New Speeding Fines from Monday24/04/2017

that is true and i am sure you think it defends you but it means you are a criminal for speeding and I am not for not speeding.... its not rocket science.

Nobody gets a criminal record for speeding, and I call utter b*****ks on you've never been over the speed limit unless you don't possess a driving licence or drive any kind of motorised vehicle

I'm sure there are many others but I know of 2 roads where the only safe overtaking spot for miles has the camera van waiting for anyone that dare to go over 50 on a perfectly straight length of road in the peak district to complete a safe overtake of a slow moving truck, if a truck is doing 45mph I want to be in the danger zone for as little as possible not crawl past it
 
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Typically, I just received my first speeding ticket in 19 years - except it wasn't for me, it was for a car I sold a couple of days ago which was apparently driven past the speed camera at the end of my road at nearly double the limit by the new owner minutes after picking it up. That should be fun to challenge. :P
 
I didn't even know that we'd started linking fines to income.

Are they ever linked or is it just a 'maximum' that courts ignore.
Have been doing so for a long time and they are imposed as such, rather than it just being a theoretical maximum - I had an argument with a magistrate about it (at a dinner party, not in court :p ) about 15 years ago.
 
There's quite a good article on braking and speed and fatality risk here: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/braking.html

It makes an interesting point about people working things out in time not distance.
That article says : It's well known, perhaps even obvious, that braking distances increase with the square of speed

While everyone gets taught the formula for kinetic energy in science at school when they are about 12 or 13, unfortunately it seems very few retain that knowledge. So the fact that braking distances are proportional to the square of speed is less obvious to the average person than the author supposes (sadly). The other component is the distance covered in reaction time which is proportional to speed.

I had someone tell me this bit of information in great surprise after going on a speed awareness course. When I said "well, of course, it's kinetic energy and the formula is a half mass times velocity squared" he looked at me like I'd arrived from another planet because I knew that without looking it up :(
 
I must admit to having a little chuckle to myself this morning, the news reported that the new speeding penalties came in force today,
the news reader went on to say that 51 in a 30 and 101 on a motorway will incur the new maximum.

No mention of exceeding 40, 50, 60 limits nor exceeding 70 on a dual carriageway, so I guess they are penalty free now?

:D
 
I must admit to having a little chuckle to myself this morning, the news reported that the new speeding penalties came in force today,
the news reader went on to say that 51 in a 30 and 101 on a motorway will incur the new maximum.

No mention of exceeding 40, 50, 60 limits nor exceeding 70 on a dual carriageway, so I guess they are penalty free now?

:D
Feel free to try it and let us know how you get on.
 
I must admit to having a little chuckle to myself this morning, the news reported that the new speeding penalties came in force today,
the news reader went on to say that 51 in a 30 and 101 on a motorway will incur the new maximum.

No mention of exceeding 40, 50, 60 limits nor exceeding 70 on a dual carriageway, so I guess they are penalty free now?

:D
And Rachel Burden on 5Live said that fines would be 150 times weekly income - that woke me up [emoji4]
Later she corrected it to 150% [emoji3]
 
Sorry, but 36 in a 30 is avoidable.
If you're not aware, you're not concentrating.

That is correct.

But my argument and others posting here is that these speed cameras are being justified as in the name of safety and are nothing to do with making money.

The argument is put that 'speed' causes accidents when in reality what is being said there in that statement is that the movement of vehicles causes accidents. All movements of vehicles at any speed causes accidents eventually. The problem lies at what level does the speed become dangerous at. The only true answer to that is a stationary vehicle is the only safe vehicle. That being known, it is a simple fact that as soon as anyone creates a speed limit at whatever level it can never be argued that it is not dangerous, so the argument can never be won.

Safety is espoused as the reason for speed cameras and facts and figures are peddled out in justification for there exitance at the same time as denials are made that they are there to collect revenue.

When one considers the consequences of a vehicle passing a red traffic signal as appossed to a vehicle travelling at 35mph in a 30 mph one has to wonder why there are very few cameras located at traffic lights to deter / detec drivers failing to obey a red signal especially when saftey is the main concern.

I suspect that it may have something to do with the frequency of vehicles exceeding the speed limit rather than the consequences of red traffic signals passed at danger.

:police:
 
Does the reason given for placing speed cameras really matter though?
If they simply said they were put out to gather revenue, would people drive slower? No, I don't think so.
 
That is correct.

But my argument and others posting here is that these speed cameras are being justified as in the name of safety and are nothing to do with making money.

The argument is put that 'speed' causes accidents when in reality what is being said there in that statement is that the movement of vehicles causes accidents. All movements of vehicles at any speed causes accidents eventually. The problem lies at what level does the speed become dangerous at. The only true answer to that is a stationary vehicle is the only safe vehicle. That being known, it is a simple fact that as soon as anyone creates a speed limit at whatever level it can never be argued that it is not dangerous, so the argument can never be won.

Safety is espoused as the reason for speed cameras and facts and figures are peddled out in justification for there exitance at the same time as denials are made that they are there to collect revenue.

When one considers the consequences of a vehicle passing a red traffic signal as appossed to a vehicle travelling at 35mph in a 30 mph one has to wonder why there are very few cameras located at traffic lights to deter / detec drivers failing to obey a red signal especially when saftey is the main concern.

I suspect that it may have something to do with the frequency of vehicles exceeding the speed limit rather than the consequences of red traffic signals passed at danger.

:police:
We have quite a few sets of traffic lights around our area with cameras that will catch both speeding cars and those that jump a red light. If a set of lights doesn't have that many people driving through red lights or speeding through the junction, there is little point in putting the cameras there.
 
Yes there is. An empty box will all but stop people speeding through that section or jumping the lights, especially if it has at some point been a "live" camera.
 
I don't think it will change people's behaviour until the full reality of NTP appearing in people's mail manifests itself.

I watched a new C3 this morning on the A316, happy to travel between cameras as well above limit, where the cameras are he brakes sharply. Unfortunately in my nice shiny Saab behind him...then after last camera (Still in 50) both he and I accelerate, he then brakes sharply as he sees hi-Vis vests at the last bridge before M3...and he gets a flash, from me. Guys in high-vis were workmen...

A316 has been average speed for a year and is well marked...

If you drive on the M3 south, and continues beyond M25 towards J3-4a - watch out - I think they've moved the camera....
 
We have quite a few sets of traffic lights around our area with cameras that will catch both speeding cars and those that jump a red light. If a set of lights doesn't have that many people driving through red lights or speeding through the junction, there is little point in putting the cameras there.
Yes especially if you want to make money from the offence rather than prevent a serious road accident. :)
 
And Rachel Burden on 5Live said that fines would be 150 times weekly income - that woke me up [emoji4]
Later she corrected it to 150% [emoji3]
:D

But my argument and others posting here is that these speed cameras are being justified as in the name of safety and are nothing to do with making money.
All drivers who travel at more than 70 miles per hour on the motorway (Bedfordshire stretch of the M1) face being fined under radical new proposals being considered.
Speed cameras would be switched on permanently across stretches of the motorway network catching everyone who exceeded the limit.
Motorists would then be forced to pay a £100 fine as well as having points added to their licence, or could opt instead to attend a speed awareness course, costing £90.
But rather than being used to improve road safety, the controversial plan is intended to raise millions of pounds in revenue for the police.
The “zero-tolerance” approach to motorway speeding is the brainchild of Bedfordshire Police and would be rolled out across a busy stretch of the M1, used by tens of thousands of cars each day.

Source

Mobile camera's one classic example here, there is a really nice hedge that occasionally someone, (dressed in black*)
hides behind and the car is parked a few hundred yards away, among a lot of other cars in
a public car park.
The best time to "spot" this is late winter, when the sun is low and shines directly under the sun blind.

And if static camera's are there to reduce speed why are a large proportion hidden?
Of the 3 local ones, one behind the largest (mini) roundabout sign you have ever seen, one under a strategically trimmed willow tree.

*It seems that police officers are not obliged to wear florescent when "working "road side"
 
Why does it matter whether speed cameras are intended to raise revenue? Would you prefer to pay more tax yourself? Or would you prefer for your public services to be subsidised by people who choose to exceed the speed limit?
 
Why does it matter whether speed cameras are intended to raise revenue?
I was just noting the fact that they are always called "safety cameras"
And as far as I'm aware the money goes to the government, not the police.
Unless things have changed.

Would you prefer to pay more tax yourself?
Gladly, I feel I don't pay enough to the government as it is.
 
Why does it matter whether speed cameras are intended to raise revenue? Would you prefer to pay more tax yourself? Or would you prefer for your public services to be subsidised by people who choose to exceed the speed limit?

Just be honest and tell us they are there to raise cash, but its the fact they are 'safety cameras' annoy me. There have been many areas where accidents have remained static or even increased when speed cameras were introduced.
 
but its the fact they are 'safety cameras' annoy me. There have been many areas where accidents have remained static or even increased when speed cameras were introduced.
And that's the point I've always made too.
The local ones are not in accident black spots but one a few yards inside a 30 from 60, ( that's the one hidden behind a larger than normal roundabout sign)
or when they reduced the speed on one particular straight bit of road from 40 to 30
The camera was there within a couple of days. ( that's the one behind the strategically trimmed willow.)

The third is in a 30, in plain view, on a straight bit of road, in "Town" and certainly couldn't be classed as an accident black spot.
 
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