Nikon 'D' Lenses and New DSLRs (formally 1.4TC Problem)

dragonfly said:
It was intermittent, Chris.
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Just want to check then, what body were you using? I assume you could use the body with the lens fine without the TC, as I can, but just not with the TC. In that case I don't understand what the introduction of a TC has to do with it if what you say about the older teles having a problem with newer bodies is true. The lens definitely works with the body, just not the tc (which according to the Nikon compatibility charts it should). I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I can't understand it. What did you do in the end then?
 
Let's put it in perspective Chris a few years ago I changed from canon to Nikon ,I went through the range d60/70/80 d200 then d7000 which was coupled with a d300s ,and various lenses ,my main lens being a Nikon 300mm f4 coupled with 1.4 and 1.7 t.c's all worked faultlessly with occasional going out of sync but as I said cured by unlocking and re.locking mount .
I then after a life changing health scare decided to sell the d300s and d7000 to fund the all singing d7100 ,as a present to myself .the first brand new u.k body lasted exactly 4 weeks and just over 3000 shots when the electronics packed in .,took it back to the shop they checked it. And replaced with another brand new one .that one lasted 5 weeks and just over 4000 shots ,and then promptly packed in to ,my two mates who had also bought them both had to get there's replaced as well .i took mine back to the shop .whos first response was we will refund you in full and that's without me even asking for a refund .
That's when I changed back to canon ,life's to short to play silly buggers
 
the black fox said:
Let's put it in perspective Chris a few years ago I changed from canon to Nikon ,I went through the range d60/70/80 d200 then d7000 which was coupled with a d300s ,and various lenses ,my main lens being a Nikon 300mm f4 coupled with 1.4 and 1.7 t.c's all worked faultlessly with occasional going out of sync but as I said cured by unlocking and re.locking mount .
I then after a life changing health scare decided to sell the d300s and d7000 to fund the all singing d7100 ,as a present to myself .the first brand new u.k body lasted exactly 4 weeks and just over 3000 shots when the electronics packed in .,took it back to the shop they checked it. And replaced with another brand new one .that one lasted 5 weeks and just over 4000 shots ,and then promptly packed in to ,my two mates who had also bought them both had to get there's replaced as well .i took mine back to the shop .whos first response was we will refund you in full and that's without me even asking for a refund .
That's when I changed back to canon ,life's to short to play silly buggers
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Sure but I don't really understand what you're getting at? What do you think I should do?
 
Have you cleaned the contacts and checked yet?
 
the black fox said:
Let's put it in perspective Chris a few years ago I changed from canon to Nikon ,I went through the range d60/70/80 d200 then d7000 which was coupled with a d300s ,and various lenses ,my main lens being a Nikon 300mm f4 coupled with 1.4 and 1.7 t.c's all worked faultlessly with occasional going out of sync but as I said cured by unlocking and re.locking mount .
I then after a life changing health scare decided to sell the d300s and d7000 to fund the all singing d7100 ,as a present to myself .the first brand new u.k body lasted exactly 4 weeks and just over 3000 shots when the electronics packed in .,took it back to the shop they checked it. And replaced with another brand new one .that one lasted 5 weeks and just over 4000 shots ,and then promptly packed in to ,my two mates who had also bought them both had to get there's replaced as well .i took mine back to the shop .whos first response was we will refund you in full and that's without me even asking for a refund .
That's when I changed back to canon ,life's to short to play silly buggers
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It sounds like you and your friends were extremely unlucky. Over last 5-6 years I've had several Nikon cameras and Ive only ever had one problem with memory card slots on a second hand d7000 (problem solved during repair). The thing is with all manufacturers there may be problems at some point, I'm sure Canon had some problems a few years back that sent people the opposite way. There were a few well known pros who were vocal about it and switched...... and later ended up switching back.

htid said:
Sure but I don't really understand what you're getting at? What do you think I should do?
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There are a few options, 1/ contact Nikon who may or may not be able to solve the issue, 2/ return both the teleconverter and lens, 3/ send the lens and teleconverter away to be checked (didn't you buy them both from a shop with warranty?) 4/ keep the lens and try the kenko TC, if that doesn't work accept that teleconverters may be a problem, 5/ sell up and move to another manufacturer if you really think it's going to help.

I know it's not an ideal situation, even though all older lenses and teleconverters should be compatible due to the f mount there is always this chance of problems when trying to use a newer generation camera with an older lens and TC. To be honest there is only one person in this thread who can really help you and that's Dragonfly as they have experienced the exact problem before. The rest of us are guessing at what could help. If you haven't spoken to where you purchased them both from I would contact them to see if they can advise you, at very least it logs you are having a problem that may result in returning the items.
 
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rob-nikon said:
It sounds like you and your friends were extremely unlucky. Over last 5-6 years I've had several Nikon cameras and Ive only ever had one problem with memory card slots on a second hand d7000 (problem solved during repair). The thing is with all manufacturers there may be problems at some point, I'm sure Canon had some problems a few years back that sent people the opposite way. There were a few well known pros who were vocal about it and switched...... and later ended up switching back.



There are a few options, 1/ contact Nikon who may or may not be able to solve the issue, 2/ return both the teleconverter and lens, 3/ send the lens and teleconverter away to be checked (didn't you buy them both from a shop with warranty?) 4/ keep the lens and try the kenko TC, if that doesn't work accept that teleconverters may be a problem, 5/ sell up and move to another manufacturer if you really think it's going to help.

I know it's not an ideal situation, even though all older lenses and teleconverters should be backwards compatible due to the f mount. there is always this chance of problems when trying to use a newer generation camera with an older lens and TC. To be honest there is only one person in this thread who can really help you and that's Dragonfly as they have experienced the exact problem before. The rest of us are guessing at what could help. If you haven't spoken to where you purchased them both from I would contact them to see if they can advise you, at very least it logs you are having a problem that may result in returning the items.
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I didn't realise there even could be issues with using older lenses and newer bodies :( but the body and lens do work fine so it's really confusing. Anyway I'd prefer not to have to pay to have it repaired after spending over 3k buying the stuff...hopefully cleaning has helped but given Dragonfly's posts I'm not hopeful.

Lens was from ffordes, TC from mpb. Trouble is if I send the lens back I've not seen any others within my price range which means accepting I can't have a 500mm :/ Not sure they'd even accept it back since from their POV it's not broken as it does work with the body. Might end up having to use the kenko which I've read conflicting reports about. Still this is all irrelevant until I try it out so fingers crossed!
 
htid said:
I didn't realise there even could be issues with using older lenses and newer bodies :( but the body and lens do work fine so it's really confusing. Anyway I'd prefer not to have to pay to have it repaired after spending over 3k buying the stuff...hopefully cleaning has helped but given Dragonfly's posts I'm not hopeful.

Lens was from ffordes, TC from mpb. Trouble is if I send the lens back I've not seen any others within my price range which means accepting I can't have a 500mm :/ Not sure they'd even accept it back since from their POV it's not broken as it does work with the body. Might end up having to use the kenko which I've read conflicting reports about. Still this is all irrelevant until I try it out so fingers crossed!
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Sounds like the first course of action is speaking to MPB and ffordes explaining the situation. If you want to keep the 500mm then options are trying another teleconverter (Nikon and/or kenko) or worst case accepting teleconverters can't be used with it. Hoping cleaning the contacts does solve the issue for you.
 
rob-nikon said:
Sounds like the first course of action is speaking to MPB and ffordes explaining the situation. If you want to keep the 500mm then options are trying another teleconverter (Nikon and/or kenko) or worst case accepting teleconverters can't be used with it. Hoping cleaning the contacts does solve the issue for you.
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Yeah I hope so too. As I said earlier in the thread though not sure I want to keep a £2500 lens to gain 80mm over my previous 300mm + 1.4tc if I could save nearly £2000. Fingers double crossed!
 
Well I just got home and tried it after having cleaned it at my parents earlier. It immediately displayed the problem, I touched the camera and it stopped. Now no matter how I twist the camera to put stress on the connection, I cannot make it produce the fault again. I turned it off, turned it on, it did the fault for about half a second and then was ok. I'll just have to see how I go I guess!

*edit* a few more tests of turning it on and off...it keeps showing the fault but only for less than a second at a time. I think I can see the problem however...there's very very slight rotation between tc and lens. If it's doing it and I twist the TC/body anticlockwise, it stops. If I twist it clockwise, it doesn't stop, so it must be something to do with the connection between TC and lens. Interestingly though if it's working fine and I twist it clockwise, it doesn't cause the fault, it just seems to not fix it if it's already happening. At least (for now) I have an easy fix! Let's hope it is that simple!
 
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htid said:
Sure but I don't really understand what you're getting at? What do you think I should do?
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Ive gone through all this crap with Nikon lenses and bodies, 2 years ago i learned only to buy G lenses without the aperture ring and hey presto, not a single issue since, only lens ive bought since with an aperture ring is the Tamron 28-75mm without the built in meter
 
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Gary Coyle said:
Ive gone through all this crap with Nikon lenses and bodies, 2 years ago i learned only to buy G lenses without the aperture ring and hey presto, not a single issue since, only lens ive bought since with an aperture ring is the Tamron 28-75mm without the built in meter
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Well hey if you want to give me an extra few grand to buy the G version of the 500mm, I'll be a very happy man!
 
htid said:
I think I can see the problem however...there's very very slight rotation between tc and lens. If it's doing it and I twist the TC/body anticlockwise, it stops. If I twist it clockwise, it doesn't stop, so it must be something to do with the connection between TC and lens. Interestingly though if it's working fine and I twist it clockwise, it doesn't cause the fault, it just seems to not fix it if it's already happening. At least (for now) I have an easy fix! Let's hope it is that simple!
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Would this not indicate a problem with the TC then?
Wouldn't it be worth returning it and trying another, maybe a cheaper new one (HDEW etc)?
 
gramps said:
Would this not indicate a problem with the TC then?
Wouldn't it be worth returning it and trying another, maybe a cheaper new one (HDEW etc)?
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Well since the other guy's did the same thing I'm not sure that it'd help. Thinking I might return anyway just to rule it out. The problem is that you can't seem to buy the 1.4 II version new anymore, it's all the iii which isn't compatible with my lens.
 
htid said:
Well since the other guy's did the same thing I'm not sure that it'd help. Thinking I might return anyway just to rule it out. The problem is that you can't seem to buy the 1.4 II version new anymore, it's all the iii which isn't compatible with my lens.
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Panamoz are showing as having them, possibly some others somewhere?
 
gramps said:
Panamoz are showing as having them, possibly some others somewhere?
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They're showing out of stock - awaiting stock. They'll not be receiving any I'm sure. Incidentally, I find a lot of these photographic sites searches rubbish! I typed 'nikon teleconvertor' and even just 'teleconvertor' and it said nothing found. Only by going through the menus did i find it. I cant even find any used ones now except from ebay but I'm not getting one from there if it may cause the same problem and need to go back. I might take the whole setup into greys of Westminster to see what they say and failing that, having to sometimes twist the tc isn't THAT big an issue really.
 
htid said:
They're showing out of stock - awaiting stock.
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Apologies I went straight to the product page and it wasn't showing a stock issue there :)
htid said:
I might take the whole setup into greys of Westminster to see what they say
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Sounds like a plan :)
 
gramps said:
Apologies I went straight to the product page and it wasn't showing a stock issue there :)

Sounds like a plan :)
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Well that was useless. Called Greys and the guy said they aren't engineers but can advise. I explained that I have a d7200, 1.4TC II and 500mm ED II lens and he said I should check the Nikon tc compatibility charts. I said I have and it says compatible. He said it might be that the older lenses aren't comaptible with the newer TCs. I then gave up. The lens seems to have been released in 2003 and the TC ii I can't find a date but it seems in the 90s so it's not like they weren't around at the same time! :S Guess I'll just have to accept it...but what did people do back when this lens was relesased? Just not use the 1.4TC (the only Nikon one around at the time) with it?? Really confused about that...unless it's just the fact that it's a newer body that's causing an issue. I do have a d5000 I can test it on for a while to see if I get the same problem, but how old does the body have to be to not be classed as 'too new'? All very strange.
 
htid said:
Well that was useless. Called Greys and the guy said they aren't engineers but can advise. I explained that I have a d7200, 1.4TC II and 500mm ED II lens and he said I should check the Nikon tc compatibility charts. I said I have and it says compatible. He said it might be that the older lenses aren't comaptible with the newer TCs. I then gave up. The lens seems to have been released in 2003 and the TC ii I can't find a date but it seems in the 90s so it's not like they weren't around at the same time! :confused: Guess I'll just have to accept it...but what did people do back when this lens was relesased? Just not use the 1.4TC (the only Nikon one around at the time) with it?? Really confused about that...unless it's just the fact that it's a newer body that's causing an issue. I do have a d5000 I can test it on for a while to see if I get the same problem, but how old does the body have to be to not be classed as 'too new'? All very strange.
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Its not beyond the realms of possibility you have a "dodgy" TC, nor is it beyond the realms of possibility MPB knowingly supplied a "dodgy" lens, its been known in the past that they occasionally supply untried and untested gear, send it back before its too late and settle for a Kenko
 
Chris, where are you based, if local to me you could pop over and try all my TC's, Nikon 1.4x, Nikon 1.7x and Kenko 1.4x
 
Gary Coyle said:
Chris, where are you based, if local to me you could pop over and try all my TC's, Nikon 1.4x, Nikon 1.7x and Kenko 1.4x
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Unfortunately I'm in South London which if your location is correct, is a long way from you. Everything I've read suggests that the Kenko is slightly inferior to the Nikon, maybe not at the centre but definitely drops off dramatically towards the edges. I think putting up with having to keep turning the TC is a better option than accepting lesser quality after spending that much on a top quality lens specifically for the image quality it can produce. If you're happy to though, post up some 100% crops of the same images taken with the Kenko and Nikon and I can compare myself.

As for a dodgey TC, as I said the other guy's TC I tried also showed the same problem so I doubt it's the TC. Even if I did return it, there are no other Nikon 1.4TC ii available at the moment so I wouldn't be able to get another. The lens could be the problem, I'm not sure, but it does work with the camera. If I return the lens though, there's no alternative so as I said it means accepting that I can't have a 500mm since the VR ones are out of my price range.
 
htid said:
Unfortunately I'm in South London which if your location is correct, is a long way from you. Everything I've read suggests that the Kenko is slightly inferior to the Nikon, maybe not at the centre but definitely drops off dramatically towards the edges. I think putting up with having to keep turning the TC is a better option than accepting lesser quality after spending that much on a top quality lens specifically for the image quality it can produce. If you're happy to though, post up some 100% crops of the same images taken with the Kenko and Nikon and I can compare myself.

As for a dodgey TC, as I said the other guy's TC I tried also showed the same problem so I doubt it's the TC. Even if I did return it, there are no other Nikon 1.4TC ii available at the moment so I wouldn't be able to get another. The lens could be the problem, I'm not sure, but it does work with the camera. If I return the lens though, there's no alternative so as I said it means accepting that I can't have a 500mm since the VR ones are out of my price range.
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If you were able to pay some towards postage, I have a Nikon 1.4x TC ii you could try with yours... it's possibly for sale... I only use it about once a year.
 
I've just realised something. I was testing again and I've taken the neoprene camo covering off the lens. It's the lens itself making the fast clicking sound! It sounds like it's in the section between aperture ring and drop in filter. If I take the drop in filter out, I can hear it quite loudly in there (well, louder...you still have to put your ear close to hear it). Just spent 5 mins twisting and disconnecting it all without it fixing this time :/ think the lens may have to go back!
 
htid said:
Just spent 5 mins twisting and disconnecting it all without it fixing this time :/ think the lens may have to go back!
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Pity, was it so cheap that you won't be able to find another?
 
I have an old d5000 here and try as I might I cannot make this body, TC and the lens cause the error even once. So is it the body??? Need to find someone nearby with a d7200 to see if theirs does the same.
 
Just a thought Chris - is there a latest software update for the D7200 -
 
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BillN_33 said:
Just an off thought Chris - is there a latest software update for the D7200 -
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Very good point. I'm not sure, I'll have to have a look at that but don't even know how tbh.
 
Don't think there has been an update for the D7200, except distortion control.
 
macvisual said:
AF-S Nikkor 500mm f/4D IF-ED II

That model of Nikkor lens gets stonking reviews Chris, it's probably the model I'd like to get on down the line a bit.
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Agreed, but if it doesn't work with a tc on newer bodies, that's a major issue. Either you have to accept you can't use a new body, or can't use a Nikon TC. Neither of which should have to be the solution when you spend such large amounts of money on the equipment :/
 
htid said:
Agreed, but if it doesn't work with a tc on newer bodies, that's a major issue. Either you have to accept you can't use a new body, or can't use a Nikon TC. Neither of which should have to be the solution when you spend such large amounts of money on the equipment :/
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It's very odd that Nikon would make that mistake regards compatibility with lenses/TC's/bodies not gelling together.....!

Strange....
 
Just had a chat with the Nikon repair centre here in the UK. It's not a known issue to them apparently but they'll look into it (not holding out much hope).
 
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