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Was told last week about a D4S being introduced early next year and thought it was hogwash but just been told the exact same thing from "someone in the know"

Nikon are apparently gutted at losing sales to the IDX and have spoken to several switchers who say they have moved for the higher ISO results and increased pixel count, was told the 3 major improvements were a 24mp sensor, aim to better the IDX high ISO noise results by between 1/2 to 1 full stop and to make improvements to the Video

How true is it, well ive no idea.
 
1 stop and another £1000 ...is that worth the upgrade from a D4?

I suppose 'if you get the shot' then yes but I am sure you would get it with a D4 too (even a lowly D3s)...lol.
 
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Heh, oh, it's going to be that much more? Hmmm ... I do have 2 kidneys ...
 
I wouldn't have thought that the pixel count was a reason to switch over as theres only 2mp difference :S ISO performance is another thing entirely, yet the ISO performance in this series of cameras is the best yet and an improvement over the previous gen which pro togs used without any complaints. Very strange reasons to switch if you ask me!
 
It did seem like the d4 made the least advances this generation compared to the last, out of all the new gen cameras and didn't get as much praise.With a lot of people saying the price increase didn't justify the small jump.

If they did do this they should offer some sort of trade back for d4 users or there will be even more p*ssed nikon pros.

Im surprised though with all the complaints about the d800 and d600 not being a proper d700 upgrade(which they supposedly said the d800 wasn't).That they wouldn't bring the so called d700 upgrade body out first.
 
I'm not even sure the 1Dx is any better! I certainly wouldn't switch camps for it. I'd be more than delighted with a D4. Pros are just greedy these days. And fiercely over competitive. Their Canon peers wetting themselves over 14fps probably persuaded the more faux-tog Nikon "pro" - But most wouldn't care for that speed, or more MP.

When I said "I want" - I want a D4 as is - who wouldn't like one? I almost went for it too. Instead of the 800E + new i7 laptop + 24-70 lens. But this package is so much more than better ISO.
 
I use a D3 and the D4 offers me zilch, zip, nadda of an upgrade, the D4S would if the ISO performance was upped and pizel count to 24mp
 
If they bring this out, does that mean we can have a 'D700S' with the regular D4's sensor a la D3/D3S/D700

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Gary Coyle said:
have spoken to several switchers who say they have moved for the higher ISO results and increased pixel count,
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All the people I've heard of who are considering the switch are because the D4 has proved unreliable (to them at least). Mainly this seems to be AF related but not exclusively.
 
maninsuitcase said:
All the people I've heard of who are considering the switch are because the D4 has proved unreliable (to them at least). Mainly this seems to be AF related but not exclusively.
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And ive not heard a single one say theyve had any AF problems, i suspect that most of it is just down to the normal "bandwagon" jumping when the other camp brings out a "better" model.
 
The D4 seems remarkably trouble-free compared to the numbers of complaints about the D800/800e, even considering the differences in numbers of units sold. For me, the D4 was a major upgrade from my D300, and I'm quite happy about it.
 
maninsuitcase said:
All the people I've heard of who are considering the switch are because the D4 has proved unreliable (to them at least). Mainly this seems to be AF related but not exclusively.
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Wow, I wouldn't mind hearing about these problems! I hate to feel like I'm missing out. The AF on mine is faster and more accurate than my D3s was.


Kev.
 
I'd much rather see a D700s as I may be able to afford one, the D800 doesn't work for me so I'm currently only able to shop in the used camera department.
 
kevshore said:
Wow, I wouldn't mind hearing about these problems! I hate to feel like I'm missing out. The AF on mine is faster and more accurate than my D3s was.


Kev.
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I don't think it's fair for names in public, but 1 wildlife pro and 2 press guys have said their D4's have had issues. The wild life guy to the point he won't use the D4, which I'm note sure I get. If it's that bad sell/return it and stick to the trusted D3s.
 
maninsuitcase said:
I don't think it's fair for names in public, but 1 wildlife pro and 2 press guys have said their D4's have had issues. The wild life guy to the point he won't use the D4, which I'm note sure I get. If it's that bad sell/return it and stick to the trusted D3s.
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But,if they have already spoken out about these problems, surely it won't matter if you post a link to them? Not doubting you, I would genuinely be interested to read about their findings.
Also, 3 people doesn't really mean that the D4 has AF problems.

Kev.
 
Googleing 'D4 focus problems' shows only TP threads asking about it. There's the odd report of a bad one elsewhere, but nothing that seems to be anything other then normal QC issues that get addressed nice and quickly by the manufacturer
 
If the D4 had any AF problems at all it would spread like wildfire, you only need to look at the left side AF problem the D800 suffered from, evem more so if it were 1 wildlife pro and 2 press guys
 
No 3 issues isn't a problem, but these 3 issues are all I've heard of for the D4. I haven't heard a single complaint on ISO or megapixels which is why I commented.
But,if they have already spoken out about these problems, surely it won't matter if you post a link to them?
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Fair point so:

The wildlife tog is Andy Rouse. He's been incredibly vocal that the AF isn't fix for purpose (paraphrased). What is exactly wrong I can't tell but he's got a 5 grand camera sat on a shelf and is instead using his D3s and some loaner 1DXs.

Press togs are Leon Neil and some one who's name escapes me. Leon's sent his back at least twice I can recall, and he mentioned a few issues during the Olympics. The other guy said his was going back again with a list of issues as long as my arm.

All the above was gleaned from their comments on twitter, so you can probably go find it of you want. Andy Rouse's will probably be the easiest to find.

Anyway as I said, this doesn't mean its an epidemic, but these are the only things I've heard. There are a few other people I follow/know who have D4s and I've not heard a single bad word.
 
Andy Rouse is purely a thinking mans Ken Rockwell and will say what whoever is paying him the most wants him to say

1 press tog you can name and 1 you cant is hardly an epedemic and when you said
All the people I've heard of who are considering the switch are because the D4 has proved unreliable (to them at least). Mainly this seems to be AF related but not exclusively.
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i think most of assumed you have "heard of" dozens and not just a couple
 
Gary Coyle said:
Andy Rouse is purely a thinking mans Ken Rockwell and will say what whoever is paying him the most wants him to say

1 press tog you can name and 1 you cant is hardly an epedemic and when you said i think most of assumed you have "heard of" dozens and not just a couple
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Maybe I should have been clearer. But yes the Andy Rouse thing doesn't sit straight with me, there's clearly something he's not letting on.
 
Andy Rouse jumped ship from Canon with the D3,maybe Canon are offering him something to jump back again :D
 
Andy Rouse makes a lot of noise about using the best tool for the job with no hang-ups about who provides the tools.

I did, however, note there was a chap from Canon on the workshop of Andy's I went on last year that he seemed quite chummy with. I don't recall there being anyone from Nikon. Probably coincidental - maybe he was just there to absorb some input on improving his own photography :)
 
Gary Coyle said:
I use a D3 and the D4 offers me zilch, zip, nadda of an upgrade, the D4S would if the ISO performance was upped and pizel count to 24mp
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Really? To me there's a massive chasm between the D3 and D4. I can understand D3s users not upgrading but I'd have thought it a no brainer for D3 users.

The only thing I'd improve about the D4 is the colour processing - the green tint issue which has plagued all the new nikons so far as I can see. Its easily solved in lightroom with a hue adjustment to the yellow slider though. I've no need for a D4s.
 
The green tint was an LCD only issue. It didn't transfer to your laptop or desktop.
 
That's where you're wrong. If I get time I can show you examples.

Compared to the d700 and d3s it produces a greener tint to images. WB tint adjustments don't completely remove it for me either - the best way is to adjust the hue of the yellows away from green. Its a pain in the arse tbh.

I don't really look at the LCD screen much and first noticed the issue in post.
 
Unlucky you. My D800 doesn't display any green tint on files during processing, though i thought I noticed a tinge on the LCD here and there.
 
Again, I feel left out. Mine hasn't got a green tint. On lcd or monitor.:shrug:


Kev.
 
Cagey75 said:
The green tint was an LCD only issue. It didn't transfer to your laptop or desktop.
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Cagey75 said:
Unlucky you. My D800 doesn't display any green tint on files during processing, though i thought I noticed a tinge on the LCD here and there.
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TBF, before mine went to Nikon to have the focus fixed, the JPEGs out of camera were unuseable because of a green tint. On screen and in JPEG. Not in RAW though.

After Nikon sorted the focusing, the problem went away entirley of its own accord without them doing anything else (that they admit to)
 
First thing I did when I switched mine on was check for the left focus issue. It was grand. I didn't really notice any green hue creep in until I shot at higher ISO indoors. I use auto WB mostly, and adjust in LR, so it may have just been the fluorescent lighting those times. I only ever shoot RAW so it wont bother me.
 
If this rumour is true then maybe Nikon can start planning NOW at what price it will come to market it. Or maybe they will realise a clerical error after a month :bang:

Again if true then it sounds like competition will be bringing benefits again. Can't wait for the comparison with the 1Dx fights to start.

I also agree that there will be a few people miffed that they bought a D4 (rightly or wrongly) if it does come out.

I'll start the price game - £5499.99 on release at WEX. Park Cameras will have a special discount and their price will be £5499.00 :D:D

I wonder if Nikon have found not enough people upgrading from the D3s. Sounds like a stonking camera though.
 
Gary Coyle said:
Looks like Nikon is still ahead of the 1DX in the low light stakes even before the D4S comes out.
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Gary Coyle said:
Nikon are apparently gutted at losing sales to the IDX and have spoken to several switchers who say they have moved for the higher ISO results and increased pixel count.
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So the verdict is out then? Some say 1Dx, some say D4 is the low light king.
 
Seems like the D4 is better when shooting JPeg and Canon better when shooting RAW

I still say the D3S is more than good enough, but then again i don't have a spare £4500 :lol:
 
The problem is you shoot a sport that has better behaved players, so no Tugster style shots to earn loddsa dough in one go.

I hope Nikon bring this camera out, drop the D4 to £3999 and launch at £4999. That would really give Canon a shot up the arm.
 
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