News Of The World - How delightful!

Conspiracy theory alert.

Hearing of the merger of the sun and news of the world was wanted but heavily opposed by staff (apparently).

Could News International have put this info out there deliberately to create a series of events to help Murdoch combine papers & reduce his monopoly therefore making his BSkyB takeover more attractive in a business sense?
 
Conspiracy theory alert.

Hearing of the merger of the sun and news of the world was wanted but heavily opposed by staff (apparently).

Could News International have put this info out there deliberately to create a series of events to help Murdoch combine papers & reduce his monopoly therefore making his BSkyB takeover more attractive in a business sense?


Not if what Shirley Williams said on QT about fitness to hold a broadcasting licence is correct......
 
SSDD sums it up really:(
 
Garry

I knew because there has to be some point or result of corruption. Be that 'loosing' evidence, or passing information, or stitching someone up. Now if it were that much of a problem it would be obvious, and it wasn't.
I've not said it didn't happen, because it did, just not to the extent that some might imagine, or like to portray.

As for reporting it? No, it wasn't difficult at all, the phone number for CIB2 Reserve was in the phone book. One simple phone call. Of course if you made a malicious allegation, your career was over, but if it were genuine, no one would hold it against you.

I'm only too aware that free food was more a case of refusal to accept payment, but it was certainly done with the expectation of a quick response when a fight broke out on a Friday night. So yes, it's a mild form of corruption, but seen as an acceptable one by most of us.

To return to this the NoW, the sums being talked about are apparently high, and albeit that information is gleamed from the press. If it's true, and wasn't just a few jurnos saying they had to pay off Police and having a payday themselves, then in a way its much more worrying than the phone hacking it's self. Given that at the moment, Police pays not that bad, if police are feeling the need to take backhanders then it does mean the service has a great deal to worry about.

When the subject was talked about during my service, it was in the context of, if you were going to take a bribe, the amount would have to be so high as to be equal to more than what you'd earn in the rest of your service and pension, plus a lot in case you got caught and spent time inside. So basically, less than a couple of million, it's just not worth it.
 
168yo 'news'paper and 300 staff gone or repositioned, Rebekah Brooks unaffected:suspect:

Yes isn't it strange that when all is going well the management grab all the credit, headlines and limelight - yet when the brown smelly stuff is propelled around the room at high speed "they had no idea what was going on". PMSL
 
Love the obviously unbiased reporting on the Sun website today.

The problem appears to have only started in 1996 whilst the scapegoat, sorry editor after RB, Andy Coulson was in charge!!!!
 
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Garry

I knew because there has to be some point or result of corruption. Be that 'loosing' evidence, or passing information, or stitching someone up. Now if it were that much of a problem it would be obvious, and it wasn't.
But would you necessarily have known about 'looking the other way'? Dodgy clubs, brothels, 'insurance' etc?


I'm only too aware that free food was more a case of refusal to accept payment, but it was certainly done with the expectation of a quick response when a fight broke out on a Friday night. So yes, it's a mild form of corruption, but seen as an acceptable one by most of us.
Yes, fast response, but also they welcome having a police car parked outside while they get and eat the food.

To return to this the NoW, the sums being talked about are apparently high, and albeit that information is gleamed from the press. If it's true, and wasn't just a few jurnos saying they had to pay off Police and having a payday themselves, then in a way its much more worrying than the phone hacking it's self. Given that at the moment, Police pays not that bad, if police are feeling the need to take backhanders then it does mean the service has a great deal to worry about.
Well, it's all speculation but I doubt whether there were high sums involved, and we'll never know because the true sums will never come out. Possibly nothing more than the usual tip off whenever some soap celebrity's other half accepts a caution for doing something he shouldn't with his wife in a range rover... but of course it could be much more, I doubt whether we will ever really know.

Actually I don't have a problem with police corruption simply because it isn't acceptable to the police. It's impossible to stop all corruption in public office, but at least our police do come down very hard on it (now) when it's discovered - as you said yesterday, that isn't the case in all countries.
 
Love the obviously unbiased reporting on the Sun website today.

The problem appears to have only started in 1986 whilst the scapegoat, sorry editor after RB, Andy Coulson was in charge!!!!


What you mean everyone had mobile phones to hack BEFORE 1986
 
Garry

I don't know about now, but we'd not have a car parked outside while it was cooked, and certainly wouldn't eat a meal there!

Again, in your examples, the reality is that if any of those things, dodgy clubs brothels etc were going on, then you'd be told to leave them alone. I never was, I don't know anyone that was, so it wasn't happening. I guess it's difficult to see from the outside how difficult it was to be corrupt, and how much money thats really required to make the vast majority want to go bent. Not only that, but your chances of getting caught were so high as to not be worth the risk. Yes, everyone has a price, but mine (and most others) was way over 2 Million. No one was going to pay me that, so it was never going to happen.

I accept that the late 60s/early 70's were different, but again, the reality is it was no where near as bad as painted or imagined. There were not corrupt oficers under every stone. Yes, they still got freebies, and yes there were a few who took back handers, but very few.
Op Countryman was intended to clear out corruption, but it found so little of it, it turned into a waste of time. Those who had a vested interest in portraying the Police badly will say that it was because of cover ups etc, but it was through, and found very little, mostly at a very low level.

There's been the odd spat here and there since, some of it plainly stupid (ESSO Car regirstation numbers lottary for example). A few idiots selling whats on the PNC and one or 2 who were running armed robberies or Toms. Comparitively speaking though less than a couple of 100 over the last 30 years given the turn over of Police in that time, is a tiny perceptage.

I think we will get to know what the sums were in the NoW allagations, if they are proven to be genuine. Like all press reports, I take everything they say with a pinch of salt, truthfulness not being something ANY of our press seem to enjoy.
 
Not sure if anyone knows this but there already is a sun on Sunday. has been for a long time and they were on the news today saying they will not let NI use that title in any form.
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/
 
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Not sure if anyone knows this but there already is a sun on Sunday. has been for a long time and they were on the news today saying they will not let NI use that title in any form.
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/

What's that company's share price today? I bet it hasn't fallen overnight ... and I wish you'd told me yesterday, Terri, when you invested your life savings so wisely ;) :lol:
 
The SUN Day?
Doesnt take much to get round that tbh.
 
Not sure if anyone knows this but there already is a sun on Sunday. has been for a long time and they were on the news today saying they will not let NI use that title in any form.
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/

Same situation as the Sunday edition of the Daily Mail, which is called the Mail on Sunday, because there already was (and still is) a paper called the Sunday Mail -expect something similar for the new NI rag.
 
i'm just saying what the owner said of the sunday sun owner said they wll find a way round it.
 
Apparently a raft of domains involving the words Sunday and sun were purchased on Tuesday?
 
Statement:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/08/message-rebekah-brooks-news-international-staff
Dear All

Yesterday was a day of great sadness for the News of the World and I know all of you felt deep sympathy for colleagues. I want the whole of the company to know and recognise the following things about colleagues at the News of the World.

That team, led by Colin Myler, are hugely talented, dedicated and professional. Moreover, they are respected by their peers throughout the industry.

They have endured unprecedented scrutiny while propelling the paper to award after award. While mistakes of the past have led the country's news agenda, News of the World exclusives have set the news agenda around the world.

Importantly, too, News of the World has touched readers' lives in many other ways – such as the Children's Champions Awards, the For Sarah campaign, Go Green and Save, and the crusade to make the Military Covenant law.

These are great achievements and every member of staff should feel proud of them.

The company will focus over the coming months on finding as many jobs as possible for the News of the World staff both within News International and the wider company.

Retaining talent is very important and I have asked all the other titles to fill current vacancies with those from the News of the World where possible. No decision has been taken yet on any new publications or expanding existing ones. We will retain Fabulous which is a credit to everyone who has made it such a successful and award-winning magazine.

All current staff will be paid for the next three months. We have begun full consultation with NISA [News International Staff Association] and will offer support and provide regular updates to everyone affected.

We will make sure that any redundancy packages will be fair and are meeting NISA on Monday to start discussions over severance terms and redeployment options. In addition, we are working on a framework for a bonus scheme.

I would also like to apologise for any operational problems in the newsroom that are a direct result of our co-operation with the police.

I held a town hall meeting with News of the World staff at 4pm today to answer questions about what will happen next.

In response to media coverage today, I would like to address several additional points relating to the ongoing police inquiries and my role.

News International is not leading an investigation into itself because that could interfere with the work of the Metropolitan Police. What we are doing is assisting the police, who are entirely independent, with their work. We are all clear about one thing: the police will follow the evidence no matter where it takes them. The strongest action will be taken whenever wrongdoing is proven.

People have asked if it is right for me, as CEO of News International and as the Editor of the News of the World until January 2003, to oversee our efforts to assess allegations, address serious issues and prevent them from happening again. I'm determined that News International does this.

For the avoidance of any doubt, however, the News Corporation independent directors agree with James Murdoch's recommendation that the Management and Standards Committee, comprised of Will Lewis, Simon Greenberg and Jeff Palker, report directly to Joel Klein in New York. Joel is leading and directing the company's overall handling of this matter. Many of you will know that Joel is a respected former assistant attorney general of the United States. Joel and Viet Dinh, an independent director, are giving oversight and keeping our parent company's Board advised as well.

James outlined the standards this company demands in his message to you yesterday. These standards apply to everyone, first and foremost to me as News International's chief executive.

As a company we welcome the prime minister's calls for broad public inquiries into media standards and police practices. We are working hard to put our own house in order and do the right thing. Change and accountability will come through cooperating with criminal and civil inquiries and respecting due process during the tough times ahead.

For this week, however, the News of the World staff have the toughest and most important job of all. I know they will produce a final issue that we will make us all proud.

Rebekah
 
Btw if anyone was wondering about renegade NoTW reports going rogue - it's already happening! :lol:
 
I just know I'm gonna regret buying the newspapers for the next week or so. They're all gonna be full of stories . . . about newspapers.
 
mercedes said:
I just know I'm gonna regret buying the newspapers for the next week or so. They're all gonna be full of stories . . . about newspapers.

Amazingly, you do have a choice ;)
 
The shadow government are bleating on about the need for an immediate inquiry/appointment of a Judge!

It is astonishing that this all happened on their watch and they did nothing ! Politicians !!!
 
Will be interesting to see how many copies are sold today. I would imagine many will buy out of some sort of curiosity but I would imagine many won't as they would feel embarrassed to be seen buying it.

Getting a bit ahead of ourself in old age are we deary? :lol:


It's still Satireday today ;)
 
Well wow. I've barely been able to keep up with the story developing today, and it looks to continue with some serious fireworks tomorrow. News corp shares have just dropped on NASDAQ by 7% and shareholders are suing NI for not responding sooner to the scandal, 3 papers are (rumoured) to be for sale, and they've pulled out of the sky bid.

Coming up tomorrow, cameron's gonna have to make a statement, despite being noticeably missing today, the hackers anonymous are promising a seriously big revelation, and more...

Not one of Murdoch's finest days...

It'll be very interesting to see the state of the UK media this time next week.


follow @fieldproducer on twitter for the latest, Neal works for Sky news and is one of the best sources and journalist users of twitter - he breaks things, constantly.
 
They haven't officially pulled out the sky bid yet.

my bad, losing track.... been referred to the competition commission with immediate effect about the sky bid :)
 
No but I've just heard it's been turned down.

Sort of but not quite.

Murdoch's withdrawn his promise that Sky News will be an independent entity and as a result the Govt have referred the bid to the Monopolies Commission.

It actually works in the Aussie's favour as without the referral he would have almost certainly had the bid refused.

NB: the above is a very simplistic version! :)
 
Their bid has now been withdrawn.
 
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