Newborn Photography HELP!!!

for anyone that knows their thing about lighting ive been looking around and obviously im a student and im not rich haha! I've been reasearching lighting and it seems lots use umbrellas but also softboxes..im still no better off in knowing which one is best.

I'm also a beauty youtuber and for that softboxes are most popular so i figured if i get this kit with softboxes i have killed 2 birds with one stone lol! I'm just wondering if you think this is any good as a BEGINNER set up?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Photography...740504&sr=8-1&keywords=studio+photography+kit
 
for anyone that knows their thing about lighting ive been looking around and obviously im a student and im not rich haha! I've been reasearching lighting and it seems lots use umbrellas but also softboxes..im still no better off in knowing which one is best.

I'm also a beauty youtuber and for that softboxes are most popular so i figured if i get this kit with softboxes i have killed 2 birds with one stone lol! I'm just wondering if you think this is any good as a BEGINNER set up?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Photography-Continuous-Equipment-Backdrops-Background/dp/B00HNIJG8O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422740504&sr=8-1&keywords=studio photography kit
In the very serious hope that you're not going to take this as a negative. That lighting kit isn't any good at all. The light output isn't high enough to photograph a living subject (at a pinch, you could shoot still life, but someone will quote CRI figures to say you shouldn't). To shoot people, if you haven't got proper daylight, you need flash.

To see the difference, try this thought process: your camera was designed to shoot in daylight. On a bright summers day, with just the light in your living room coming through the windows, if you turn the big light on, does it make the room brighter? The answer is no! Your 'big light' that's ok to live by, is really low powered to your camera.

That softbox kit gives out about the same amount of light as your room light. It's not usable for photography.
 
thankyou for your reply im so glad you told me i was about to buy it!! It is advertised for photography though. If i was to get it, what effect would it give me i hope to use it in conjunction with daylight too its to support the daylight. I know your not supposed to have your iso too high due to the grainyness so i figured this would help so that i can have a low iso. Would it improve the lighting in my photos or make them worse?
 
I think you'd be much better saving up and buying something better. Do you have any flash guns already?
 
no the whole element of it confuses me all the bouncing and diffusing and aiming i dont have a clue how they work or even how to begin!! haha im abit worried about it being for newborns too i dont really want to fire flash in their eyes even though some say it's 'safe' i dont want to take any risks.
 
welshnoob i only liked that set up for the two softboxes and the background stand its the main reason i wanted it to eliminate any other background. I've looked at huge set ups but they are all so expensive and i work a crappy job for £3 an hour! haha i have done loads of reasearch on reflectors and found some decent ones so thanks for that pointers. I feel abit out of my depth with flashes ive watched videos and read about them i just find them so confusing!
 
@Caitlin - just a general thought about low cost gear...you get what you pay for whether it be the 'bargain' you had your eye on or dSLR kits with oh so many accessories such as the flimsy tripod and add on tele convertor lens. Too many folk get suckered in :) IMO you need to think the lines of how much can I afford to spend and not skimp on the money??? If too little money give that step in your plans a delay until you can afford the best you can get for the money.

@Phil - do you think she might benefit from any of the lighting kits in the TP For Sale section? Or as a starter "kit" perhaps a single speed light and reflectors?

I know these aspects of reply are drifting away from the fact that this is the Business Forum but this is where it has progressed ;)
 
It might be worth looking at something like this.

Disney Princess - New LED Light testing

I think for newborns (as I have at home) natural light or some gentle assistance is best. I used my iPad to provide some lighting.
 
im abit worried about it being for newborns.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, it's all new born, new born, new born. You want to do new born 'photography'. If you master the photography part, you can take photos of anything you want with a little adaptation.
 
Here is a poorly shot pic of my baby which was lit naturally, I'll be doing some better ones soon now she is just over 3 weeks and has her eyes open more!

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One Speed light guides

http://digital-photography-school.com/one-light-portraits-simple-elegance/

http://pixsylated.com/blog/its-where-you-put-the-one-speedlite-you-have-that-matters/

Remember my 'walk before you run' advice ......that applies go the cameracraft as well your desire to pursue photographing new born. Develop your craft taking general portraiture and enhance what you learn from that with the (occasionally) available infant/new born.

Chin up and walk the path :)

PS are there any evening classes in your town? My area has photography classes, though it has been many years since looked at the program I think there was one on portraiture....perhaps you can find one near you?
 
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Yup i'm taking your advice of not running before i can walk but i have a newborn in the family lol i plan on taking photos of people too in order to gain experiance in all element of it so im going to be giving that a whirl but i need some lighting regardless for my youtube videos so it would just be a bonus being able to have them for photography too.

Rick your baby is gorgeous! Lovely photo too!

It just so happens i get to have the chance to practice on children and babies becuase i have alot in my family, it'd be silly not to photograph the subjects i actually want to when they are family. But yes i do want to do it all to gain experiance and knowledge.

Thankyou for all the links im reading up on them now and bookmarking them.

I can't stretch much further than the price i found the set up i posted for i just can't afford it at the moment but i do need lighting anyway i just wanted to know if these would be good for photography aswel i dont want to buy this set up for youtube...for me to only have to buy better lights later down the line when i have abit more cash (not that i ever will haha!!)
 
oo sharky where you from? rochdale is so small im shocked anyone knows it lol
 
oo sharky where you from? rochdale is so small im shocked anyone knows it lol
Small hardly! Know any where from Kingsways to Queensway and a whole lot of Sandbrook ;)

Seriously though if you do need 'help' or too bounce ideas to someone let me know.
 
Im near sandbrook...kind of! hahaha thankyou so much thats really kind! Nice to know someone closer to me too!!
 
Portraiture with budget lighting.

http://petapixel.com/2011/03/25/quality-portraits-with-budget-lighting/

http://digital-photography-school.com/forum/lighting/103410-halogen-worklights-portraits.html

http://www.diyphotography.net/introduction-to-worklights-photography/

As noted the halogen work lights run very hot so IMO a no no near anything as delicate as a baby but with care perhaps OK for your YouTube videos and portraiture practice.

This one more general skillshttp://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2012/08/29/studio-lighting-4-seriously-simple-lighting-techniques-to-try-at-home/

PS did you see my PS above about evening classes?
 
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Im near sandbrook...kind of! hahaha thankyou so much thats really kind! Nice to know someone closer to me too!!
No worries, Sandbrook isn't far from my daily commute and always enjoy a nice meal at the Copper Pot. Seriously willing to help out if required.
 
ive messaged you sharky!:) and the first link dosn't work box brownie im looking at the other links now, thankyou youve been such a big help!
 
ive messaged you sharky!:) and the first link dosn't work box brownie im looking at the other links now, thankyou youve been such a big help!

Oooops! first link corrected :)
 
Here is a poorly shot pic of my baby which was lit naturally, I'll be doing some better ones soon now she is just over 3 weeks and has her eyes open more!
Rick, not to be harsh, but that just shows that a badly lit shot is possible @caitlinjade95 already has experience of this. The question is about improving from there.
 
I agree with the others who have said concentrate on the photography first then move to newborn. You might find you really enjoy portraiture and have a natural talent for it.

Having said that, you could always get a realistic doll and use that to practice your lighting skills with natural light and simple reflectors. This way it wouldn't matter if you spent ages trying out different setups. Could also find out about aperture, shutter speeds and iso - for example would allow you to see what iso you are able to get away with.
 
welshnoob i only liked that set up for the two softboxes and the background stand its the main reason i wanted it to eliminate any other background. I've looked at huge set ups but they are all so expensive and i work a crappy job for £3 an hour! haha i have done loads of reasearch on reflectors and found some decent ones so thanks for that pointers. I feel abit out of my depth with flashes ive watched videos and read about them i just find them so confusing!
Let's see if we can help to distill what you really need then:
two softboxes?
How many lights are lighting a subject you shoot outside in daylight? That's why (in the lighting and studio section) we advise starting with one light and learning all you can do with it.

background stand its the main reason i wanted it to eliminate any other background?
The background stands will come in handy, but how many great baby shots are on a black white or green background? A big soft sheet, spring loaded clips and a couple of sweeping brushes leant against a wall will give an appropriate seamless background for free(ish).

work a crappy job for £3 an hour!
Then not wasting your money on stuff you don't need, or is crap, is more important to you.

I feel abit out of my depth with flashes ive watched videos and read about them i just find them so confusing!
Light in photography is the big key, light creates shadows, shadows create form. Here's 3 principals that you need to grasp that help you work out your own solutions:
1. The (apparently) larger a light source the softer the light, the further away the source the smaller it appears*

2. Light travels in straight lines and therefore the ingle of reflectance is equal to the angle of incidence**. In laymans terms it bounces off surfaces same as a pool ball.

3. As light travels it's intensity is subject to the inverse square law, if you double the distance between light and subject, you need four times the power for the same amount of light.***

* a couple of thoughts from this; the sun is massive but on a clear day it's a point light source because it's so far away. On an overcast day the cloud cover creates one giant softbox, beautiful shadowless lighting for shooting babies or your mum, rubbish for architecture (no shadows means no wrinkles, or architectural dimension).

** from your physics lessons about 6 years ago

***luckily for you, you're shooting a small subject lit from fairly close, so you don't need lots of power


All of that stuff is discussed in the lighting section on a regular basis, I might have mentioned it before.
 
I agree with the others who have said concentrate on the photography first then move to newborn. You might find you really enjoy portraiture and have a natural talent for it.

Having said that, you could always get a realistic doll and use that to practice your lighting skills with natural light and simple reflectors. This way it wouldn't matter if you spent ages trying out different setups. Could also find out about aperture, shutter speeds and iso - for example would allow you to see what iso you are able to get away with.

i have taken a few small photography classes which covered aperture shutter speeds and iso, i already use my camera for product photography so i do have a decent idea what they do and how to control them but i do need to fine tune that art and i love the idea about the doll thankyou!
 
thanks for your comment about the lighting it's helped alot, alot of other places said one softbox will be fine but the setup came with two so i thought it might be better. I know i need to practice with my lighting and ill be reading up some more on the topic of it i just wanted opinions on the set up, thankyou for your replies!
 
The doll idea is a good one. @caitlinjade95 if you could save up for a good flash gun and learn to use it with a reflector that would produce some wonderful results with plenty of practice.

The art of bouncing light off walls and ceilings is not too difficult to grasp with a but of practice.

I reckon you could pick up a decent second hand speedlight for around 100 quid on Ebay and reflectors are really cheap, a suitable one can be bought for around 20 quid.

That would be a great start, once you've mastered that you'll likely find you don't wish to purchase any more lighting. :-)
 
is a flash gun only good for photos im trying to double up on lighting for youtube that is all, im really interested in getting a flash gun so ill have to shop around and try and find what im looking for lol because i really have no clue do you have to buy different ones for different cameras?
 
Lighting for video needs continuous lighting, flash won't work, and fluorescent bulb systems may show on your video as flicker.

Lighting for photography is best with flash. Continuous can be used but with conventional filament bulbs you get a lot of heat, and the light output isn't as good as flash. OK for product photography for things that don't melt.

One system that is good for both is going to be difficult to find, especially on a budget.

So:-

I would suggest for the camera side - start with a speed light - add a radio trigger to take the flash off the camera, add a flash stand, add some lighting modifiers, add a second flash, and get good quality, secondhand stuff rather than cheap tat from eBay. If you are time rich, cash poor make some stuff yourself - see http://www.diyphotography.net/category/diy/

Flash guns often are camera specific - but there are good, cheap, Chinese flash guns made by Nissin and Yongnuo.
 
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One system that is good for both is going to be difficult to find, especially on a budget.
So good it needed repeating. In fact I'd use the word impossible if we're including a budget
 
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which is why i was asking about the soft boxes now that i know they arn't any good im looking around for flashes, my videos are fine with natural lighting so a flash would be the first thing i bought and thankyo ufor the like im taking a look now!
 
is a flash gun only good for photos im trying to double up on lighting for youtube that is all, im really interested in getting a flash gun so ill have to shop around and try and find what im looking for lol because i really have no clue do you have to buy different ones for different cameras?

Yes, a flash won't be much use for video I'm afraid. Canon and Nikon do their own models but you can get some decent 3rd party ones. Have a look on Wex Photographic website. :-)

This is a decent guide.

http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/wex-guide-to-lighting-options-flashguns
 
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thankyou very much im watching videos on it now and things. Im glad i asked lol i was going to get that set up kit but im glad i didnt im going to get the newborn posing beanbag from shoot baby with the backdrop stand too ive found this kit on etsy would this be suitable? https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/847...y+kit&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery

im going to get a flashgun too i need to get loads of reasearch lol!!
 
Plastic pipe and fittings you can get from somewhere like b&q very cheaply. You can get a sheet of fabric from fabric warehouses and a bean bag you can easily find locally.

Absolutely, you could even make your own reflector with cardboard and white paper. :-)
 
£100 seems extortionately expensive for what you could diy in an hour.
 
Absolutely, you could even make your own reflector with cardboard and white paper. :)
All of the above, you can create studio quality lighting for peanuts. But first you have to grasp the nettle and stop seeing flash as some mystical thing you'll never grasp...
no the whole element of it confuses me all the bouncing and diffusing and aiming i dont have a clue how they work or even how to begin!!

Write down the principals I posted above, then ask yourself a question about a lighting situation. Look at those statements and the answer will appear. If it was complicated, I couldn't do it. :D
 
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