact.
Would I buy a D810 with a "bright spot" issue? Yes, I did (by serial number anyway). And I haven't sent it in for service nor have I updated the firmware. I did take a test shot and decided I didn't care...

Would I buy a D750 with this "potential issue?" Yes, because I don't tend to shoot those types of shots, I tend to use lens hoods, and I own top level lenses that do a better job of controlling scatter before the mirror box.
The primary consideration is obviously that I don't tend to take those types of shots... and for the few times I might I'm quite certain the issue can be mitigated.
Well it didnt go away on my 12000 actuation D600 nor on my mates D600, sure it lessened but the spots turned into smears which was even worse

Get serious Steven, you gambled you wouldnt get D800 or D810s without issues, if Nikon were to tell you you would definatley get a faulty one you would have run a bleedin mile.
 
A redesign to fix this issue may not come without other consequences. Every design choice is a tradeoff...


If it would work and is as simple as that, then I would suggest they should start doing to all AF modules regardless of model... But should every camera that can exhibit this characteristic be recalled to have it done? I don't think I would go that far.
Why not, ita faulty and as such you have consumer rights as the US lawsuit proved and only the fear of a similar UK lawsuit made Nikon swap them out for D610s
 
Of course not. But it was/is not an issue of having to clean the sensor "every 50 shot" indefinitely... it goes away.

But for how long is acceptable to you? It shouldn't have been a problem and I don't understand why you think it is acceptable.

Would I buy a D600 knowing I might get one with an oil spot issue that would need returned to have it addressed? Yes.
Now that the price of D600s have dropped through the floor because of the issue. ;) And because people discussed and raised the issue, Nikon will actually do something about cameras with the problem. If people just accepted it as a 'characteristic' that would go away, eventually, possibly, I doubt even less would be willing to get a D600.

Would I buy a D800 knowing I might get one with a left side AF issue? Yes, I did in fact.
Same as above, until there are enough with a 'characteristic' Nikon would not admit or do anything about it. Now that people know that a camera can be fixed because it has a problem gives 2nd hand buyer a bit more confidence. Cameras that have never had the problem will get higher prices than those that have never been tested, or tested and fixed by Nikon.

Would I buy a D810 with a "bright spot" issue? Yes, I did (by serial number anyway). And I haven't sent it in for service nor have I updated the firmware. I did take a test shot and decided I didn't care...

But some people do.

Would I buy a D750 with this "potential issue?" Yes, because I don't tend to shoot those types of shots, I tend to use lens hoods, and I own top level lenses that do a better job of controlling scatter before the mirror box.
The primary consideration is obviously that I don't tend to take those types of shots... and for the few times I might I'm quite certain the issue can be mitigated.

Some people do take these types of images, and some don't have 'top level' lenses. ;)

That you have had to mention so many cameras and what you are willing to accept is a sad state of affairs imho.
 
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Well it didnt go away on my 12000 actuation D600 nor on my mates D600, sure it lessened but the spots turned into smears which was even worse

Get serious Steven, you gambled you wouldnt get D800 or D810s without issues, if Nikon were to tell you you would definatley get a faulty one you would have run a bleedin mile.
Did you ever send your D600 back to have it degreased/properly lubed, or did you just complain about it?


Isn't every purchase a gamble regarding QC? It would be nice if it wasn't, but that's not a reality.

I don't see this as a "QC issue" with the D750... if it turns out to be that it really is (i.e. different vendor) then having it "fixed" will be the obvious choice. But if it's not (I really don't think it is) then I don't see it as being "faulty." I might see it as not being well suited for those types of shots. Either way I don't see it as a big deal. If it's a problem *for you* then return it and get something different or your money back.

I was never very happy with the D800 due to AF tracking/fps/ISO noise with cropping... it wasn't well suited for how I wanted to use it. That was my fault, not the camera's.
 
Did you ever send your D600 back to have it degreased/properly lubed, or did you just complain about it?


Isn't every purchase a gamble regarding QC? It would be nice if it wasn't, but that's not a reality.

I don't see this as a "QC issue" with the D750... if it turns out to be that it really is (i.e. different vendor) then having it "fixed" will be the obvious choice. But if it's not (I really don't think it is) then I don't see it as being "faulty." I might see it as not being well suited for those types of shots. Either way I don't see it as a big deal. If it's a problem *for you* then return it and get something different or your money back.
WTF !!!!!!!!!! are you for real, my camera actually went back 3 seperate occasions over a 3 month period, i eventually got fully refunded by my credit card company, i took a gamble on a second one from HDEW and sent it back within a week for a full refund.

Hell no its not a gamble

Whilst my D750 is in for an unrelated issue Nikon are telling me that its likely a fault/QC isue because they it seems they have sourced parts from at least 2 different suppliers and 1 of the suppliers hasn't manufactured the "part" to Nikons "exacting standards".

Oh, and lenses have zilch to do with the D750 issue, yes some show it more than others, even the 24-70mm f/2.8 exhibits it badly on some affected cameras and not so much on other affected cameras
 
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That you have had to mention so many cameras and what you are willing to accept is a sad state of affairs imho.
Maybe... but it's not a "Nikon issue."

I've never said QC issues are "acceptable." They are just a fact of life and need to be kept in perspective.
And I don't believe this "issue" w/ the D750 is QC related. If you understand what is happening and why you will realize when it is likely to occur and how to mitigate it. You will realize it is not a QC issue but a design limitation. Is the compressed AF points "an issue?" Is the slower frame rate "an issue?" Is the smaller (or larger) size "an issue?" It may be for some, but that's not Nikon's fault.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong in the long run and that will be "better" for everyone. But I think it needs to be kept in perspective either way.
 
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