New Nikon D5000 & AF-S DX NIKKOR 10-24mm Released

[AlexW]

Thinking aloud here - perhaps the whole model range will be re-positioned and this is the first one and will 'replace' it?

Next could be to drop the D40/60/90 range entirely and do a lower spec 1/2/3 or 4000 models. That gives the option of making more incremental upgrades - x100 then x200's for at least 9 bodies - more if they use the '10s' too! (I'd pick 'D2000' as the 'base spec' body giving at least 29 more bodies before they meet with a D5000 again!)

What I'm basiclly saying is, if this is a replacment for the D40/60 then why does it cost over twice as much? A price that puts it next to the D90, but with far fewer features.

 

[boyfalldown]

What I'm basiclly saying is, if this is a replacment for the D40/60 then why does it cost over twice as much? A price that puts it next to the D90, but with far fewer features.

yes - but this happened with th eos 1000 a few weeks ago. As soon as the body gets out in the real world the price will drop to its true level, not pre order prices

hugh

 

[Voyager]

What I'm basiclly saying is, if this is a replacment for the D40/60 then why does it cost over twice as much?

But I don't think it is the 'replacement' for the D40.

 

[AlexW]

yes - but this happened with th eos 1000 a few weeks ago. As soon as the body gets out in the real world the price will drop to its true level, not pre order prices

hugh

 

[retired]

I'd like a flip out screen on my D700.

I'm sure this would be useful for those togs that set their cams on "timed" and then raise it on their monopods for the "over the crowd" shots.
I wonder why they called it the D5000?

 

[lukewoodford]

I'm interested in a DX body that gives close ISO performance to the D700.

I think the best your going to get is a D90. I havn't used one but i'm sure it slightly beats the D300. Having got a D300 back though there is quite a bit difference between that and D700, I now appreciate me D700 so much more.

 

[F-Stop]

I think the best your going to get is a D90. I havn't used one but i'm sure it slightly beats the D300. Having got a D300 back though there is quite a bit difference between that and D700, I now appreciate me D700 so much more.

Yeah, DXOmark has the 90 edging the 300, but I'm seriously considering the D700 in the next year or so.

 

[F-Stop]

So you want about 5 MP then?

10.2 would suffice. lol. I wouldn't expect a DX sensor to get as close to the D700 as I would like, but better than the D90 would be nice. I would expect a D300 replacement to achieve this.

 

[whitey]

WHE are taking pre-orders for £719 body only, but with free 8gb card and a bag. £799 as above with an 18-55mm lens.

same as jessops

i would have one of those 10-24's, look like a nice lens

 

[HoppyUK]

My my, what a load of negative comments :shake: And it's not as if Nikon has been making big mistakes with their DSLRs lately. They must know something about it.

Look at the spec and not the RRP. The cost will settle between the current street prices for the D60 and D90, as you might expect from the spec, in a market slot where clearly Nikon thinks it is losing sales, or where it can make some more.

And the new 10-24mm lens is not a duplicate of the current 12-24mm at all. It's a bit wider and will be much cheaper. The street price will settle somewhere a little above Sigma and Tamron, as you would expect, but well below the current 12-24. A lot of folks want to stay on brand with their lenses, they don't want a Sigma/Tamron but they don't want to shell out £800 either.

I just wish Canon was as proactive towards market demand.

 

[Radiohead]

The current 12-24 is £699, or 785 Euros. RRP for the new lens is 849 Euros, or £760.

 

[boyfalldown]

The current 12-24 is £699, or 785 Euros. RRP for the new lens is 849 Euros, or £760.

but you've compared rrp to CBP prices, so not completly fair. The current 12-24 has an rrp of £899 so its hard to know exactlty bu on that basis we can expect the new lens to sell for around £560-£600

Cheers

Hugh

 

[Radiohead]

Which is kind of my point. That's not 'well below the current 12-24'.

When Nikon have such glaring holes in their lens line-up I really can't understand why releasing yet another UWA DX zoom is at the forefront. If the 12-24 is losing sales it's because it's overpriced - a 10-24 at £600 isn't going to remedy that.

 

[boyfalldown]

Which is kind of my point. That's not 'well below the current 12-24'.

When Nikon have such glaring holes in their lens line-up I really can't understand why releasing yet another UWA DX zoom is at the forefront. If the 12-24 is losing sales it's because it's overpriced - a 10-24 at £600 isn't going to remedy that.

couldn't agree more.There must be something we're not seeing with Nikons lens release plans though

Hugh

 

[StewartR]

Which is kind of my point. That's not 'well below the current 12-24'.

When Nikon have such glaring holes in their lens line-up I really can't understand why releasing yet another UWA DX zoom is at the forefront. If the 12-24 is losing sales it's because it's overpriced - a 10-24 at £600 isn't going to remedy that.

couldn't agree more.There must be something we're not seeing with Nikons lens release plans though

Hugh

But there can't be much we're not seeing, because they only have the capacity to release a handful of new designs every year. Which is why this is such a strange choice.

 

[Sigismund]

Perhaps Nikon is expecting Olympus' new E-620 to be a big seller and the D5000 is designed to deflect sales back to them - along with the Olympus E-30 aren't these the only DSLRs with fully articulated rear lcds?

 

[DSLR]

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikond5000/

 

[Voyager]

...they only have the capacity to release a handful of new designs every year. Which is why this is such a strange choice.

Perhaps the older one will be (or has been) dropped from production?

They might have a warehouse full of 12-24's unsold and this 10-24 has come on stream while others are still sitting unsold?

 

[boyfalldown]

But there can't be much we're not seeing, because they only have the capacity to release a handful of new designs every year. Which is why this is such a strange choice.

no - and I agree, but there must be some logic - who knows, maybe the SE asian market has a massive demand for 10mm lens - I've no real idea

 

[cowasaki]

£800 the RRP on the D300 is now £1600 or thereabouts, so the street price will probably be nearer that of the comparable Canon and Sony cameras. The lens makes perfect sense to me, if you look at all the 10-20s that Sigma sell.....

It makes perfect sense as you say, shame it isn't FX though. I really am trying to avoid buying any DX lenses because when I buy the D700's replacement I will have loads of lenses I cannot use fully

 

[Philx1979]

Well i wont be in a rush to get rid of my D40x. Takes awesome photos.

 

[redhed17]

I assume that the new lens is to compete with the Sigma 10-20mm. Yes, there may only have been 2mm difference at the widest end between the Sigma and the Nikon 12-24mm, but if you're getting a wide angle, you want as wide as you can. And with that added to the cheaper price of the Sigma, Nikon must must have been losing a lot of sales. A new lens meets the Sigma at the widest end, and gives a little bit more zoom range. Being a new lens allows for any new technology to be incorporated, lens design and coatings. Hopefully the higher price over the Sigma is reflected in the performance of the lens. With lenses, you do normally get what you pay for.

The price may be high now for the rrp, but as with the D5000, prices should come down lower after a few months. As long as exchange rates don't put paid to any future possible price drops.

There may be other gaps in the Nikon lens range (I don't know what they are :shrug: ) but maybe this lens was easier to design and produce, and gives the option of more revenue than a more 'exotic' lens.

 

[Voyager]

Look at the spec and not the RRP. The cost will settle between the current street prices for the D60 and D90, as you might expect from the spec, in a market slot where clearly Nikon thinks it is losing sales, or where it can make some more.

See dpreview

Nikon UK has revised the prices of the D90, so that the MSRPs of the models above and below the D5000 are now:
D60
• Body only: £ 399.99
• 18-55mm VR kit: £ 479.99
D5000
• Body only: £ 719.99
• 18-55mm VR kit: £ 799.99
D90
• Body only: £ 849.99
• 18-105mm VR kit: £ 1029.99

That seems to make more (marketing) sense.

 

[HoppyUK]

I assume that the new lens is to compete with the Sigma 10-20mm. Yes, there may only have been 2mm difference at the widest end between the Sigma and the Nikon 12-24mm, but if you're getting a wide angle, you want as wide as you can. And with that added to the cheaper price of the Sigma, Nikon must must have been losing a lot of sales. A new lens meets the Sigma at the widest end, and gives a little bit more zoom range. Being a new lens allows for any new technology to be incorporated, lens design and coatings. Hopefully the higher price over the Sigma is reflected in the performance of the lens. With lenses, you do normally get what you pay for.

The price may be high now for the rrp, but as with the D5000, prices should come down lower after a few months. As long as exchange rates don't put paid to any future possible price drops.

There may be other gaps in the Nikon lens range (I don't know what they are :shrug: ) but maybe this lens was easier to design and produce, and gives the option of more revenue than a more 'exotic' lens.

I think that's it. Nikon is in business to make money, and they happen to do that by selling cameras and lenses. It's that way round.

And there's more money to be made out of attracting newcomers from the mass market with crop format products, and locking them into the brand, than there is from selling a relative handful of high end lenses to full frame enthusiasts like us.

At the same time, Nikon has to make sure there are no gaps in their entry-level range that might loose them business to rival brands.

Edit: thank you Voyager!

 

[danbroad]

Actually, I'm quite pleased with the new lens announcement. Firstly, it's not just another 18-xxx 3.5-4.5, and with this extreme wide angle there's very few lenses that need either a fast or a constant aperture. I have little interest in buying it, but it seems Nikon is trying hard to please its DX consumers ATM - 50/35 primes, now a decent DX wide angle...

There are still gaps in the Nikkor lineup - USM/AFS converting the older lenses, decent mid-price standard FX zooms, nano-coating the big guns etc etc but this seems to be a decent product announcement which should divert interest from the Sigma 10-20 for a while.

 

[Voyager]

Some considered comments from Ken Rockwell on the D5000 here.

 

[kevin612]

Does anyone know when this camera will be release out in the UK?
As I want to get D90 next week.
Thanks

Kevin

 

[sammyd56]

Some considered comments from Ken Rockwell on the D5000 here.

Ken's site has been down all day. I guess he is deciding whether to laud it as the DSLR to end all DSLRs or slate it

 

[TriggerHappy]

I can understand the decision to produce a 10-24mm lens to compete with the sigma offering although sigma have just released a new version of there 10-20mm lens that has a constant f3.5 aperture (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?navigator=6) which will be a tempting offer for many people.
Hopefully they have a plan bigger than we can understand at this point in time!

 

[Voyager]

Ken's site has been down all day.

It's working for me

I guess he is deciding whether to laud it as the DSLR to end all DSLRs or slate it

Neither.

• The D90 doesn't cost much more than the D5000, and has a better LCD, even if it doesn't swivel. I'd go for the D90 more than I would the D5000. The D5000 seems more like an updated D40 at twice the price.
  
• If you're considering the D40, don't bother with the expense of the D5000.
  
• If you're considering the D90, the D5000 is pretty much the same thing, with no AF for lenses you probably don't own and a smaller screen, for less money than the D90. If you're looking at the D90, sure, get a D5000.

From here

 

[sammyd56]

Funny, I'm still just getting 'Waiting for kenrockwell.com...'

Thanks for the quote

 

[HoppyUK]

Ken is not talking to me either. It's not like him.

 

[mrgas]

is Kenrockwell a respected tog ? i often look on his site but cant help but wonder how unbiased etc he is

whats peoples views ?

 

[Voyager]

Thom Hogan says

D90 Gets a Mini-Me

While Nikon is touting this as a new camera positioned between the D60 and D90, this seems more like a refreshed D60 and an indication of the future of Nikon consumer DSLR naming (now with more numbers!) than anything else.

Which is kinda what I was thinking about yesterday

 

[Voyager]

i often look on his site but cant help but wonder how unbiased etc he is

Start here.

Why does it matter to you to know if he is 'unbiased'? Personally I don't think any one individual can be, but I think his site is a pretty useful resource.

 

[Martyn...]

Start here.

Why does it matter to you to know if he is 'unbiased'? Personally I don't think any one individual can be, but I think his site is a pretty useful resource.

I agree

I like Ken, I think his guides are useful however he can be fickle at times, and some of his comments should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[HoppyUK]

is Kenrockwell a respected tog ? i often look on his site but cant help but wonder how unbiased etc he is

whats peoples views ?

Ken Rockwell is quite notorious, loved and hated in almost equal measure, and I think feared by some manufacturers, particularly for his influence in the US.

I like him, though he does come out with some strange stuff sometimes, often apparently from nowhere! A man after my own heart then

I don't think he's biased in the sense that he's in the pay of anybody - he just uses the kit he does because he likes it.

Not everybody likes him becuase his opinions are sometimes a bit skewed, but whatever he says is always well argued and usually well illustrated too. He certainly knows his stuff

 

[specialman]

They might have a warehouse full of 12-24's unsold and this 10-24 has come on stream while others are still sitting unsold?

I can't image Nikon have been pumping out £800 lenses only to realise now, in the midddle of a credit crunch, that they've made too many. It's a pro-spec lens that will be made in limited numbers (much like the D3 will be made in specific numbers) because they know 'average' toggers won't be in a position to buy one.

The 10-24mm looks likea good prospect. Good focal range, decent aperture and above anything, Nikon build quality. They'll have obviously seen loads of people writing into magazines and on forums, extolling the virtues of the lacklustre (IMO) Sigma 10-20mm andd thought, "we can take back a market share through brand loyalty if we bring out a lens that has an equivalant (if better) aperture value AND longer zoom". The wide-angle zoom sector is obviously booming, judging by how many of us want this type of lens, and aside from the 10.5mm fisheye and the £800 12-24, Nikon is well out of the running until this new release.

 

[Graham00]

I don't want movie mode but it's got 11 focus points over my D60's 3 and 4fps over my 3fps.
from what i can see you're better off buying a D90.

 

[mrgas]

Start here.

Why does it matter to you to know if he is 'unbiased'? Personally I don't think any one individual can be, but I think his site is a pretty useful resource.

i know what you're saying but , if i wanted to choose between Nikon or Canon and found out he was employed by Nikon i wouldn't be asking him